: The folks here at MediaTakeOut.com are absolutely stunned. Yesterday Hillary Clinton appeared on FOX News where she was asked whether she felt that Barack Obama's inspirational message of change was important for the country.
But instead of attacking Sen Obama, the former first lady took a swing at one of the most important men in the history of the United States - Dr. Martin Luther King.
Listen to Hill minimize the importance of Dr. King's work:
Dr King’s dream began to be realized when President Lyndon Johnson passed the civil rights act of 1964… The power of that dream became real in people's lives because we had a president capable of action.It's officially a wrap for her campaign...
Belieive me... if MTO has anything to do with this, I KNOW it was taken out of context. I'd rather hear the ENTIRE interview before I draw my conclusions. Why in hell would Hilary say (or mean) anything so reckless so close to the elections and with Obama leading... it doesn't add up. Not to mention, it seems to me (from that tiny text that MTO decided to post) that her point was more towards President Johnson and his term, than trying to attack MLK.
Don't get me wrong, I am a true blue Obama supporter ;) but fair is fair and I think MTO took her comments way out of context and out of proportion.
Please tell me you guys are not that ignorant to take that comment out of conyext and run with it like that. And all you co-signers should be ashamed of yourselves. That woman in no way minimized Dr. King in that statement. MLK himself admits it was just a dream. But a president who shared the vision to some extent helped make the dream a reality. That's all she said. Grow up. Listen up. Smarten up.
I saw the comments when she said it. Is she effing stupid????
Dr King worked to realize his dream. And to basically say the president made it happen is a slap in the face to every black person who was killed, had dogs sicked on them, and resisted fire hoses. I hope those house nukkas who are backing Hillary come to their senses and realize that his woman will stoop to the lowest levels just to score political points.
Holla Black
I just lost MAD respect for her. How dare she say some s/h/i/t like that? He did alot and if that damn James Earl Ray (the man that assassinated him, for ya'll who didn't know) hadn't killed him so early in his quest to make his dream a reality, more would have been done. She had alot of the black community on her side because of her husband, but now when this s/h/i/t hits the fan, she's gonna lose a TON of support, cause ain't nobody else really checking for her to become president.
not_1_2_hate Flag post Please tell me you guys are not that ignorant to take that comment out of conyext and run with it like that. And all you co-signers should be ashamed of yourselves. That woman in no way minimized Dr. King in that statement. MLK himself admits it was just a dream. But a president who shared the vision to some extent helped make the dream a reality. That's all she said. Grow up. Listen up. Smarten up.
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sometimes i'm wondering what we are teaching our kids in the public school system. honestly do most of us here know who LBJ was.
When a person is losing the most important race in their minds and the history of "America." It only seems right and befitting to them to degrade and subtract from one of the most important and influential persons in the history of African-American history. And, as much as it would be a wondrous event to witness a WOMAN, no matter what her race is win the presedency election. I have an obligation and duty as a person of COLOR first and then a WOMAN to vote the best person in office. *Note*--to all of you that are elegible to vote, please do so and do so with wisdom.
God, with every insult that i see being thrown at her i am really feeling embarrased to be a black person [sigh]. i'm willing to bet there are a room full of white folk snickering their azz off right now.
Those who are unable to put it into a historic context continue to insult her. I'm sure you are giving someone a real good chuckle. I can hear them now, "what silly negros" [sigh].
Hillary is now showing her weakness when this is when she is to be so strong. Obama is ahead right now so she is gonna do what white folks do best, try to bring his intelligence down by saying a comment like this. If it was not for Martin Luther King and others fighting for the equal of people not just blacks. And if it was not for Dr. King being the man he was where would we be. But I bet you Hillary and Bill used the civil rights era in Bills campaign if we were to back-track everything the bithch said to win the black vote, on her campaign.
OBAMA not because he's Black but Because he's Right!!
Patricia Flag post I have no problem with Hillary's words. MLK had inspiring words, but LBJ had the political muscle to push through the legislation. Check your history books people. It was 1964 and MLK didn't have clout on Capitol Hill. ---
when you hear the other comments does it make you feel embarrased to be black?
MLK gave this speech in 1963 and to this day all it's still a dream in certain parts of the United States. We (people of color) have come far but don't get too happy 'cause it's NOWHERE far enough. One other thing, get out and VOTE! but know what he stands for instead of "its TIME for a black president".
She didn't take anything away from Dr. King, Jr. She just said that there was a president in place that allowed some of the dream to take place. Therefore she is saying that a president has to be in place now to keep it going. Where did ya'll get your degree MTO! MTO stop trying to get people hating Hilary!
Yeah, it does embarrass me. Hillary spoke in context of the times. She in no way minimized Martin Luther King. All she stated was that Lyndon Johnson pushed the Civil Rights Legislation through. A black man in 1964 America had no power on Capitol Hill.
And for those who are all in Obama's ass right now, exactly what has Obama said in those speeches. The man can deliver a speech, but when you stop and actually think, he didn't say much. H
Since MLK was brought up, here's his speech:
I am happy to join with you today in what will go down in history as the greatest demonstration for freedom in the history of our nation. Five score years ago, a great American, in whose symbolic shadow we stand today, signed the Emancipation Proclamation. This momentous decree came as a great beacon light of hope to millions of Negro slaves who had been seared in the flames of withering injustice. It came as a joyous daybreak to end the long night of captivity. But one hundred years later, the Negro still is not free. One hundred years later, the life of the Negro is still sadly crippled by the manacles of segregation and the chains of discrimination. One hundred years later, the Negro lives on a lonely island of poverty in the midst of a vast ocean of material prosperity. One hundred years later, the Negro is still languished in the corners of American society and finds himself in exile in his own land. So we have come here today to dramatize an shameful condition. In a sense we've come to our nation's Capital to cash a check. When the architects of our republic wrote the magnificent words of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, they were signing a promissory note to which every American was to fall heir. This note was a promise that all men, yes, black men as well as white men, would be guaranteed the unalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. It is obvious today that America has defaulted on this promissory note insofar as her citizens of color are concerned. Instead of honoring this sacred obligation, America has given the Negro people a bad check; a check which has come back marked "insufficient funds." But we refuse to believe that the bank of justice is bankrupt. We refuse to believe that there are insufficient funds in the great vaults of opportunity of this nation. So we have come to cash this check- a check that will give us upon demand the riches of freedom and the security of justice. We have also come to this hallowed spot to remind America of the fierce urgency of now. This is no time to engage in the luxury of cooling off or to take the tranquilizing drug of gradualism. Now is the time to make real the promises of democracy. Now is the time to rise from the dark and desolate valley of segregation to the sunlit path of racial justice. Now is the time to lift our nation from the quicksands of racial injustice to the solid rock of brotherhood. Now is the time to make justice a reality for all of God's children. It would be fatal for the nation to overlook the urgency of the moment. This sweltering summer of the Negro's legitimate discontent will not pass until there is an invigorating autumn of freedom and equality. Nineteen sixty-three is not an end, but a beginning. Those who hope that the Negro needed to blow off steam and will now be content will have a rude awakening if the nation returns to business as usual. There will be neither rest nor tranquility in America until the Negro is granted his citizenship rights. The whirlwinds of revolt will continue to shake the foundations of our nation until the bright day of justice emerges. But there is something that I must say to my people who stand on the warm threshold which leads into the palace of justice. In the process of gaining our rightful place we must not be guilty of wrongful deeds. Let us not seek to satisfy our thirst for freedom by drinking from the cup of bitterness and hatred. We must forever conduct our struggle on the high plane of dignity and discipline. We must not allow our creative protest to degenerate into physical violence. Again and again we must rise to the majestic heights of meeting physical force with soul force. The marvelous new militancy which has engulfed the Negro community must not lead us to a distrust of all white people, for many of our white brothers, as evidenced by their presence here today, have come to realize that their destiny is tied up with our destiny. And they have come to realize that their freedom is inextricably bound to our freedom. We cannot walk alone. And as we walk, we must make the pledge that we shall march ahead. We cannot turn back. There are those who are asking the devotees of civil rights, "When will you be satisfied?" We can never be satisfied as long as the Negro is the victim of the unspeakable horrors of police brutality. We can never be satisfied as long as our bodies, heavy with the fatigue of travel, cannot gain lodging in the motels of the highways and the hotels of the cities. We cannot be satisfied as long as the Negro's basic mobility is from a smaller ghetto to a larger one. We can never be satisfied as long as our chlidren are stripped of their selfhood and robbed of their dignity by signs stating "for whites only." We cannot be satisfied as long as a Negro in Mississippi cannot vote and a Negro in New York believes he has nothing for which to vote. No, no, we are not satisfied, and we will not be satisfied until justice rolls down like waters and righteousness like a mighty stream. I am not unmindful that some of you have come here out of great trials and tribulations. Some of you have come fresh from narrow jail cells. Some of you have come from areas where your quest for freedom left you battered by the storms of persecution and staggered by the winds of police brutality. You have been the veterans of creative suffering. Continue to work with the faith that unearned suffering is redemptive. Go back to Mississippi, go back to Alabama, go back to South Carolina, go back to Georgia, go back to Louisiana, go back to the slums and ghettos of our northern cities, knowing that somehow this situation can and will be changed. Let us not wallow in the valley of despair. I say to you today, my friends, so even though we face the difficulties of today and tomorrow, I still have a dream. It is a dream deeply rooted in the American dream. I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident; that all men are created equal." I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slave owners will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood. I have a dream that one day even the state of Mississippi, a state sweltering with the heat of injustice, sweltering with the heat of oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice. I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. I have a dream today. I have a dream that one day down in Alabama, with its vicious racists, with its governor having his lips dripping with the words of interposition and nullification, that one day right down in Alabama little black boys and black girls will be able to join hands with little white boys and white girls as sisters and brothers. I have a dream today. I have a dream that one day every valley shall be exhalted, every hill and mountain shall be made low, the rough places will be made plain, and the crooked places will be made straight, and the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together. This is our hope. This is the faith that I will go back to the South with. With this faith we will be able to hew out of the mountain of despair a stone of hope. With this faith we will be able to transform the jangling discords of our nation into a beautiful symphony of brotherhood. With this faith we will be able to work together, to pray together, to struggle together, to go to jail together, to stand up for freedom together, knowing that we will be free one day. This will be the day when all of God's children will be able to sing with new meaning, "My country 'tis of thee, sweet land of liberty, of thee I sing. Land where my fathers died, land of the Pilgrims' pride, from every mountainside, let freedom ring." And if America is to be a great nation, this must become true. So let freedom ring from the prodigious hilltops of New Hampshire. Let freedom ring from the mighty mountains of New York. Let freedom ring from the heightening Alleghenies of Pennsylvania. Let freedom ring from the snow-capped Rockies of Colorado. Let freedom ring from the curvaceous slopes of California. But not only that; let freedom ring from the Stone Mountain of Georgia. Let freedom ring from Lookout Mountain of Tennessee. Let freedom ring from every hill and molehill of Mississippi. From every mountainside, let freedom ring. And when this happens, and when we allow freedom ring, when we let it ring from every village and every hamlet, from every state and every city, we will be able to speed up that day when all of God's children, black men and white men, Jews and gentiles, Protestants and Catholics, will be able to join hands and sing in the words of the old Negro spiritual, "Free at last! Free at last! Thank God Almighty, we are free at last!"
Motivation and action takes place because of a persons hopes and dreams...I will not take what Hillary said to be an insult but I will say that her statement is more of a reason why we should have a president like Barack Obama who has hopes and dreams and with the title of president can makes those hopes and dreams a reality. We will no longer have to look to 'others' to make our dreams come true...
Cat4everrr...i know your questions wasn't to me but I would NEVER be embarrassed to be black...what embarrasses me is when I hear other blacks say they are embarrassed to be black and care about what the whites in the other room is thinking about us...whites have ignorant people also but rarely do i hear them say they are embarrassed to be white...
I agree with you Patricia, Hillary in no way was taking away from MLK. Reading some of these comments from people on here is sickening. MLK had a dream a GREAT on...LBJ realized that and made MLK's dream a reality...think about it, Hillary is saying she can one day be the power that LBJ had to make DREAMS that benefit all us a reality. D@MN people, think before you type! Our problem as a society is that we NEVER analyze things, we just always react, thats gonna always hold us back!
gemini615 Cat4everrr...i know your questions wasn't to me but I would NEVER be embarrassed to be black...what embarrasses me is when I hear other blacks say they are embarrassed to be black and care about what the whites in the other room is thinking about us...whites have ignorant people also but rarely do i hear them say they are embarrassed to be white...
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i'm embarrassed because it's becoming glaringly obvious that their are a good number of us on this website who are unaware of thier history. to top that off, you know as well as i do that thre are white folk right now who are ROTF because of it. IT MAKES US LOOK STUPID
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MTO is taking Hillary’s statement out of context I may vote for her because I agree with her stance on affirmative action and what she will do to preserve Dr. Kings dream while she is president.
Pls read the links above. I donated to Obama's campaign before these news stories broke that he is not a proponent of race based affirmative action and now I am not so sure that I can still support him. Because due to racism that still exists in this country affirmative action is still needed to help blacks gain employment and equal access to education. We can not allow our affirmative action programs to include poor whites as Obama appears to be considering. Our forefathers fought and died during the civil rights movement for equal access to jobs, that affirmative action is supposed to help enforce and we can not loose these gains, due to the lack of support of our "own" (Obama) politicians. I am not sure why Obama does not appear to have the same concern as many African Americans do regarding the need to safe guard the few gains that we have received due to affirmative action. Can it be that he is out of touch with the Afro- American community because of his upbringing (raised by white family) or privileged life or not being a descendent of slaves? Because of this reason and others I may vote for Clinton, although she is white she agrees with maintaining race based affirmative action, from what I have read. Black Dr.s and Lawyers couldn’t even get a decent job before the civil rights movement and affirmative action. Many black Dr.s , lawyers and professionals were porters on trains, due to racism. Many of our people could not feed their families. This racism still exists; many Afro- Americans would not be hired today, even though they are the best candidate for the job if it were not for corporation’s affirmative action initiatives. Whites tend to hire whites even unqualified whites.
Would you vote for Clarence Thomas or anyone who you think may sell you out just because they are black?
Pls read this link [link to external website removed] An excerpt is below we can not allow white racists to use Obama against us to end race based affirmative action. As African Americans we need our jobs and our small businesses, whites usually hire even unqualified whites and white corporations tend to purchase their goods from white businesses owners. Race based affirmative action is still needed.
The End of Affirmative Action--First Alterman, Now Obama? Even Barack Obama, under pressure from George Stephanopoulos, seemed to be abandoning the affirmative action idea and shifting toward embracing a class-based preference system, notes Roger Clegg. ... This is more than a potential 'Sister Souljah moment' for Obama. Obama would not be showing that he can reject the more extreme, wacky positions of his party's component interest groups. He'd be showing he's rejecting what has been a central and widely accepted demand of an interest group with which he is inevitably identified. He's not quite there yet--and maybe he'll have to backtrack after his ABC This Week comments--but he's at least on the verge of giving voters not merely a reason to not oppose him, but a big reason to support him--the prospect that President Obama will end race preferences and the long, divisive debate they generate. Hillary cannot make that promise. Her husband famously balked at making exactly the shift--from race to class--that Obama seemed to endorse. And even if Hillary made that leap, she couldn't shift African-American opinion away from race preferences the way a black president could shift African-American opinion. She can't put the issue to rest. Obama can. ... P.S.: I blame Jennifer Gratz. Michigan's stunning 2006 anti-preference vote is still resonating. Pols paid attention even if the press didn't. ...
MTO- What if Barack doesn't get the nomination and Hilary does? Who will you vote for? I am so tired of us black people thinking we should vote for Barack just because he is black. Do you guys even listen to the debates? Is he truly the best candidate? Well I for one will be voting for Hilary and I know lots of people here in Dallas Texas will be voting for her too... Is her campaign a wrap?
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Without a vision the people perish. I have not heard the interview but even if the wording is verbatim, she should have stated it another way. If Dr. King had not polarized the Black population of America and helped us realize that we truly have a voice then President Johnson would not have had a reason to pass any legislation to try to bring about change. I believe that change was inevitable. If you have never had the opportunity, I encourage you to make a trip to Memphis to visit the Civil Rights Museum. It will really motivate and inspire you to raise your social consciencness. To look at the hotel room where Dr. King last stayed, the balcony where he was shot and the window where he was shot from as well as other remnents and artifacts of the Civil Rights movement. It is truly amazing.
@ cat4everrr
I think what looks and sounds stupid is hearing a black person say that they care about what whites think of them...i've always hated comments like that and I still do...i could care less about what white people think of our race. Yes I would like for ignorant people to gain knowledge about their history but I want those that don't know to become aware for only that reason and NOT because we are an embarrassment and the other races are laughing at us. F/uck them...be smart to be smart and to know your history. Read up and learn to better yourself not for white people and because you care about what they think of us...that is my only point.
the fact is, Hillary is discrediting the efforts that MLK brought forth. MLK was a strong leader and if it wasn't for his voice, the president may have brushed it off. Inequality had been going on a long time before leaders like MLK came forth. I think that she should have reworded that because it does look like MLK did nothing but dream, like MTO has in its title.
What hillary is trying to say is not nice! She is trying to say that " Blacks" can talk and dream as much as they want to, but only "whites" can make their dreams come through by favor. Hillary, don't you ever make comments like that again! and a matter of fact, Obama can do it. I am not races and sure is not Obama. But quit making races comments like that when your campainging. Maybe you wanna turn that quote you made around.
What Lyndon Baines Johnson did was courageous--Politically. He knew that by signing the legislation he signed that he was handing the south to the republicans on a silver platter. It takes political courage to do that. But thats his job, to protect all Americans even if its not politically popular. Thats why we celebrate Martin Luther Kings birthday instead of Lyndon Johnson's. The works of Martin Luther King and others made the president act.
Like I said, I SAW and HEARD what she said, she said it in a way to connect Martin Luther King dreaming with Barack Obama hoping and that someone who is great at hoping and dreaming is short on action.
Holla Black!!!
@ gemini615
SPEAK FOR YOURSELF. I'M GETTING TIRED OF SOME OF THESE IGNORANT FOLKS. THESE ARE THE SAME FOLK WHO ARE ON THIS SITE BAD MOUTHING JESSE JACKSON, A MAN WHO HAS HAD BRICKS THROWN AT HIS HEAD, A MAN WHO HAD DOGS BITING ON HIM, A MAN WHO HAS HAD HIS FAMILY THREATENED. AND WHY DO THEY DO IT? I'LL TELL YOU WHY- BECAUSE FOXNEWS TOLD THEM TO THINK THAT WAY. TAKE THIS THREAD FOR EXAMPLE, HOW EASY WAS IT FOR MTO TO SWAY SOME OF THESE PEOPLE WHEN THE FACTS LAY BEAR FOR ALL TO SEE IN OUR HISTORY BOOKS AND THEY FELL FOR IT HOOK LINE AND SINKER. I'M SICK OF IT AND YES IT IS EMBARRASING. IF NOTHING ELSE LEARN YOUR HISTORY OUT OF RESPECT FOR THOSE WHO GAVE THEIR LIFE SO WE COULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE.........SHEEES[SPAM]H
IF THIS SOUNDS NEGATIVE THEN I APOLOGIZE BUT IT IS EXTREMELY DISHEARTNING TO ME. WHAT IN THE HECK DID THE CIVIL RIGHTS ACTIVIST GIVE SO MUCH FOR WHEN OUR SPOILED GENERATION DOES NOTHING MORE THAN TAKE IT FOR GRANTED
WOW...sometimes i forget how judgemental people can be, first Hillary is to hardcore and people doesn't think she has a heart, NOW...she got a little teary eyed when talking to the people...NOW people saying she is weak...D@MN what da F*CK does she have to do. She got emotional because she was speaking of all the oppurtunities this country has brought to her...and FYI BILL CLINTON has said on several occasions...even when he was president, that Hillary gave him great insight and ideas when he was president. And I would hope the highly educated people on here are throughly doing thier research before they past judgement, set an example for some of these fools on here on run this MTO gossip, its an entertainment site, yeah its funny, but don't take this BS at face value.
Overall...Hillary cannot be president...She's too damn emotional...I was watching a video of her yesterday, someone asked her a question about God knows what(something about healthcare). ..and she breaks down and damn near cries in the middle of her answer.. The other candidates (male) were looking at her like, "Damn, are you on your period again today..?" I'm a female and I'm down with the "power to women" thing and all that, but this chick is NOT "doing the damn thing...".. The fate of the US should not be left in her hands...she might feel to emotional one day and hit that red button and BAM! it's all over....
I'm sorry my black people but the saying goes if you want to keep something from a [EXPLETIVE] hide it in a book. but in this case people we read but did not comprehend what was stated. its clear that clinton feels the "Dream" was not brought to life until the powers that be made it possible. it has nothing to do with the legacy and hard work of Dr. King. Its true. hell its on paper. my people we need to really stop letting the media dictate our every thought and feeling. i'm sure some have read and paid it no mind and some just read the title and couldn't wait to find something to bring light towards Obama. but lets be real for one moment. the speech was clear as the day he spoke it on. "I Have A Dream"...Idea, thought, Plan.......did he have power to make this happen at that time? Hell No and (sorry for this statement) thats why was taken from us. but one of the leaders odf this country felt what was started in that dream needed to be brought to reality, which brings the civil rights act of 1964. damn! MTO thank you for placing a mirror towards our blindness and your lack of journalism. we all should be one. don't trust no ones info but your own.
@ cat4everrr
I can only speak for myself...
Also...your last comment said nothing about whites and what they think of us...you could have made this statement from the beginning because I agree with what you are saying MINUS your caring so much about white people's perception of us.
You want to talk about ignorance...i believe ignorance is also when people CARE about what white people think of them and their race. White's don't care about what we think of them...why should we?
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IT'S REAL FUNNY NOW. HAHAHA BUT DID YOU KNOW THAT YOU RIGHT TO VOTE IS NOT NECESSARILY GAUREENTEED ON THE CONSTITUTION AND IT COMES UP FOR A VOTE EVER FEW YEARS. LETS SEE HOW FUNNY CRAP IS IF IT SHOULD COME TO PASS THAT SOME DAY YOU LOSE YOUR RIGHT TO VOTE. AND WITH SOME OF THE IGNORANCE THAT I SEE GOING ON HERE IT'S QUITE POSSIBLE
And I'm tired of black people not voting for Obama because he is black. You have less faith in his ability despite his stellar background and many years as a CIVIL RIGHTS attorney. What the hell is wrong with you people? You have so internalized the hatred for black people and the questioning of blacks' ability that you have extended that in this campaign. Despite that, there are people who believe that Obama is better--namely, white America. They are voting for him more than you dummies. You will continue to be racially profiled, harassed, go to subpar schools, yet not vote for a candidate who expressly intends on changing that. You are real dummies.
The Civil rights movement is no different in actions from the freeing of the slaves. You may have a president that passes a bill, but please believe me that it was never initiated by that presedents moral actions, but because of a movement. Lydon Johnson may be same time of president as Abraham Lincoln. Do you think that Lincoln would ever have pushed to free the slaves if he did not see the vision, this in no way credits him as anti slavery, but simply as a man with foresite set on delivering on the demands of the nation. To credit Lyndon and discredit Martin Luther King Jr, is the same as saying that researcher is less influential than the presenter. Hiliary falls into the same complex that white America has been trapped in, which being able to see beyond their own ego. If MLK jr. had never established this united front and garnered the respect of the nation, there would never be a movement for Lyndon to sign off on; cause God knows he would never have the balls or even for that matter the sense of urgency to create such a movement. MLK Jr. has done what 95% of our population will not do, stand up to a bully, with a non-violent approach.
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I can not believe people are so gullible now a days. When will everyone stop believing what someone else say and seek the truth for your self? Although I am for Obama, H. Clinton was in no way was speaking down or saying that Dr. King was not fruitful. MLK knew that his hopes could only come alive if someone who had more power than he did push his hopes, which was the President of our country at the time, to make changes. In essence, minorities (people of color) need the help of the majority for us to have equality. If you look at H.Clinton’s track record and what she has voted on in the past as a Senator you all would know that her words were taken out of content only for MTO to have ANOTHER bogus story as they sometimes do. People please start reading and comprehending for yourself and stop having someone else paint a picture for you.
This is the entire quote on Hillary:
In an interview with Fox News Political Correspondent Major Garrett — the second in as many days — Clinton also took issue with Barack Obama’s dismissal of her claim that he represents “false hope;” Obama says that argument is like Martin Luther King standing at the Lincoln Memorial in Washington and saying “sorry guys, false hope. The dream will die.”
Clinton said “Dr King’s dream began to be realized when President Lyndon Johnson passed the civil rights act of 1964… That dream became a reality, the power of that dream became real in people’s lives because we had a president who said ‘we’re going to do it,’ and actually got it done.”
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I think Hillary is falling apart because Obama is kicking her butt big time. She thought she would have an easy ride being the wife of "SLICK BILL" but then here come my man Obama with the energy and the drive and speaking power of Dr.King himself. I think Obama will be the Dem. choice and I'm wishing him the best!!
To all you dummies defending this broad: MLK did a lot more than make some dumb speech about a f'in dream. If YOU knew about history you would know that Lyndon Johnson could not pass the act because 1) Congress makes the laws. He merely did not veto it. Besides, there was overwhelming pressure to create the laws because of civil unrest (not to mention communism) that MLK and others exploited. FYI, MLK did have a plan, and if you did the miniscule research involved with googling said plan, you'd free yourself from believing that whitey was there to save the Negro. By the way, A-Rapper you're an idiot.
I SAW HER ON THE NEWS WHEN SHE MADE THE STATEMENT, IT WAS NOT SO MUCH WHAT SHE SAID, BUT HOW HER TONE JUST DISMISSED THE ACTIONS, LIFE AND DREAM OF MLK
THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING OF HER SHOWING HER TRUE COLORS TOWARD BLACKS
FIRST SHE STARTS CRYING, THEN DOWNING MLK... I WANT BE SURPRISE IF SHE USING THE N WORD BEFORE IT'S ALL OVER
That's bullsh*t MTO. I hate racists. Don't blindly support Obama because he's black. Don't cut down Hillary Clinton, a woman who supported the president (Bill Clinton) that has more for black people than any other president. When the time comes to cast your vote, I hope that you vote for the best viable candidate republican or democrat, Obama or Clinton...
Annie Flag post To all you dummies defending this broad: MLK did a lot more than make some dumb speech about a f'in dream. If YOU knew about history you would know that Lyndon Johnson could not pass the act because 1) Congress makes the laws. He merely did not veto it. Besides, there was overwhelming pressure to create the laws because of civil unrest (not to mention communism) that MLK and others exploited. FYI, MLK did have a plan, and if you did the miniscule research involved with googling said plan, you'd free yourself from believing that whitey was there to save the Negro. By the way, A-Rapper you're an idiot.
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WHATTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF A PERSON THAT IS UNAWARE OF THEIR HISTORY. DID YOU KNOW THAT LBJ WAS CONSIDERED A KINGMAKER AT THAT TIME BECAUSE HE COULD TWIST JUST ABOUT ANYONE'S ARMS IN THE SENATE DUE TO THE RELATIONSHIPS HE HAD FORMED WHILE SERVING HIMSELF. FOR GOD'S SAKE LISTEN TO THE MAN IN ACTION FOR YOURSELF. GO TO CSPAN AND LISTEN TO THE LBJ TAPES ITS FREEEEEEEE! ANOTHER OPTION IS TO GO TO LBJ'S OFFICIAL WEBSITE, THEY CARRY SOME OF THE TAPES OR YOU CAN ORDER THEM
LMAO at MTO when they said "Its officially a wrap for her campaign" Thats some funny [EXPLETIVE]. Oh yeah and SREW HER! That bitch aint gonna win anyway! We need a BLACK PRESIDENT! Thats what we need. Or better yet... A BLACK FEMALE PRESIDENT! Anyway I dont care as long as the next president is black. We need to prove to some people that NOT ONLY WHITE people can be leaders.. Blacks can too. As a matter of fact.. any race can. Black, Indian, Spanish.. ANYONE. Not just white people.
@cat4everrr 'Ladybird' was President Lyndon Johnson's wife.
I agree with what you are saying.
How to make a 'Dream' a reality?
Take the first step by passionately voicing your 'Dream' to those around you. Then enlist people who can help you make 'The Dream'come true.
We need 'People' to help us bring our Visions and Goals to Life. We cannot do it ALL on our own. There is no shame in this!!! This is how you get things DONE!!!
It takes a very insightful, intelligent and courageous person be able to pull ALL TYPES OF PEOPLE TOGETHER and make their 'Dreams' happen.
This is what MLK did!!! This was the type of person MLK was!!! We should all be more like him!!!!
Annie, you only have one point and that's about Congress, still (whitey was in congress). Dr. King had a plan yes, however, he knew he needed the help of the majority. Even when slaves where freed it was the help of whites who felt slavery was wrong. Everyone needs the help of someone, no one can change the world alone.
"The Broken Silence" Just to answer your comments.
Voting for someone that is half black is not racist. That's a common act that happens in society. There is nothing morally wrong with it. It's referred to voting for someone who understands your plights, struggles and dreams. The racist act would be not voting for someone because they are white. (which is also arguable) Secondly, I wouldn't count out Obama yet.
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Why exactly is Obama stating that he has hopes of change? Because he feels that if he were in power he can bring about that change...why must we always look to others to bring about change for us?
Does anyone know the qualities of a good and effective leader? A leader must be charismatic, a good communicator, a person with a vision, a person that can motivate others through positive vs. negative tactics, a person that can delegate, a person that assists others in becoming more then they thought was even possible. A good leader soes not dictate but inspires. A person that can motivate his/her followers to act. I really think Barack Obama has those qualities and that in itself is a change from most of the presidents of the past...
Another question...what is the point of having those qualities if you don't even try to use them? Some people say Obama is not ready, we are not ready for a black president...well i'm ready for a president with qualities like Obama...no matter what his skin color is...it just so happens he is black which to me is a PLUS...and from what I hear he does have hopes and he does have dreams and instead of him waiting for another president to realize those hopes and dreams he believes he has the ability to bring it...i believe it too
@cat4everrr I respect your allegiance to Hillary and enjoyed our discussion the other day but surely she's becoming more detached from reality more desperate by the hour and more vicious as the nomination begins to slip through her clutches. What she said was in a nasty spirit, a very bad humour and was meant to be insulting. MLK's dream was something larger than legislation, it was about America rising to its consitutional creed that "All men are created Equal."
Hillary should know that...she should know better.
She is a bitch, I really hate her now. First of all, Barack was not comapring himself to MLK. He was talking about the comment that she made at the debate about "false hopes." He was saying that we dont need a leader telling us what we CAN'T do, we need a leader that will tell us what we CAN do. Second she has completely disrespected the work of MLK and the poeple that fought for civil rights. She is basically saying that a "dream" BEGINS OR ENDS WITH A PRESIDENT. She a complete idot and is not acknowleging the power of words and motivation. Anyway, here's the quote.
This is the entire quote on Hillary:
In an interview with Fox News Political Correspondent Major Garrett — the second in as many days — Clinton also took issue with Barack Obama’s dismissal of her claim that he represents “false hope;” Obama says that argument is like Martin Luther King standing at the Lincoln Memorial in Washington and saying “sorry guys, false hope. The dream will die.”
Clinton said “Dr King’s dream began to be realized when President Lyndon Johnson passed the civil rights act of 1964… That dream became a reality, the power of that dream became real in people’s lives because we had a president who said ‘we’re going to do it,’ and actually got it done.”
you can also find it at this link: [link to external website removed]
email2michael Flag post @cat4everrr I respect your allegiance to Hillary and enjoyed our discussion the other day but surely she's becoming more detached from reality more desperate by the hour and more vicious as the nomination begins to slip through her clutches.
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THAT, i can agree with. her tearing up was less than presidential. my problem is with mto distorting her statement. she is already in crash and burn mode, there is no need to make things up. and to add insult to injury they lead the not-so-informed down to the river. i just can't understand it.
Of course, MLK needed Congress to pass the law. He is not the law-making body in the nation. Duh. However, Congress only passes the law if there is public pressure to do so. To undermine, the people who lost their lives in the struggle and deify the politician who cowered to political pressure is a sham. I think it is important to understand that if you demand change, it will come. It did not come because the Johnson et. al were so generous; blacks demanded it. Furthermore, many would say but for the Cold War, there would be no civil rights act of 1964. Congress passed the law partially due to the international outrage over the poor treatment of blacks, as the U.S. condemned the lack of freedom in communism. MLK was fully aware of this, and some of his writing touch upon this.
Clinton demeans the struggle of those like MLK to put the politician on the pedestal. It was unnecessary. All the people on here saying that the statement is out of conetxt should do their own research. More importantly, the law was pretty pointless without the litigation that BLACK civil rights attorneys engaged. Litigation has been substantially more significant in our everyday lives than that law. Research MLK and teh civil rigths movement, and listen to Clinton's statements. For once, MTO is right on the money.
@crysmarie, I hope everyone reads THIS! Hillary is only saying that if you have a DREAM, she'll listen...SHE can make that DREAM happen, if it's dealing with the LAW or POLITICAL issues. A DREAM is onething, but you HAVE to have people with the POWER to make it happen. WAKE UP people, I HATE to say this, but how many people making these comments have college education at least, or for that matter an advance degree. I just had to say it, some of the people on here sound so ignorant and close minded that its terrible!
Damm....I hate her!
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Annie Flag post Of course, MLK needed Congress to pass the law. He is not the law-making body in the nation. Duh. However, Congress only passes the law if there is public pressure to do so. To undermine, the people who lost their lives in the struggle and deify the politician who cowered to political pressure is a sham. I think it is important to understand that if you demand change, it will come. It did not come because the Johnson et. al were so generous; blacks demanded it. Furthermore, many would say but for the Cold War, there would be no civil rights act of 1964. Congress passed the law partially due to the international outrage over the poor treatment of blacks, as the U.S. condemned the lack of freedom in communism. MLK was fully aware of this, and some of his writing touch upon this.
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i'm gonna say this to you one last time and one last time only. there is a reason why LBJ was called the "Master of the Senate". ALL of the rules that normally apply are not applicable in this case which underscores the importance of having the capability of putting it into a historical context. i'm going to beg you at this point, can you please pick up a book or listen to the audio. it is fascinating to listen to the way the man so easily strong arms nearly everyone and he does it with the sort of southern charm. read
Diddy, change that to Dummy. Presidents cannot/do not/ will not pass laws. Congress passes laws; it is in the Constitution, dummy. By the by, the Brown decision, a case argued by black lawyers, is substantially more significant than that act. At least you appreciate that Clinton's comments were negative.
muscleman19
I see that education is your focus. How can you begin to question anyones intellectual capacity, when you present yourself as the opposite. If you want to present intellectual arguements and be taken serious then you really need to change your signature. You don't even show your head, which means that there is nothing of value there to present, so you have mirrored yourself as a dumb jock. Think about that
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cat4everrr,
Read the Constitution. Read Brown v. Board of Ed. Read Sweatt v. Painter. Read Conley v. Gibson. Then, tell me that one president made that one law relevant and put it into action.
Johnson worked with CIVIL RIGHTS ADVOCATES to get Congress to pass the law. That is the mechanics of legislation, dummy. Johnson did not lose his life for it or stand on the frontline.
Annie
presidents can write laws
executive orders. Since the 70s the president has been granted increased powers. signing statements as well.
crysmarie
with all due respect, having a BA in marketing doest prove you are educated.
Having a masters or a doctorate doesnt mean you are educated. There are plenty of ignorant people who cant think critically, dont know history among other things. That have degress
I'm gonna say what I said again. People examine the facts and put it into context. Obama is 50% foreign. He is 50% african and 50% white american. Earlier in his life, he went to school overseas. The latter years were spent with his white grandparents. If elected, he wants to have a republican cabinet. He also is not for affirmative action, he feels it's no longer needed. Take the focus off of his color and realize what would happen if we elected a 50% foreigner as a president. I don't know why people can't see this. Why they refuse to except the fact. Maybe I'm the only patriotic person on here. I just don't want anyone half-foreign in office. Now if Colin Powell was runninng, he'd get my vote. A real strong Black American, not African-American.
Yes I do agree that the Johnson administration was pressured so they had to act. How could the US justify Foreign Policies during the 60's and not line up as well with issues in our own country?? So something had to be done. I do feel what Hillary is saying to an extent with having dreams take action, but you have to choose what you say wisely, cause there were many things that pushed that besides LBJ.
ABOUT HILLARY CRYING... again, FIRST people said for a WOMAN she was too HARD, and showed no sign of EMOTION, so then she brought he DAUGHTER and MOTHER with her to show she was a family person...NOW she got a LITTLE and I say LITTLE emotional about the GREAT oppurtunities about what this country has given her and people are ready to hang her. SO, she can't be HARD, RUTHLESS and she CAN'T cry, show emotion...so basically she is DAMNED to HELL. GEORGE BUSH never SHOWED emotion either...LOL, and don't get me started on that DUMB A$$...Oh, BTW when she showed a fear tears, it was in a SMALL cafe with a few people, in a more intimate environment, that time was totally appropiate. LMAO, and she didn't breakdown, some of you people make it seem like she at a funeral jumping into the grave after a LOVED one. LOL, so many people on here sound like such idiots!
YusefX Flag post Annie
presidents can write laws
executive orders. Since the 70s the president has been granted increased powers. signing statements as well.
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i'm threw with Annie. it's become painfully apparent to me that she's one of those who refuses to read the news. i guess she never heard of the wire taps or the fisa courts to...dang-gone shame. some of us are destined to repeat the mistakes of the past.
Annie Flag post YusefX:
Executive orders apply to the foreign context. They are not laws, and are best described as mini-treaties. President's cannot write laws. It is NOT constitutional. Read the Chadha case from the Supreme Court for additional details.
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bush has been breaking the constitution since he's been in office. the congress is given the right to declare war also, but who was it that declared war on iraq when the congress rolled over and did nothing. PICK UP A NEWSPAPER AND READ
Truth be told, MTO is, infact, telling the truth on this one. I'm not gonna paraphrase her comments, I'll let you read it for yourselves. I am not gonna get into it about who my choice is, but I will tell you that it is not her. She talks of all of her experience but can you truthfully count being the president's wife as job experience? If so then how about this...Donald Trumps wife is qualified to be the CEO of his companies because she is married to him. Right. Wake up, folks. The world does not work like that...
witchywomn Obama has my vote just because he is black and I dont give a damn what you or anybody else thinks about that I have heard WHITES say that they cant see a BLACK man as president so they will not vote for him White people make me sick, so if Obama becomes president then I see this as a way of sticking it to the man You want to be a house N*gga that is why you got that gay looking azz white man as your avatar to them white folks you are just another n*gga, so dont get it twisted
Say what you want but I am voting for Obama
Obama in 08 that is just great
soulsangr Flag post Since when has Fox nes been credible??? Don't you all know that those people are related to the Bushes?? Of course they will make it seem that she said something DUMB like that... DUH! --------------- i crack my OWN self up!!
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You would think that some of these people never heard of the name Roger Ailes.
YusefX,
First of all, I was responding to muscleman. "HATE to say this, but how many people making these comments have college education at least, or for that matter an advance degree".
Stating that anyone on hear even has a college degree. So, you are in fact, sticking up for muscleman??. Think about it, Muscleman's arguement is that people here do not have any college degree. But, you are saying that you can have a college degree and still be ignorant. Which I competley agree. But, why even get involved with my argument. With all due respect. I noticed that you are a Ron Paul supporter, I beleive that explains your view on Hillary's comment. Hint, Hint, Ron Paul + blacks commit crimes + calling New York a ZOO !!!= racist Ron Paul is officially DONE!!!
cat4everrr,
Check my response to Yusef. Please read Article I and Article II of the Constitution. Just because some newscasters states x president passed x law does not mean that it the mechanics of what happened. I think it is pretty clear that you do not have a real handle on constiutional law, and are speaking out of your a$$. I'm sure that when you say news, you don't mean the NY Times. The president has more discretion in foreign affairs, as in his ability to execute executive orders. However, as you learned in third grade, president's executes the laws; Congress passes the law. Period. The civil rights act of 1964 is the standard legislation that required bicamerlism and presentment (terms I'm sure that you have never heard before). Congress passed the law, and president did not veto. Johnson
There are so many idiots in this world.
'Yesterday Hillary Clinton appeared on FOX News where she was asked whether she felt that Barack Obama's inspirational message of change was important for the country.'
'Listen to Hill minimize the importance of Dr. King's work:'
'Dr King’s dream began to be realized when President Lyndon Johnson passed the civil rights act of 1964… The power of that dream became real in people's lives because we had a president capable of action.'
My questions is, why didn't Hillary answer the question as it was posed to her?
Was she confused? They didn't ask her about MLK they asked her 'how she felt that Barack Obama's inspirational message of change was important for the country.'
Hillary...try staying on task and answer the questions as they are posed to you. Stop trying to confuse us. It just shows that you are the one confused.
Clearly she didn't know how to answer the question so she went all the way left.
Hillary...pay attention and get your mind RIGHT!!!
Not that I'm voting for you anyways but these words of wisdom and advise may help you in your future as you look for a new job cuz you WON'T BE PRESIDENT...SORRY!!!
Annie Flag post cat4everrr,
Check my response to Yusef. Please read Article I and Article II of the Constitution. Just because some newscasters states x president passed x law does not mean that it the mechanics of what happened. I think it is pretty clear that you do not have a real handle on constiutional law, and are speaking out of your a$$. I'm sure that when you say news, you don't mean the NY Times. The president has more discretion in foreign affairs, as in his ability to execute executive orders. However, as you learned in third grade, president's executes the laws; Congress passes the law. Period. The civil rights act of 1964 is the standard legislation that required bicamerlism and presentment (terms I'm sure that you have never heard before). Congress passed the law, and president did not veto. Johnson
There are so many idiots in this world.
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if you really believe half of what you are saying then we are in worse shape then i thought. scratch the surface annie, scratch the surface. think about the goverment's infrastructure, dig a little deeper
MTO should not take anything that FOXNEWS says seriously. Fox News are the biggest liars out there. Hillary Clinton is not that stupid to say such a thing, because she know it would be death for your quest. But, Fox News would say anything to attack her or anybody that does not see the world as they do.
Anyway, Barack Obama is going to be our the first black president. And it will be a wonderful site to see. It will give black boys and girls a real dream that we can be whatever we want to be in this country; other than sport stars and entertainers. We can have it all. Let that be our dream as a people.
cat4everrr,
The President has been "breaking the Constitution?" First, the president can react to an attack on the nation under his powers as commander-in-chief. It is actually not clear that this "war" is unconstiutional, especially considering my point about president have more discretion in the foreign affairs context. All that to say, that it is irrelevant to the point that the president cannot pass legislation. Domestic legislation has absolutely zilch to do withe executive orders. FYI: war was not "declared." To. This. Day. You need to read your papers more clearly. I read academic articles not the NY Post. Sorry.
Diddy, what happened did it just hit you that someone said something bad about you. Boy you are slow. That's funny that you have so much hate for black people, yet you coin your handle off of a black entertainer. I think someone is having an identity crisis. As long as your dumb uneducated, confused ass stays out of politics, we will make it through
Annie cat4everrr,
The President has been "breaking the Constitution?" First, the president can react to an attack on the nation under his powers as commander-in-chief. It is actually not clear that this "war" is unconstiutional, especially considering my point about president have more discretion in the foreign affairs context. All that to say, that it is irrelevant to the point that the president cannot pass legislation. Domestic legislation has absolutely zilch to do withe executive orders. FYI: war was not "declared." To. This. Day. You need to read your papers more clearly. I read academic articles not the NY Post. Sorry.
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NEWSFLASH:
We are at war and have been for the last 6 years annie and gues what? congress did not declare it. you really can't be that naive, c'mon annie, give some hope here.
@crysmarie, my appologies... i do understand that we are all going to interpret things differently, and that will always be a fact about people, no one person will ever see/interpret something the exact same way as the other, so I do value your thoughts. Taking what everyone is saying...analyzing it, and finding a common denominator would be interesting. Oh and BTW, glad you have a marketing degree, while I have a BS in Information Systems and a Masters in Criminal Justice...I by no means EVER down someone without college education, so of the people I work don't have degrees and I swear they run circles around me! All I'm saying is college has help me to do more research and no react as fast to what I hear until I understand the whole cituation, from boths sides, the good and bad.
And yeah the president that gets nominate will affect me, i work for the FEDS.
cat4everrr:
You are dumb. Since Truman, president's have been able to respond to attacks. There has not been a declared war since WWII. Not the Vietnam War. Not Korean War. None. The President has a competing power with Congress power to declare war called "commander-in-chief." That is how we enter these "undeclared wars." Just because media sensationalizes it does not make it into something that it not. If you read the NY Times on a regular basis, you would know this. You would be trying to prove that the president could pass the civil rights act of 1964. It would be a forgone conclusion that Congress passed it, and that Johnson, along with many civil rights advocates, had to convince them to do so. It is disconcerting that you wouldn't already know this.
This is the end of the con law/history lesson. It is clear that we don't have a similar educational pedigree and it is useful arguing with someone with 50 IQ points less than me. Have a nice day.
Annie Flag post Habeas Corpus? "Release the body" in Latin, and a constitutional right for a prisoner to seek review of wrongful imprisonment. What is your point? Stop throwing out words that you do not understand.
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it a part of the CONSTITUTION that has been suspended ANNIE and guess what? CONGRESS did not vote to do so
read up on the fisa court and the wiretaps as well. this president has broken the constitution so many times that we would be on here talking all day. READ READ READ
@muscleman19
I agree everyone's viewpoint should be equally taken into account, we can learn from all people’s experiences, regardless of level of education, race or culture. Although I have earned a M.S.; I have learned much from the mature ladies in my office that have H.S. diplomas, through their life experiences.
theresa Flag post @Annie I could not have said this any better Thanks!!!!!
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let me show you how goofy you really are. you are agreeing with someone who is essentially arguing that this president has not broke the law. you are arguing in favor of bush. i'm willing to bet that diddy and annie are the same person. i bet he's sitting in a room full of white folk saying "watch how easily i can confuse these blacks".
I targeted your STUPID [EXPLETIVE] ass b/c that statement you made is so DAMN ignorant I can barely put it into words. Like I said BITCH, you should not be allowed to vote. You are so damn stupid that you can not see that what you said UNDERMINDS everything that Obama stands for. Im sure Obama would rather ppl vote for him b/c they believe in him and his message, and have confidence that he will run this country right. BTW, my avatar is not a gay ass white dude, so suck a c ock! Now your avatar.....whatever...Again just so you know for your lil STUPID ASS, all the white ppl that you say you hate, THEY R GONNA GET OBAMA ELECTED! Yes I said WHITE PPL WILL ELECT OBAMA!!!
@ omegadestroyer Flag post cat4everrr
I don't think they are the same people. Diddy, Is a mindless confused racist. He hates blacks, but aspires to be one, so intern he hates himself. Annie speaks with more omni-directional, but somewhat knowledgable answers
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i could be wrong but both seem to have the same goal
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@NOT12HATE:
No one is taking anything out of context. When these white people speak you better read in between the lines because they mean exactly what we think they do. If you go to ABC NEWS you will see that her freaking husband had the AUDACITY to compare her to NELSON MANDELA.. This family had jumped off the deep end they need to sit down somewhere at let OBAMA do his thing!!
kingjerm
I'll answer that question. 24 is one of the most popular shows on television, they have had 2 black presidents thus far. The average American logs more hours on drama, sports and entertainment television than they do on news and politics. Since most people draw there conclusions from others insites, there very well may be a blck president in this coming election.
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o well.. i dont give a rass a$$ wat she say.. she still my b!tch.. ima still vote 4 her.. im sick of these men as presidents..if she wins.. it will be prt of history 4 da 1st time in U.S.. Barak Obama hes cool too.. but its something with him dat sound mad fony.. matterafact all of dem sound fony cuz dey say [EXPLETIVE] now den wen dey enter office its da same damn crap.. wat did Bush did so diffrent wen he went into office after clinton.. nuttin but just raise taxes N started a war.. so dey all da samething.. but either way i still want my gyal hillary to win.. all day err day.. barak obama no offensive sound like u sayin president bid laden.. srry dats wat i think..
cat4everrr:
Thanks for the compliment. Google my posts. See if you find them on the internet. It obvious that I am just smarter than you. But since you insist that I make you look like an idiot, I gladly oblige:
1) Habeas corpus has not been suspended. They tried to suspend it for "enemy combatants" but the Supreme Court held that this was unconstitutional. Read the Hamdi and Hamdan decisions. 2) The President passed no legislation to execute his plan because he could not do so. He is the president. 3) Wiretapping was not implemented in legsilation. It was a covert "execution" of the law, that most agree was unconstitutional. It is an example of the presidential limitations on power even in the foreign affairs context. 4) Presidential power is rapidly decreasing as evinced by the response to the US attorney situation. If you don't understand what I mean, you probablynever will. 5) Article 1, 2, Chadha, Hamdan, Hamdi, and countless decisions and laws say the same. 6) Your reasoning is circular. You are arguing that because the president can break the law and legislate, arguendo, he is therefore a lawmaker and was one at the time of Johnson. This is circular reasoning and logically flawed. Further, it makes no sense. 7) Your proposition that I am Diddy is absurd. The fact that you are unable to differentiate between our tone and writing styles is telling. 8)You are a crappy writer.
You obviously did not go far in school. Tell me, do you know what the Economist, National Review, New Yorker, Foreign Affairs name. If you do, you get two points. Good luck in life, dummy.
theresa Flag post @Cat4everrr As I stated before you are a white Women or White Man!!! You are not fooling me with your Cat Women outfit! HaHaHa Ha nice try ----
i can respect annie for at least going to google and trying to back up her points. you on the other hand are just speaking out of the side of your neck with nothing really to say. your just taking up perfectly good air. stay on the sidelines cheering. you're of more use there
Umm,
There is Guantanamo Bay, and the prisoners were in the Supreme Court because they exercised their rights under habeas corpus. That is how it works. Habeas corpus only allows you to get heard. In fact, many prisoners won their cases. The habeas corpus issues were resolved several years ago. Apparently, you have not been following very closely.
@supersexychick
Hillary is for affirmative action, Obama is not for race based affirmative action, pls read the post below.
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MTO is taking Hillary’s statement out of context I may vote for her because I agree with her stance on affirmative action and what she will do to preserve Dr. Kings dream while she is president.
Pls read the links above. I donated to Obama's campaign before these news stories broke that he is not a proponent of race based affirmative action and now I am not so sure that I can still support him. Because due to racism that still exists in this country affirmative action is still needed to help blacks gain employment and equal access to education. We can not allow our affirmative action programs to include poor whites as Obama appears to be considering. Our forefathers fought and died during the civil rights movement for equal access to jobs, that affirmative action is supposed to help enforce and we can not loose these gains, due to the lack of support of our "own" (Obama) politicians. I am not sure why Obama does not appear to have the same concern as many African Americans do regarding the need to safe guard the few gains that we have received due to affirmative action. Can it be that he is out of touch with the Afro- American community because of his upbringing (raised by white family) or privileged life or not being a descendent of slaves? Because of this reason and others I may vote for Clinton, although she is white she agrees with maintaining race based affirmative action, from what I have read. Black Dr.s and Lawyers couldn’t even get a decent job before the civil rights movement and affirmative action. Many black Dr.s , lawyers and professionals were porters on trains, due to racism. Many of our people could not feed their families. This racism still exists; many Afro- Americans would not be hired today, even though they are the best candidate for the job if it were not for corporation’s affirmative action initiatives. Whites tend to hire whites even unqualified whites.
Would you vote for Clarence Thomas or anyone who you think may sell you out just because they are black?
Pls read this link [link to external website removed] An excerpt is below we can not allow white racists to use Obama against us to end race based affirmative action. As African Americans we need our jobs and our small businesses, whites usually hire even unqualified whites and white corporations tend to purchase their goods from white businesses owners. Race based affirmative action is still needed.
The End of Affirmative Action--First Alterman, Now Obama? Even Barack Obama, under pressure from George Stephanopoulos, seemed to be abandoning the affirmative action idea and shifting toward embracing a class-based preference system, notes Roger Clegg. ... This is more than a potential 'Sister Souljah moment' for Obama. Obama would not be showing that he can reject the more extreme, wacky positions of his party's component interest groups. He'd be showing he's rejecting what has been a central and widely accepted demand of an interest group with which he is inevitably identified. He's not quite there yet--and maybe he'll have to backtrack after his ABC This Week comments--but he's at least on the verge of giving voters not merely a reason to not oppose him, but a big reason to support him--the prospect that President Obama will end race preferences and the long, divisive debate they generate. Hillary cannot make that promise. Her husband famously balked at making exactly the shift--from race to class--that Obama seemed to endorse. And even if Hillary made that leap, she couldn't shift African-American opinion away from race preferences the way a black president could shift African-American opinion. She can't put the issue to rest. Obama can. ... P.S.: I blame Jennifer Gratz. Michigan's stunning 2006 anti-preference vote is still resonating. Pols paid attention even if the press didn't. ...
@ Annie
Annie Annie Annie
i've come across many a people in my travels who are educated and have serious loot. one c'mon thread that i've found amongst these people is they despise people who brag about themseleves. if you feel the need to point out your education level it probably isn't what you would like others to think at all.
Hillary did great things for Arkansas when they were here ( We all know she smarter than Bill). I can't understand why she stayed with him though. There have always been rumors of him cheating with BLACK women and other women. Chicks would be on the news suing Bill for all types of crap. We don't know who's going to get the nomination only GOD knows. I know she can do the job I just don't want a woman president and I am a woman.
@A Rapper
I feel you I don't believe she was discrediting MLK I believe she was simply stating a fact...It was his dream but it was a dream that he couldn't make possible but dig how could he he didn't have the power to do so but what he did was stand up to the Bullies and demand change...now if it hadn't been for that stance president Johnson would have never brought forth this thought on his own for a civil rights act...
And truth be told this world is not ready for a black president whenever you get finished with it...is it one black person out there that has yet to experience racism? I think not because its still live and kicking and guess what those rascist leaders hold the electorial votes that determine the actual presidential election!
I also think if we don't wake up and fall behind one of the democratic canadiates then the republicans will win because the democratic vote will be split....
Annie Flag post Umm,
There is Guantanamo Bay, and the prisoners were in the Supreme Court because they exercised their rights under habeas corpus. That is how it works. Habeas corpus only allows you to get heard. In fact, many prisoners won their cases. The habeas corpus issues were resolved several years ago. Apparently, you have not been following very closely.
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they were taken there in the first place due to there rights being infringed upon. some were taken out in the middle of the night and their family didn't know where they were for months. that's the whole point. their rights were suspended!
cat4everrr:
Most had no rights (as related to the Constitution, not human rights) because they were non-citizens taken on foreign soil. They had rights when they entered GB, US land. Your point is beside the point. Habeas corpus had nothing to do with what you just stated. You brought it up so I thought that you would at the very least have basic knowledge of it.
Annie Flag post The GB habeas issue has been resolved (several years ago at that), and no other issues loom. Like I said, let's debate the implementation of military commissions v. full judicial process. I'm giving you something that you brought up.
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Annie,
Focus, were they taken against their constitutional right? Answer the question.
Annie Flag post cat4everrr:
Most had no rights (as related to the Constitution, not human rights) because they were non-citizens taken on foreign soil. They had rights when they entered GB, US land. Your point is beside the point. Habeas corpus had nothing to do with what you just stated. You brought it up so I thought that you would at the very least have basic knowledge of it.
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ANSWER THE QUESTION. WERE US CITIZENS TAKEN AGAINST THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS? ANSWER THE QUESTION
"And she's absolutely right. Even the bible says faith without works is dead. It took someone with the power to make the change and the knowledge of how to make the change in order to bring that to fruition."
How is she absolutely right? do you not know your history? Pres. Johnson would not have been forced into action if it had not been for the "work" of Dr. King. He didn't just sit around an "dream all day. Remember the beatings he took, along with some others, while protesting and marching. You must be in your 20's and missed the fight for civil rights altogether. What was going on in your childhood was the beginning of MTV and BET taking off.
Annie Flag post And constiutional rights? I thought MY question, that started this debate, was what were your thoughts on the use of military commission v. full process. You DID NOT answer. That is what is relevant to GB right now.
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ANNIE I'M ASKING YOU A SIMPLE QUESTION. PLEASE FOCUS. I'M GOING TO GIVE IT ANOTHER TRY. HERE GOES-
ANNIE WERE US CITIZENS IMPRISONED AGAINST THIER CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS?
It really doesn't matter what she said, what she didn't say, or what she's going to say because at the end of the day Obama has been kickin her ass all over the place so she's not going to be President anyway. Hillary is just emotional, frustrated, and beat down at this point. She never stood a chance in hell to become president anyway.
There was one US citizen: Padilla. I answered you already. Habeas was granted. Habeas is over. Your question is irrelevant. I answered you a question that initiated the debate, but you have not answered. If you (and everyone else) reads my responses, it is quite clear that you are evading the question. So there is your response, sweetie. There was ONLY ONE US citizen. Did you know that?
I am so very surprised by the lack of ability of so many of you to comprehend and interpret Sen Clinton's comment regarding Dr. King's Dream. First of all, that comment was directlly insulting to Sen Obama. Secondly, it was even more insulting to Dr. King. In her statement, she is basically denying Dr. King's legacy of ACTION for the 20 years that he led peace and non-violent PROTESTS of Jim Crow. For her to say that Dr. King's dream did not become a reality until the ACTION of Pres Johnson is to deny King's own ACTIVE role in leading CHANGE that RESULTED in Johnson's support of civil rights legislation. Without the EFFORTS and CHANGE led by Dr. King and other activists of that time, no legilation would have even been proposed. Yes, it required a political intervention to LEGALLY bring about change on the books, but it was ONLY through the ACTIONS and not just the DREAM of Dr. King that this was ever possible. So, to those of you who support her comments, you are WRONG, WRONG, WRONG. It was not due to the white man with pen that CHANGE was made. It was through the ACTION and WORK AND CHANGE of those who worked tirelessly like Dr. King for years years before Johnson was even presented with the opportunity to pen legislation into active law. Furthermore, what she was implying with respect to Obama, was that he is ONLY a DREAMER and not a true agent of or for change. In other words, his dream can only be fulfilled through HER action as a president is what she was really implying. Well, I believe that OBAMA will be as effective if not MORE EFFECTIVE at making change as she has been iterating like a broken record as of late, when HE IS ELECTED PRESIDENT OF THESE UNITED STATES. I see that so many of the blacks who post here are sadly, extremely white-washed. You are quick to insult your own in support of a non-black person in your quest to be accepted and feel less black and less ignorant in the site of white people. It shows through your applauding comments that are made over and over when MTO posts some interracial couple -- especially, black women. Meanwhile, 99% of the white men in this country wouldn't even consider black women for any relationship at all, much less a romantic one. Yet, when celebrities like Halle and Venus hook up with one, you are the first to say "Go head Girl!" In both of those cases, they are probably being used for their status and money, but to the average "ignorant" sistah posting on this board, that doesn't even matter if he's cute and white. Truly pathetic. The lack of self pride, self-worth, and self-esteem lacked by so many beautiful sistahs out here is amazing to me and saddening, even moreso. This is why the existence of black people hangs in the balance. The black middle class is shrinking and the black underclass is growing. Black people actually think that it takes a white person to lead us in modern society, because we think so little of ourselves and fail to value our own talents and strength in numbers. That is also why black have been the last to jump on the Obama train, because we need the white man to validate one of our own before we will. We are such followers, instead of the leaders that the Lord intended for us to be.
Annie Flag post There was one US citizen: Padilla. I answered you already. Habeas was granted. Habeas is over. Your question is irrelevant. I answered you a question that initiated the debate, but you have not answered. If you (and everyone else) reads my responses, it is quite clear that you are evading the question. So there is your response, sweetie. There was ONLY ONE US citizen. Did you know that?
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so then you do agree that this president essentially has the right implement law by nonconventional methods?
@ cat - you remind me of the blacks who wear masks (w.e.b. dubois). when u care about what whites think of you it takes away from your blackness, individuality and progress as a black person. how can one be beneficial to the community when pretending in their minds that they aren't black? this is the true breakdown of our community. this is why stereotypes on television, etc. become relevant b/c mostly blacks feed into this and become 'embarrassed' to be black. by doing this, you abandon the community who needs you more than whites. it becomes a snowball effect and welcome to 2008.
to the person who stated that boys wearing sagging jeans are disrepectful to king's dream. please tell me how. folks always want to blame the current generation but you can't with relevance. this generation is a result of the elders and adults and what they DIDN'T do to raise their children as respectable citizens. it's a cop out. you cannot hold teenagers accountable for the current state of things. one cannot blame celebs either b/c it is the PARENTS that allow these people to raise their children. i mentor children in inner-city schools and they feel the same way. they speak w/ so much passion and are more aware of the political process than their parents, family members.
Umm. You did not answer, kitty. That was an execution of the law, under his commander-in-chief power. Moreover, it was overturned as unconstiutional, so it no it does not prove your point. In fact, it proves my point that there are checks and balances in place, and that the presidnet cannot legislate.
Annie Flag post Here, kitty, kitty. Too scared to come out and play. Why don't you join our discussion. Both Yusef and I have responded to my original question. We can go in further depth when you are ready. ---
so you then agree that this president has implemented law by unconventional means? answer the question
@kalpitone40 I believe the Obama will be an agent of change, but what type of change. Hillary is not perfect, but her jab was at Obama not MLK. Pls read between the lines. Hillary and Bill have stood up for affirmative action and other issues relevant to black lives in America. Just because Obama is 1/2 African and 1/2 white does not mean he has an agenda that is in alignment with the best interests of most Black Americans. Pls read below.
Would you vote for Clarence Thomas or anyone who you think may sell you out just because they are black?
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MTO is taking Hillary’s statement out of context I may vote for her because I agree with her stance on affirmative action and what she will do to preserve Dr. Kings dream while she is president.
Pls read the links above. I donated to Obama's campaign before these news stories broke that he is not a proponent of race based affirmative action and now I am not so sure that I can still support him. Because due to racism that still exists in this country affirmative action is still needed to help blacks gain employment and equal access to education. We can not allow our affirmative action programs to include poor whites as Obama appears to be considering. Our forefathers fought and died during the civil rights movement for equal access to jobs, that affirmative action is supposed to help enforce and we can not loose these gains, due to the lack of support of our "own" (Obama) politicians. I am not sure why Obama does not appear to have the same concern as many African Americans do regarding the need to safe guard the few gains that we have received due to affirmative action. Can it be that he is out of touch with the Afro- American community because of his upbringing (raised by white family) or privileged life or not being a descendent of slaves? Because of this reason and others I may vote for Clinton, although she is white she agrees with maintaining race based affirmative action, from what I have read. Black Dr.s and Lawyers couldn’t even get a decent job before the civil rights movement and affirmative action. Many black Dr.s , lawyers and professionals were porters on trains, due to racism. Many of our people could not feed their families. This racism still exists; many Afro- Americans would not be hired today, even though they are the best candidate for the job if it were not for corporation’s affirmative action initiatives. Whites tend to hire whites even unqualified whites.
Would you vote for Clarence Thomas or anyone who you think may sell you out just because they are black?
Pls read this link [link to external website removed] An excerpt is below we can not allow white racists to use Obama against us to end race based affirmative action. As African Americans we need our jobs and our small businesses, whites usually hire even unqualified whites and white corporations tend to purchase their goods from white businesses owners. Race based affirmative action is still needed.
The End of Affirmative Action--First Alterman, Now Obama? Even Barack Obama, under pressure from George Stephanopoulos, seemed to be abandoning the affirmative action idea and shifting toward embracing a class-based preference system, notes Roger Clegg. ... This is more than a potential 'Sister Souljah moment' for Obama. Obama would not be showing that he can reject the more extreme, wacky positions of his party's component interest groups. He'd be showing he's rejecting what has been a central and widely accepted demand of an interest group with which he is inevitably identified. He's not quite there yet--and maybe he'll have to backtrack after his ABC This Week comments--but he's at least on the verge of giving voters not merely a reason to not oppose him, but a big reason to support him--the prospect that President Obama will end race preferences and the long, divisive debate they generate. Hillary cannot make that promise. Her husband famously balked at making exactly the shift--from race to class--that Obama seemed to endorse. And even if Hillary made that leap, she couldn't shift African-American opinion away from race preferences the way a black president could shift African-American opinion. She can't put the issue to rest. Obama can. ... P.S.: I blame Jennifer Gratz. Michigan's stunning 2006 anti-preference vote is still resonating. Pols paid attention even if the press didn't. ...
"so you then agree that this president has implemented law by unconventional means?"
I answered it.
"That was an execution of the law, under his commander-in-chief power. Moreover, it was overturned as unconstiutional, so it no it does not prove your point. In fact, it proves my point that there are checks and balances in place, and that the presidnet cannot legislate."
Answer my question. It's better.
Annie Flag post Umm. You did not answer, kitty. That was an execution of the law, under his commander-in-chief power. Moreover, it was overturned as unconstiutional, so it no it does not prove your point. In fact, it proves my point that there are checks and balances in place, and that the presidnet cannot legislate.
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Annie,
What are you talking about? No one knows how many others their may be? That is why there has been so many cases before the Supreme Court? Let's bring this whole thing full circle. The whole entire point of this discussion is the disagreement that this President can not create law. I say he does have a defacto power. Can we now agree that this president has implemented law by unconventional means? answer the question
Cat:
There already have habeas corpus power. GB is likely to be closed in 2009 or so. There won't be any more citizens because you can just arrest suspected terrorist. Padilla was found abroad not in the US, and that is how he ended up there. You are beyond clueless. Why don't you answer the initial question? I have responded to ALL of your questions.
Annie Flag post Cat:
There already have habeas corpus power. GB is likely to be closed in 2009 or so. There won't be any more citizens because you can just arrest suspected terrorist. Padilla was found abroad not in the US, and that is how he ended up there. You are beyond clueless. Why don't you answer the initial question? I have responded to ALL of your questions.
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don't parse words. a us citizen was taken against his constitutional rights. it doesn't matter when it will be closed his rights were infringed upon
KRW, you are the only poster that seemed to GET IT. Your comment was right on. That is what is scary about the black youth of today. They are clueless as to the struggles that blacks endured not too long ago. In fact, they fail to understand that some of their same white friends today are being raised by the very parents that supported Jim Crow. Their failure to comprehend the existence of racism that is still heavily present in this society is frightening. They don't even understand that the conservative agenda in this country is to basically wipe the civil rights legislation off the books because they want blacks to believe that it is no longer necessary. Well, what do you think would happen if they were to actually succeed in this effort? It would be called 21st century Jim Crow.
"Let's revist habeas corpus, although it has already been resolved. What do you think about it, kitty? It was your initial point.
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Kitty: UNCONSTITUTIONAL"
Thank you, kitty. I did not want to do it but you made me. Habeas corpus is found in the constitution and is thus not unconstiutional as you suggest. First, the controversy was whether non-citizens outside of US sort of soil have the right to habeas corpus review in federal courts. GB is not US soil, and that is where the controversy stems from. In short, the Supreme Court held yes, habeas is MANDATED by the Constitution. Then the Military Commission Act was passed, making my initial question to you much more relevant and sexy than your quibbling about habeas. In short:
1) You though habeas was unconstiutional. 2) Did not know about Padilla. 3) Demonstrated that you did not know that the habeas issue has been resolved. 4) Thought that it was directly relevant to US citizens, as if they would be shipped down there. 5) Expressed no international law concerns about it. 6) And still cited to it to show me how smart you are.
I wish you the best, you made my day!
Annie Flag post "Let's revist habeas corpus, although it has already been resolved. What do you think about it, kitty? It was your initial point.
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Kitty: UNCONSTITUTIONAL"
Thank you, kitty. I did not want to do it but you made me. Habeas corpus is found in the constitution and is thus not unconstiutional as you suggest.
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ANNIE, HONESTLY, I'M HAVING THE HARDEST TIME GETTING YOU TO FOCUS. THE FACT THAT IT WAS SUSPENDED IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL. I'M NOT VOTING FOR OBABMA BUT HE SAID AS MUCH ON THE STUMP YESTERDAY IN NEW HAMPSHIRE. YOU HOWEVER DON'T SEEM TO SHARE THE SAME VIEW. SO I ASK YOU AGAIN-
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Real66, here is Obama's comment from Chronicles in Higher Ed on the issue of Affirmative Action:
Q. You have called yourself a firm believer in affirmative action. How big a role should race play in college-admissions decisions, and why? How much should socioeconomic status factor in to those decisions, and why?
A. Diversity enriches education. As America grows more diverse, it is essential that students be exposed to diversity in all its forms and learn how to effectively communicate, collaborate, and compete with people of all backgrounds.
Some measures traditionally used to determine college admissions—such as college entrance exam scores—might not necessarily be the best predictors of college success, placing some very talented students at a disadvantage.
One of this year’s MacArthur awardees—the “genius” awards—is an innovator named Deborah Bial. She proposed a model to identify promising students from disadvantaged urban backgrounds, using an alternative set of qualities as predictors of success in college.
Candidates for this program are selected using a process based on qualities such as leadership, motivation, teamwork, and ability to effectively communicate. The students that are selected form a “posse,” and are provided with extra supports, and end up graduating form selective colleges with a very high success rate.
This shows the validity of using less-recognized skills as indicators of likely educational success. And this would probably be considered affirmative action, by specifically choosing students from less-advantaged backgrounds. But maybe it just shows that the playing ground, using traditional metrics for college admission, is unacceptably uneven.
When properly structured, affirmative action programs can open up opportunities to qualified minorities—and can do so without diminishing opportunities for white students. Given the dearth of black and Latino Ph.D. candidates in mathematics and the sciences, for example, a scholarship program for minorities interested in getting advanced degrees in these fields won’t keep white students out of such programs but can broaden the pool of talent that we need to prosper in the new economy.
We shouldn’t ignore that race continues to matter: To suggest that our racial attitudes play no part in the socioeconomic disparities that we often observe turns a blind eye to both our history and our experience—and relieves us of the responsibility to make things right.
The very question suggests this is an either/or thing—either you want to increase opportunities for racial minorities or you want to increase opportunities for poor students of all races. I reject this. We can—and should—do both.
We should work to build an America where the qualified white student from rural South Carolina who worked hard to beat the odds and the qualified black student from the South Side of Chicago who did the same can attend classes together, learn from each other, teach their classmates a thing or two and vice versa, and together go off into the world prepared for a diverse workforce.
@kalpitone40
Do You GET IT??? Obama is not for race based affirmative action. So if you are for it race based AA you may not to reconsider your vote.
@kalpitone40 I believe the Obama will be an agent of change, but what type of change. Hillary is not perfect, but her jab was at Obama not MLK. Pls read between the lines. Hillary and Bill have stood up for affirmative action and other issues relevant to black lives in America. Just because Obama is 1/2 African and 1/2 white does not mean he has an agenda that is in alignment with the best interests of most Black Americans. Pls read below.
Would you vote for Clarence Thomas or anyone who you think may sell you out just because they are black?
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MTO is taking Hillary’s statement out of context I may vote for her because I agree with her stance on affirmative action and what she will do to preserve Dr. Kings dream while she is president.
Pls read the links above. I donated to Obama's campaign before these news stories broke that he is not a proponent of race based affirmative action and now I am not so sure that I can still support him. Because due to racism that still exists in this country affirmative action is still needed to help blacks gain employment and equal access to education. We can not allow our affirmative action programs to include poor whites as Obama appears to be considering. Our forefathers fought and died during the civil rights movement for equal access to jobs, that affirmative action is supposed to help enforce and we can not loose these gains, due to the lack of support of our "own" (Obama) politicians. I am not sure why Obama does not appear to have the same concern as many African Americans do regarding the need to safe guard the few gains that we have received due to affirmative action. Can it be that he is out of touch with the Afro- American community because of his upbringing (raised by white family) or privileged life or not being a descendent of slaves? Because of this reason and others I may vote for Clinton, although she is white she agrees with maintaining race based affirmative action, from what I have read. Black Dr.s and Lawyers couldn’t even get a decent job before the civil rights movement and affirmative action. Many black Dr.s , lawyers and professionals were porters on trains, due to racism. Many of our people could not feed their families. This racism still exists; many Afro- Americans would not be hired today, even though they are the best candidate for the job if it were not for corporation’s affirmative action initiatives. Whites tend to hire whites even unqualified whites.
Would you vote for Clarence Thomas or anyone who you think may sell you out just because they are black?
Pls read this link [link to external website removed] An excerpt is below we can not allow white racists to use Obama against us to end race based affirmative action. As African Americans we need our jobs and our small businesses, whites usually hire even unqualified whites and white corporations tend to purchase their goods from white businesses owners. Race based affirmative action is still needed.
The End of Affirmative Action--First Alterman, Now Obama? Even Barack Obama, under pressure from George Stephanopoulos, seemed to be abandoning the affirmative action idea and shifting toward embracing a class-based preference system, notes Roger Clegg. ... This is more than a potential 'Sister Souljah moment' for Obama. Obama would not be showing that he can reject the more extreme, wacky positions of his party's component interest groups. He'd be showing he's rejecting what has been a central and widely accepted demand of an interest group with which he is inevitably identified. He's not quite there yet--and maybe he'll have to backtrack after his ABC This Week comments--but he's at least on the verge of giving voters not merely a reason to not oppose him, but a big reason to support him--the prospect that President Obama will end race preferences and the long, divisive debate they generate. Hillary cannot make that promise. Her husband famously balked at making exactly the shift--from race to class--that Obama seemed to endorse. And even if Hillary made that leap, she couldn't shift African-American opinion away from race preferences the way a black president could shift African-American opinion. She can't put the issue to rest. Obama can. ... P.S.: I blame Jennifer Gratz. Michigan's stunning 2006 anti-preference vote is still resonating. Pols paid attention even if the press didn't. ...
I asked you a question that you did not respond to because you are not intelligent enough to do so. I over and over demonstrated that I am more intelligent than you. You need to get a clue. Yusef responded to my question. You did not because you don't know how to. Why? You are just a stupid little kitty, who probably never did well in school, did not finish your education, work as someone's hack in some office somewhere, and believe that you are "smart." The people you work for are smart. You are stupid. Read through all the posts. You don't have to agree with me to acknowledge that you seem unaware in your posts. You direct silly numbskull questions at me, so that you never have to answer any of my intelligent questions.
Annie Flag post I asked you a question that you did not respond to because you are not intelligent enough to do so. I over and over demonstrated that I am more intelligent than you. You need to get a clue. Yusef responded to my question. You did not because you don't know how to. Why? You are just a stupid little kitty, who probably never did well in school, did not finish your education, work as someone's hack in some office somewhere, and believe that you are "smart." The people you work for are smart. You are stupid. Read through all the posts. You don't have to agree with me to acknowledge that you seem unaware in your posts. You direct silly numbskull questions at me, so that you never have to answer any of my intelligent questions.
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YEAH YEAH YEAH, SIMPLE QUESTION ANNIE. WHY TRY AND HIDE FROM THE FACT THAT YOU ARE A CONSERVATIVE? I'LL GIVE IT ONE LAST TRY. HERE GOES-
HAS THIS PRESIDENT BROKEN ANY LAWS
Real, I get it loud and clear. Sounds like you need to do some research and see what Obama's ACTUAL comments have been regarding AA before you run off at the mouth about what he believes in or doesn't believe in. You sound like the type of person who follows instead of leading yourself in decisions. You believe everything that somebody rights ABOUT somebody else instead of listeng and hearing from the actual source?
Annie Flag post Has the presidnet broken any laws? That is debatable. Many would say yes. Period. Your question is answered. Now, answer the ten questions that I posited to you.
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NOW IF YOU PEOPLE CAN NOT SEE THAT THIS PERSON IS A CONSERVATIVE WINGNUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT WILL. ANY PERSON WITH A RESONABLE JUDGEMENT WOULD HAVE ANSWERED YES IN POINT 5 SECONDS FLAT. ANNIE QUIVERS BETWEEN YES AND NO? THANK YOU ANNIE. YOU CAN NOW GO AND TELL SEAN HANNITY AND BILL O'REILLY THAT YOUR DEED IS NOW DONE
Real66, one other thing. What the hell did AA have to do with the context of Hil's comments about Dr. King? You dragged that issue here and tried to inject that as some kind of consideration in whether Clinton's comments were appropriate, when it didn't have a darn thing to do with her comment in question.
Annie Flag post Can you, kitty. I thought that you wanted to play. Your stupid question is answer. It is pretty irrelevant. Show us how smart you are.
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annie you can call me names all day but you should know my skin is thicker than that. i mean really c'mon why be so childish? i'm sure your folks on freerepublic . c o m are missing you. why don't you go back and congregate with them.
Why do you keep posting the same thing? Answer my question, kitty. Come out and play. Answer my question about military commission. I answered you question a minute ago as posted below. I answered about military commission, so I'm not concerned that people think that I am conservative. Only a dummy, who does not know what a military commission is, like you, would think so.
"Has the presidnet broken any laws? That is debatable. Many would say yes. Period. Your question is answered. Now, answer the ten questions that I posited to you."
Annie Flag post Why do you keep posting the same thing? Answer my question, kitty. Come out and play. Answer my question about military commission. I answered you question a minute ago as posted below. I answered about military commission, so I'm not concerned that people think that I am conservative. Only a dummy, who does not know what a military commission is, like you, would think so.
"Has the presidnet broken any laws? That is debatable. Many would say yes. Period. Your question is answered. Now, answer the ten questions that I posited to you."
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i'm sure there are some rednecks you would love to hang around. why don't you go discuss those topics with your buddies
This is why we as black people should support our own. Many black people have a problem with supporting one another. Many black people support the Clintons like they have actually did something for our race. And then we are surprised when they say something stupid. This is so ignorant. I cant not stand Hillary Clinton. She is struggling with the fact that she is losing to a black man. She needs to stop crying and talking negatively about Obama and joint the Obama movement. OBAMA 08!
@kalpitone40 If a 1/2 white 1/2 native American, who grew up raised by his white family off of the reservation, went back to the reservation and asked his native American Indian people to support him in giving some of their casinos away to poor whites, they would toss him off of that reservation. We should not be sharing the few crumbs that we have received via our forefathers struggle during the civil rights movement with poor whites. Whites are still hiring unqualified poor whites. Historically sharing with poor whites means whites getting all the benefit in the end. Even now affirmative action has been so watered down that many white women have benefited from it over blacks, now Obama wants to include poor white men? So if there are 2 jobs for AA in a company and a black man is competing against a poor white man, who do you think the white manager is more likely to hire?
MTO'S WRITERS SUCK SOOOOOOOO TERRIBLY! That is not what she said. The headline is misleading as hell. I swear someone is going to get ya'lls ass in court one day. Just lies or either idiots writing stories. What she said amounts to the old saying "theory w/o action is just as complete as action w/o theory". She didn't say shyt about him ONLY dreaming. She said that it took the actions of a president to help the dream come true.....DUH....she's running for president! lyndon Johnson was a snake but he DID sign the damn legislature. She is making a case for herself not a knock a dr King!
Annie Flag post Do you know about Article I executive powers? Do you know about the law? Even the NY Times has not proclaimed that he has or he has not. Conservative wingnuts don't oppose military commission, kitty. Why don't you want to admit that you are not very knowledgeable on the subject.
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nytimes? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...there is only one group of people who despises the new york times and that's conservative wingnuts. tell me, has rush limbaugh stopped taking drugs yet? o'reilly still having that falafel fettish?
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So, you can't answer. I love the Time, as I cited to it as the main newspaper that I read in an above post. You have to be a "conservative wingnut" to reveal that you are a dummy. You know nothing about what is going on in GB, and the applicable rights that need to be protected. You don't know about military commissions or the protection of judicial process. You know nothing about international law or international human rights. I wrote about the committment of civil rights leaders, while you undermined them. You, like other conservo-hoes, use misinformation and mischaracterization to spread gossip. If I were conservative, I would not hide it. But I AM NOT. What is clear- is that you are stupid. So stupid that you don't even know about the topics your raise. Godd luck in life.
cat4everrr Flag post Annie Flag post Do you know about Article I executive powers? Do you know about the law? Even the NY Times has not proclaimed that he has or he has not.
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if you like the nytimes so much what would leave you with the impression that they would be biased? why not point out the washingtimes instead? go back to freeperville
Confirmation that Kitty Cat is a blissfully ignorant idiot:
In short:
"1) You though habeas was unconstiutional. 2) Did not know about Guantanamo Padilla case. 3) Demonstrated that you did not know that the habeas issue has been resolved. 4) Thought that it was directly relevant to US citizens, as if they would be shipped down there. 5) Expressed no international law concerns about it. 6) And still cited to it to show me how smart you are. 7) Was unable to answer I basic question about military commission when you raised the subject. 8) Resort to calling me conservative when you can't answer the questions.
UNTIL THIS COUNTRY CAN GET RID OF THE "GOOD OLE BOYS" THAT CONTROL THE ELECTORAL VOTES, THAT WILL ALLOW THIS COUNTRY TO HAVE A BLACK PRESIDENT, I'M PUTTING MY VOTE WITH SOMEONE WHO I FEEL HAS MY BEST INTEREST AT HEART. I BEING A SINGLE, BLACK MOTHER FEEL THAT PERSON IS HILLARY AT THIS TIME. LETS FACE IT, THE GOOD OLE BOY SYSTEM WILL PUT A WHITE WOMAN IN OFFICE ANY DAY BEFORE A BLACK MAN. I'M NOT SAYING HE'S NOT QUALIFIED FOR THE JOB, I JUST DON'T SEE OUR WHITE GOVERNMENT LETTING A BLACK MAN HOLD THE HIGHTEST OFFICE IN THE COUNTRY. IF WE COULD COME TOGETHER FOR THE SMALLER ELECTIONS FOR OUR DIFFERENT STATES THEN WE WOULDN'T HAVE THIS PROBLEM. WE WOULD THEN HAVE THE PEOPLE IN OFFICE THAT CAST THE ELECTORAL VOTES THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO HAVE A BLACK PRESIDENT.
Very interesting debate between Katt4ever and Annie....good food for thought today! Thanks you two. Imma have to cosign w/ Katt on this one. Not that my opinion matter much....but hey!
esosteric...I usually agree with eveything you say. But Im trying to figure out how the "coon" title can be given to those who see through Fox's BS on this one. Supporter of Hillary or not this was BS and taken out of context. Let's save the "coon" title for when it's needed. Fox is a HORRIBLE racist network anyway. You got to take everything they report with a grain of salt just like the BS on MTO! OTHER THAN THAT....yall have a beautiful day.
Hey Im with Obama over clinton...of course but as a woman I have to realize that she has to be under attack much in the same way as Obama. I was just thinking about it. Yeah she white, and rich, and a Clinton BUT this is still a white mans system. She got to be feeling the pressure of that hatred shyt just like Obama if not more. I think the nation is stilll more ready for a black MAN president before a white WOMAN. Wow! Thats some shyt. I know she just CAN'T BELIEVE IT!I watched her lil episode on TV last night and put that into perspective. Oh well Ron Paul or Obama in 08.
Annie Flag post Confirmation that Kitty Cat is a blissfully ignorant idiot:
In short:
"1) You though habeas was unconstiutional. 2) Did not know about Guantanamo Padilla case. 3) Demonstrated that you did not know that the habeas issue has been resolved. 4) Thought that it was directly relevant to US citizens, as if they would be shipped down there. 5) Expressed no international law concerns about it. 6) And still cited to it to show me how smart you are. 7) Was unable to answer I basic question about military commission when you raised the subject. 8) Resort to calling me conservative when you can't answer the questions.
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what ever you say little miss conservative
sosincere Flag post Very interesting debate between Katt4ever and Annie....good food for thought today! Thanks you two. Imma have to cosign w/ Katt on this one. Not that my opinion matter much....but hey!
---- Thanks...don't get me wrong tho, i still got love conservatives i just would never vote for one. Don't get mad at me Yusef...lol
I will not trust that she would say anything of that nature...Hilary is a very smart woman....If she even felt that way I dont think she would let those words come out of her mouth, I just dont....I am a black woman who knows and loves Martin Luther King Jr. and everything he stood for, but, I dont think Hilary Clinton would say anything like that...Simple and Plain
It's official, whoever writes for MediaTakeOut is an idiot who suffers from a case of adult ADD. Her statement was clumsy and could have come out better, but no where does she say he "didn't do anything." In essence, all she's saying is that in order for effective, large scale change to occur, you have to have the support of the legislative branch. Her point was that while King's work was monumental in the abolishment of the Jim Crow system, if Johnson or some other leader didn't pass the Civil Rights Act, we could very well still be living in a segregated America. (Which is true when it comes to the laws and policies that govern our country. We've seen with Bush that grass root movements and protests don't work if your elected leader is deaf to his/her constituents. We've been protesting for our troops to return home for how many years and yet he's shot down every effort aimed at doing so. Any measure that he doesn't agree with, he simply vetoes. There is only so much change you can affect when your government is not willing to institute any of it. Which only goes to show just how ineffectual our system of government is.) If anything, her quote was a poor diversion tactic that she used to dodge the issue at hand, but it is no way a slam against Dr. King. I'm not even a Hilary supporter, but this post is just stupid.
That quote whether it is accurate or not is the truth. No where in that quote does it say MARTIN LUTHER KING DIDN'T DO ANYTHING EXCEPT DREAM It says that with a president who will back the fight on racism sh*t gets done. Case in point did you see George Bush go to Jena,La? I didn't even see him consider it...Now maybe I missed something but I feel that anyone of the three candidates on the Demo side would have shown up there as president. Whats happening is they are trying to dog Hillary so she doesn't get the nom but I think it's a set up for the republicans to stay in office. MTO before you talk smack look at the words that she said...You have sensationalized something in a negative light which could effect our country. Shame on you Maya Angelou once said that it is the intention that is important. I find this site to often times be racist. Racism is ugly no matter who it is inflicted upon. I am very sorry that history can be so ugly but can't we try to pull our chips together and make tomorrow wonderful for the sake of all concerned? Everything is a diversion to take your mind and put it right where they want you. Think about it people Oh and Michelle Obama is all up her man's ass making him look totally incompetent but I don't see any body dogging her. He doesn't even look like he picke dout his own socks. How the hell is going to run a country?
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I listened to it and it brings me back to my original question: Why didn't Hillary answer the question as it was posed to her?
Was she confused? They didn't ask her about MLK they asked her 'how she felt that Barack Obama's inspirational message of change was important for the country.'
Hillary...try staying on task and answer the questions as they are posed to you. Stop trying to confuse us. It just shows that you are the one confused.
Clearly she didn't know how to answer the question so she went all the way left.
Hillary...pay attention and get your mind RIGHT!!!
Not that I'm voting for you anyways but these words of wisdom and advise may help you in your future as you look for a new job cuz you WON'T BE PRESIDENT...SORRY!!!
As for the debate between cat4everrr and Annie, I just wish you guys would not resort to name calling.
This is an 'Open Forum' where anyone can express their opinions. And it is just that 'an opinion.'
I have learned a lot for both of you. But I would say to you both, we learn better by setting a 'Positive Example.' We learn, comprehend, absorb and respect the information more when it is presented in a 'Positive manner.'
Please by all means express your opinions and teach but the lessons are accepted better when it is done 'RESPECTFUL!!'
And as always Peace & Love to All!!
I've been home all day w/ the kids, and haven't a heard a peep about this statement on any news medium...MTO get a life! If anything the statement was probably directed at Mr. Obama, in regards to making change happen. That's the biggest argument between the candidates now; which one can actually do it instead of speaking about it.
Besides, although Mr. King (may he rest in peace), was the most influential and powerful force for Civil Rights during that time, he could not accomplish his dreams without Washington's help.
Just give credit where credit is due and stop sensationalizing everything!
Sheluvly Flag post I've been home all day w/ the kids, and haven't a heard a peep about this statement on any news medium...MTO get a life! If anything the statement was probably directed at Mr. Obama, in regards to making change happen. That's the biggest argument between the candidates now; which one can actually do it instead of speaking about it.
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you know i was wondering the same thing. obama ends his stump speech with "can you imagine...." and "can you dream of....". that same thought crossed my mind
After the Civil War, Blacks owned less than one half percent of the country's wealth. Here we are in 2008, and Blacks still own less than one half percent of the country's wealth. The problem with "Civil Rights" is that it only integrated the people, and not the wealth. Whites still earn more wealth, and control more business than their Black counterparts. (even with all things considered equal, education etc.)During the time of segregation, Blacks owned and controlled just about every business venture you can think of. But once we became "integrated" Blacks abandoned their business and ran to the Caucasian. Think of how many of those businesses that may have become the Wal-Marts, or even Microsofts of today had our people witheld, and patronized their own. Of course, we should have the freedom to patronize businesses owned by all ethnic groups, but we should have NEVER ceased to support our own enterprises. People should engage in due dilligence and stop accepting what HIStory and teLIEvision has presented. I implore you to google Civil Rights cases of 1883 and 14th amendment citizenship of 1873. Civil rights is something you grant your pets, when you treat them with compassion. Malcolm was right when he said "our struggle should be for human rights," because the struggle becomes an international struggle, as there are treaties to protect your rights. Concerning Dr. King, as long as he taught Black people to react non-violently in the face of White violence Dr. King's efforts were applauded by many Whites. But when Dr. King extended his philosophy of non-violence into opposition towards the Vietnam war and America's foreign policy this is when the FBI and CIA accelerated their efforts to terminate him.(James Earl Ray admitted that he was a patsy, and did not kill Dr. King, datgurl)Furthermore, Dr. King was building an alliance with Malcolm, and actually began to agree with many of his assertions toward the end of his life. Thus, the powers that be could not allow these two mental powerhouses to continue to exist. So, if you evaluate the totality of the situation, and do some research, you'll find that "The Dream" is yet to be fufilled.
Those still supporting Hillary are INSANE and it shows! This woman is starting to show her true colors..as is her husband. You will see after the beating she receives today in New Hampshire...all the gloves come off. She's just digging holes here and there everyday. She's going to keep digging until it all comes out. She's already played the 'woman card'...she will pull out the 'race card' next. She's already doing it with snide remarks like the MLK one. She actually did say basically that While MLK just dreamed..it took a president (white man) to make the dream a reality. However, MLK is one of the greatest leaders of our time in this country. Everyone loves him. MLK pushed and dreamed and uplifted his people to believe they should have and would one day do better! He worked WITH PRESIDENT JOHNSON to create and pass the civil rights bill..if he had not fought to begin with..there would be no civil rights bill or it would have come much later....
The truth is that words do matter and hope and dreams inspire ACTION! Barack is the man! He is the ONE FOR ALL OF US....NOT JUST BLACKS..but everyone in this country. That's what the dream was all about!!!!
I feel sorry for your pitiful people who can't see past the Clintons 'veil'. For some reasons you are riding them. It's the slave mentality. I've given up on those few who are still behind HRC. You are fools and you will see so in the end!
I don't understand why people resort to name calling and insults when there is a difference of opinion. No one says you have to agree but can't you agree to disagree? Everyone has the right to form their own opinion whether we like it or not, accept it or not. As long as you use your OWN mind and think for YOURSELF.
In the end everyone has to make their own choice. Must we be so hostile because someone else does not share your point of view? Can we not discuss or debate a topic without turning it into low blows and name calling? Are we not all adults here who are supposed to be intelligent and capable of constructive dialogue?
mz_head_diva I BEING A SINGLE, BLACK MOTHER FEEL THAT PERSON IS HILLARY AT THIS TIME. LETS FACE IT, THE GOOD OLE BOY SYSTEM WILL PUT A WHITE WOMAN IN OFFICE ANY DAY BEFORE A BLACK MAN. I'M NOT SAYING HE'S NOT QUALIFIED FOR THE JOB, I JUST DON'T SEE OUR WHITE GOVERNMENT LETTING A BLACK MAN HOLD THE HIGHTEST OFFICE IN THE COUNTRY. ---
how stupid mz_head_diva sounds...don't ya'll agree? come on Clinton supporters admit it...Mz_head_diva sounds stupid
mzarrogance when u care about what whites think of you it takes away from your blackness, individuality and progress as a black person. how can one be beneficial to the community when pretending in their minds that they aren't black? this is the true breakdown of our community. this is why stereotypes on television, etc. become relevant b/c mostly blacks feed into this and become 'embarrassed' to be black. by doing this, you abandon the community who needs you more than whites. it becomes a snowball effect and welcome to 2008. ---
thank you! i agree with this statement 100%
kalpitone40 Furthermore, what she was implying with respect to Obama, was that he is ONLY a DREAMER and not a true agent of or for change. In other words, his dream can only be fulfilled through HER action as a president is what she was really implying. Well, I believe that OBAMA will be as effective if not MORE EFFECTIVE at making change as she has been iterating like a broken record as of late, when HE IS ELECTED PRESIDENT OF THESE UNITED STATES. I see that so many of the blacks who post here are sadly, extremely white-washed. You are quick to insult your own in support of a non-black person in your quest to be accepted and feel less black and less ignorant in the site of white people.
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to those people on this site that are so quick to defend Hillary's comment you should also try reading between her lines...no matter how intelligent you may think you are when you can't read between the lines you come off as dumb and ignorant as those you are trying to belittle...Hillary is basically calling Obama a dreamer that would never have the power to make those dreams a reality...she is stating that she is the only person that can take HIS dreams and make them come true. We this is not the 1960's...and she is not LBJ...Obama may be a dreamer but he has millions of willing followers and we are not AFRAID to have this man as our president
GoodLove
You are so ignorant! I'm sorry. I don't want to be respectful because some of you deserve no respect!
You dare say that Mr. Obama looks like he can't pick out his own suit but that his wife probably does. Well, I am married to a wonderful man like Mr. Obama....well educated and successful black man btw. I sometimes help him pick out his suits as he may help me pick out one (or a dress or whatever). What does that have to do with anything. This is what husbands and wives do.
Sounds like you are just jealous that this is a wonderful--well educated,articulate black man (that you will likely never share your life with..not with that funky attitude!)--and he has a wonderful, intelligent, articulate wife. How is she making her husband look bad? She COMPLIMENTS HIM...that's what's called equally yoked. People love them both....and everyone is commenting on how much Michelle compliments 'her man' (your words..not mine..too ghetto for me).
I'm sick of you people. It's a sad day when you see cottonpickin negroes in the year 2008..kissing a white womans behind while knocking there own (when he certainly doesn't deserve to be knocked).
Also...this country is fed up with Republicans....TRUST ME..I Actually follow politics and have for years. I didn't just start now like some of you. I have friends high up in Washington and I KNOW that even Republicans themselves are SICK of their own! It's being proven because many are now siding with OBAMA!!!! Are you nuts! A Republican CAN NOT win the next election---regardless of who is on the Democratic side! It won't happen because people are SICK of that [EXPLETIVE] in this country. Do you see people coming out in DROVES to vote in these primaries???????? Are you nuts??? Even reporters and people in the political arena for years are saying they've never seen ANYTHING like what they've seen in terms of support for Obama or an election period! That says people are ready for change.
The WORLD is watching this election. The only way these people can win is if they steal the election...but people are hip to that now after the last two elections. They will never get in office again...EVER if they make that mistake again. They know they are defeated now! A democrat will win and I'm betting on Obama!!! (Also, I am an Independent btw...I've never been affiliated with either party..nor wish to be...I love Obama because he is a wonderful candidate and would be Great for OUR COUNTRY as a whole. Look around the world...THE WORLD is excited about this man...not just people in America. It's a big deal honey....it's not a joke. You can believe what you wish but you will look like a fool in the end!
@wannaknowwhatsup I will probably vote for Hillary because I agree with her politics. It does not make sense to vote for someone because they are black, as it appears others are doing. Hillary is a proponent of race based affirmative action, while Obama supports sharing affirmative action with poor whites.
Would you vote for Clarence Thomas or anyone who you think may sell you out just because they are black? pls read below
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MTO is taking Hillary’s statement out of context I may vote for her because I agree with her stance on affirmative action and what she will do to preserve Dr. Kings dream while she is president.
Pls read the links above. I donated to Obama's campaign before these news stories broke that he is not a proponent of race based affirmative action and now I am not so sure that I can still support him. Because due to racism that still exists in this country affirmative action is still needed to help blacks gain employment and equal access to education. We can not allow our affirmative action programs to include poor whites as Obama appears to be considering. Our forefathers fought and died during the civil rights movement for equal access to jobs, that affirmative action is supposed to help enforce and we can not loose these gains, due to the lack of support of our "own" (Obama) politicians. I am not sure why Obama does not appear to have the same concern as many African Americans do regarding the need to safe guard the few gains that we have received due to affirmative action. Can it be that he is out of touch with the Afro- American community because of his upbringing (raised by white family) or privileged life or not being a descendent of slaves? Because of this reason and others I may vote for Clinton, although she is white she agrees with maintaining race based affirmative action, from what I have read. Black Dr.s and Lawyers couldn’t even get a decent job before the civil rights movement and affirmative action. Many black Dr.s , lawyers and professionals were porters on trains, due to racism. Many of our people could not feed their families. This racism still exists; many Afro- Americans would not be hired today, even though they are the best candidate for the job if it were not for corporation’s affirmative action initiatives. Whites tend to hire whites even unqualified whites.
Would you vote for Clarence Thomas or anyone who you think may sell you out just because they are black?
Pls read this link [link to external website removed] An excerpt is below we can not allow white racists to use Obama against us to end race based affirmative action. As African Americans we need our jobs and our small businesses, whites usually hire even unqualified whites and white corporations tend to purchase their goods from white businesses owners. Race based affirmative action is still needed.
The End of Affirmative Action--First Alterman, Now Obama? Even Barack Obama, under pressure from George Stephanopoulos, seemed to be abandoning the affirmative action idea and shifting toward embracing a class-based preference system, notes Roger Clegg. ... This is more than a potential 'Sister Souljah moment' for Obama. Obama would not be showing that he can reject the more extreme, wacky positions of his party's component interest groups. He'd be showing he's rejecting what has been a central and widely accepted demand of an interest group with which he is inevitably identified. He's not quite there yet--and maybe he'll have to backtrack after his ABC This Week comments--but he's at least on the verge of giving voters not merely a reason to not oppose him, but a big reason to support him--the prospect that President Obama will end race preferences and the long, divisive debate they generate. Hillary cannot make that promise. Her husband famously balked at making exactly the shift--from race to class--that Obama seemed to endorse. And even if Hillary made that leap, she couldn't shift African-American opinion away from race preferences the way a black president could shift African-American opinion. She can't put the issue to rest. Obama can. ... P.S.: I blame Jennifer Gratz. Michigan's stunning 2006 anti-preference vote is still resonating. Pols paid attention even if the press didn't. ...
Gemini 615 Sometimes God let's us know whose time it is and I think God has spoken!
The good old boy system won't let...URGH..it irritates me to even read that! Why even live, why even dream,why even hope, why even run for president or do anything since the 'good ole boys' control everything in the world....LOL. Honey, you need to get out of that mindset. When the people speak...and they are speaking now..they have woken up after these 8 HELLISH years with Bush..there is nothing 'they' can do. I'm so happy that people are ENGAGED and INVOLVED in this election because PEOPLE CAN AND DO BRING ABOUT CHANGE.
Just think if Harriet Tubman and others like her had said..."well, what is the point in trying to make ourselves free???? The "man" doesn't want us to be free and won't ever allow us to be free". Or Martin Luther King (To quote Ariana Huffington of the Huffington Post..bet you don't even know who that is)... MLK's didn't say Well, all we should hope for is to get to the middle of the bus. The front is a long shot. I have a dream but I'm going to settle for reality." Where would your behind be if these were this mans thoughts and the thoughts of others who fought like him.
Again, some of you here make me sick! You are so ignorant and don't even know it. Educate yourselves PLEASE and don't just get all of your news from CNN, FOX or you local news stations either. READ!!!!!!!!!! There is so much information out there nationally and internationally...Educate yourselves!
awesomewoman Flag post I don't understand why people resort to name calling and insults when there is a difference of opinion. No one says you have to agree but can't you agree to disagree? Everyone has the right to form their own opinion whether we like it or not, accept it or not. As long as you use your OWN mind and think for YOURSELF.
In the end everyone has to make their own choice. Must we be so hostile because someone else does not share your point of view? Can we not discuss or debate a topic without turning it into low blows and name calling? Are we not all adults here who are supposed to be intelligent and capable of constructive dialogue?
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co-sign, in fact i think it's pretty ignorant
now now people i am sure most if not all of us have been to school.we all are intitled to our own opinions.there is a lot of judgmentality on this subject,it is only an opinion some of do not know any better, if we have not had the proper education....so let people voice what they feel it is all good.it certainly makes for good conversation and remember there is one race the (HUMAN RACE)!!DO NOT LET ANYONE STEAL YOUR JOY PEOPLE OK..............THAT IS MY OPINION
she's desperate now. will say anything to knock him down because her agenda has falled flat.
When asked in the Q&A how does she do it...she gave the wrong answer: instead of crying 'it's hard to do this every day'... what the right answer would have been and what she should have said was "this is my dream...I love campaigning and I wake up with enthusiam to do this...this is my life's culmination of desire." she already lost.
Real66
Please! I assure you that I am well informed. You are putting up articles from those ignorant biased sites. None of that information surprises me at all...lol.
Also, why would it be bad to share Affirmative Actions rights with poor whites? Don't you know that poor whites are treated as bad as or worse than other minorities in this country. Poor whites are supporting Barack because they want change too. They also have hope for a better day in America. Black people don't have the excuse anymore. Many of us (including my own family) are doing well. Yes, I know that many are not but a lot of that has to do with the mentality of many within OUR OWN race and has little or nothing to do with white America ...we are destroying ourselves enough..we don't need their help and they know that! You are full of it.
Again, BARACK OBAMA IS NOT RUNNING AS THE BLACK PEOPLES PRESIDENT. HE is running as president of the UNITED STATES---ALL OF US---WHITE, BLUE, BROWN or PINK! This is what is great about him. I'm not supporting him because he is black either. I just like the man..he could be white, he could be Asian..I wouldn't give a damn...but yes, it's a plus that he is black too!
I don't think Barack should ever run as the black peoples president because that would destroy his campaign totally. He's being supported by ALL right now because he is FOR EVERYONE! That is why people are so drawn to him. If you can't see that you are nuts!
It's time that this county have an inclusive president who can not only connect with EVERYONE in this country but with EVERYONE around the world too. Do you know they are celebrating in Ireland and Germany and all over Europe, Canada, Africa...everywhere around the world for this man. Do you realize what peace and joy this man would bring around the world??? Do you realize the power this man's HOPE and CHANGE mantra has?????????? ARound the WORLD not just in the U.S.??????
You don't know.... you are not informed. Please educate yourself and don't believe those white websites that are trying to pull anything out of the 'magicians hat' to pull Obama down now. The first place they will try to hit him is with his own people. They'll send flyers out to the churches, they'll get some 'civil rights leaders' (HA!) to talk Barack down. They'll pay and do anything to dwindle his support with blacks....LOL. You should know the game. However, guess what???? Barack has a HUGE white following out there and he really won't need the white vote if things keep going the way they are. So those of you not supporting him....and still want to support Hillary..keep doing so and you will see what happens. What happens when Hillary runs out of money (as she is now) and loses the support of her party (which she is starting to). Who are you going to support then???? The Republican Nominee??? It wouldn't surprise me..House/Kitchen Negroes/Field Negroes never surprise me! The modern day slaves...LOL.
@Wanna
If a 1/2 white 1/2 native American, who grew up raised by his white family off of the reservation, went back to the reservation and asked his native American Indian people to support him in giving some of their casinos away to poor whites, they would toss him off of that reservation. We should not be sharing the few crumbs that we have received via our forefathers struggle during the civil rights movement with poor whites. Whites are still hiring unqualified poor whites. Historically sharing with poor whites means whites getting all the benefit in the end. Even now affirmative action has been so watered down that many white women have benefited from it over blacks, now Obama wants to include poor white men? So if there are 2 jobs for AA in a company and a black man is competing against a poor white man and a white woman, who do you think the white manager is more likely to hire?
real66 Flag post @wannaknowwhatsup I will probably vote for Hillary because I agree with her politics. It does not make sense to vote for someone because they are black, as it appears others are doing. Hillary is a proponent of race based affirmative action, while Obama supports sharing affirmative action with poor whites.
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i didn't find that out until yesterday. that is disapointing.
Real66
I'm sorry but I don't think like you do about our people. I don't think we have a 'few crumbs'. I know way too many educated and well off blacks who got there by WORKING hard and Educating themselves. I'm sorry...I just can't get into that type of thinking...that Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton [EXPLETIVE]! Yes, I know that a lot of our people are not doing well but I know that TODAY a lot of it has to do with the mentality of OUR people.
When Barack gets into office my hope is that we will be on our way to not NEEDING Affirmative Action. Afterall if a black man can get into the white house..then what's everyone elses excuse?????
Many have made it w/o Affirmative Action believe it or not. Yes, Affirmative action was a good thing but it needs to go because it creates divisiveness in our country. We don't need that anymore and that is why having a president like Barack Obama is great for ALL OF US. He is for ALL of us. People are sick of being divided and believe it or not..that includes whites! I live in a very well to do area in Georgia. Lots of whites in my area and many well off blacks. We get along just fine day to day. Most people in this country do. Yes, there are extremes and racism/predjudices out there but in general most of us all want the same thing. To live well and in peace. Barack represents that for many!
I'm not worried about any Casinos. I'm sure most people are not thinking about Casinos on an Indian reservation..which is itself is not a good thing by the way. There is a lot of crime, suicide, alcoholism, drug addiction and debt on Indian reservations... those are the issues you should be concerned with. Some of that stems from Casinos being there. Again, inform yoursef and worry about the important issues!
@cat4everrr, thanks for the compliment, i just believe in being inshape. I am a Federal Law Enforcement officer, rather high up...I don't wear uniforms...LOL...and i don't believe u can truly be in a position to protect people and u can run, carry or do all the other things that may be required of someone in that position. LOL my division is special some of the most inshape Law enforcement officals you will see, Thanks to Uncle Sam for paying for our gym membership fees and traning!
muscleman19 Flag post @cat4everrr, thanks for the compliment, i just believe in being inshape. I am a Federal Law Enforcement officer, rather high up...I don't wear uniforms...LOL...and i don't believe u can truly be in a position to protect people and u can run, carry or do all the other things that may be required of someone in that position. LOL my division is special some of the most inshape Law enforcement officals you will see, Thanks to Uncle Sam for paying for our gym membership fees and traning!
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actually i was complimenting your intellect, but since you brought it up that body ain't so bad either...shhhhhhhhhh..lol
@Wanna, Ask your Grandmothers and Grandfathers Black Dr.s and Lawyers couldn’t even get a decent job before the civil rights movement and affirmative action. Many black Dr.s , lawyers and professionals were porters on trains, due to racism. Many of our people could not feed their families. This racism still exists; many Afro- Americans would not be hired today, even though they are the best candidate for the job if it were not for corporation’s affirmative action initiatives. Whites tend to hire whites even unqualified whites.
real66 Flag post
@Wanna, Ask your Grandmothers and Grandfathers Black Dr.s and Lawyers couldn’t even get a decent job before the civil rights movement and affirmative action. Many black Dr.s , lawyers and professionals were porters on trains, due to racism. Many of our people could not feed their families. This racism still exists; many Afro- Americans would not be hired today, even though they are the best candidate for the job if it were not for corporation’s affirmative action initiatives. Whites tend to hire whites even unqualified whites.
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i feel ya. women owned business only represented 3 percented of contracts awarded by the government. i'm right there with ya
real66 Flag post @wanna
As far as the Casinos they are paying for scholarships on Indian res and generally helping them financially. Casinos have drawbacks, but they are giving Indians millions of dollars to the ones that want to better their lives. Mostly whites spend their money in the Casinos.
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unless the laws were recently changed it's also tax free
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When she talked about the dream, she was just simply saying that it took LBJ to realize MLK's dream...and he took his political muscle to make MLK's DREAM a reality. i'm so confused how anyone could take that out of context. u can be the strongest leader in the world, but if u don't have "clout" with your government...then how is change going to happen. She simply meant that MLK, gave LBJ the vision to make his DREAM reality. No different then if someone starts a business, usually a DREAM they have, if they need a loan it won't happen without the BANK helping you accomplish that dream, you have the DREAM, they have the MONEY power to make that happen. MLK had the DREAM, LBJ had the POLITICAL power to make it happen. She is more than acknowledging MLK for his contributions, if anything she's saying she'll listen to someone if they have a DREAM and use her power as president that make it happen, especially if it benefits the country!
At least I'm not the only one who doesn't see this as an insult. In no way is she discrediting what MLK did. MLK took the first step in starting a revolution, and that first step is always the hardest. It's far easier to follow than it is to lead. But even with initiative and strong will, nothing can be accomplished without power. LBJ had that power. He had the power of the government behind him, and the power of his skillful mind, which he used to play senators against each other. Without that there would have been no civil rights laws of 1964 or any after that. No president in the history of the United States has ever done as much for black people as Johnson. It's just a shame that his legacy will always mainly be connected with Vietnam.
That's why I hold LBJ and MLK in the same regard. One without the other would have never worked. So no, she's not discrediting one or the other, she's just saying that you can't have one without the other. There can be no action without having dreamed of it first, and dreams are nothing without action.
@wanna
Hillary and Bill have stood up for affirmative action and other issues relevant to black lives in America. Just because Obama is 1/2 African and 1/2 white does not mean he has an agenda that is in alignment with the best interests of most Black Americans. You must do your research. The Black families lives are dependent on our jobs and businesses, so this is on the top of my agenda and I can not vote for a candidate that I believe will harm our financial situation, by sharing our AA with poor whites.
muscleman19 Flag post @cat4everrr, I'm loving how you jumping on 'em! I'm in agreement with you...LOL...dang you really staying on top of this one...u want a job with us? LOL we need more people like you working with us...
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i bet there a lot of woman on this thread that wouldn't mind jumping on you. since i'm married i should point out that a thought like that would never enter my mind. i'm just speaking for the other ladies
@Wanna
You may not see it until it affects you but you and your friends in that mixed neighborhood are the few and your position is tenuous at best. If you or your husband looses your jobs due to downsizing and the white VPs keep all of their unqualified white friends/coworkers you may understand how the rest of us feel. When you have to put that For sale sign on your home because unemployed blacks black owned bankrupt companies can not afford to purchase your services and Whites and Asians purchase from their own people then you may understand why we still need AA. I know plenty of unemployed or underemployed blacks with many professional degrees as I own an employment agency. And I have seen many wrong doings of these white owned corporations.
"It's officially a wrap for her campaign..." lmao umm as for what she really said, i don't kno how to look at her quote, cause on the title off the story it says "HILLARY'S EXPLOSIVE ASSERTION TO FOX NEWS: MARTIN LUTHER KING DIDN'T DO ANYTHING EXCEPT DREAM" yet she didn't say those words but yea ya just tring to get ya site visited more thats all.
Sorry MTO, I think that this one was taken out of context. I am sure that her "damage control" peeps will have this cleared up quite quickly.
Many of us still have made props for the Clintons. I know that Hillary is trying hard, but she is losing the support of many in Black America.
Ok, turn around put your handz up and EMBRACE----- O B A M A 08!
real66
As for the Casinos. Get Real! How man American Indians actually hold a college degree? How man actually use those funds to attend college? Have you been to an Indian Reservation? Do you have a real Indian card..or are you just saying that you are Indian? If you were to ever go to an Indian Reservation you would see the disparity there and MANY do not want the casinos there! It's ruining there 'community'.
So I don't see how you can defend Casinos on Indian reservations. Again, I am well informed on many issues. However, this issue is not one that is of importance to me at the moment. I only responded to it because you brought it up.
Also, Again, I hope for a world where Affirmative Action will not be needed and I see nothing wrong with sharing Affirmative Action (which benefits ALL minorities and WOMEN of all races..including white ones by the way anyway!..NOT JUST BLACKS). Having a man like Barack Obama in office---regardless of his color--who is inclusive of ALL of us not just blacks or whites or whoever is GREAT FOR THIS COUNTRY and for the world (because the president of the U.S. is basically president of the whole world). Do you really expect to live in a world where Affirmative Action is always going to be in place or needed??? Get real! You should want more for yourself and your children. Have a little Hope! I think it would be wonderful to live in a country where Affirmative Action is not needed. I'm looking forward to the day when black people stop making excuses for themselves and get off their lazy behinds and get to work FOR THEMSELVES and get an education for THEMSELVES and FIX their own problems in their own communities!!!!!!!!!!
Again this is 2008...not 1908!! Get ready for change. I think some of you are afraid that if this man wins (and he will win!) that you won't have any more excuses. You'll have to get off your butts and do something with yourselves because the whole world will be watching!
Also, you asked who I'd want to help get me to the underground railroad if I were a slave..a quaker or a 'house negro'..well, I'd like to think I would be a fighter and I'd get myself there or be the one leading others to it. I don't wait on handouts or help from others. Never have. Never will.
You've just inspired me to go donate more Money to Obamas Campaign. I donate regularly--as do many of his supporters---white, black, brown and blue. I already gave this month but I want to give again this month and I will keep giving! Hillary's money is running out.....lol. Obamas is not!
People are always so ready to jump on a whte person for mentioning a black person. I'd like to know the "wrong" in that statement? MLK didn't have power to sign or veto a bill... he had a power to speak to the morality of people and to bring issues into the forefront. HAD LBJ not signed the civil rights bill ..... it wouldnt have been enacted.... The civil righs act took the efforts of King, LBJ, as well as all of the numerous other americans who foght for change.
@Wanna
I never said that I was an Indian. I am definitely black. I have visited the res, however before the casinos they were worse off then they are now. They have been able to use that money to build schools etc.. You don't believe that you personally need AA, because you "think" that you are well off, so you don't appear to be to be concerned about how loosing any part of it will negatively affect our less fortunate black brothers or sisters.
@gemini615, LOL...what's that have to do with this topic. Glad you pointed that out, I'm curious to see how many people believe in Civil Rights, but condemn homosexuality. I'm glad you pointed that out, who gonna start the bashing on gays now? Just like whites use to do one blacks..well HELL still do. I guess the human race will never progress in all areas...
PS she has a point .... BARAK if president will have to fight everystep of the way .. especially in a republican controlled senate .... and look in history ... a president w/o the backing of congress is VERY VERY limited. The system of checks and balances is a muther..... Hopefully if barak is elected he can effectively get enough support in congress to back him prior to going in. It would be petty if the republicans tune him out and refuse to hear him just because he is black.
Also Real66
Sorry...my husband and I plan very well. My husband doesn't have to work for anyone..as his profession allows him to be a 'free agent'. He's an attorney and a good and successful one I might add. Also my career is not one where I have to work for anyone either. I'm in Finance. However, we also own a business together that is run from home.
We plan. Thank God we are able to invest and plan because we don't want handouts and are able to support ourselves fully and our children without any help. Yes, I am thankful and know we are fortunate but at the same time I know it's because we are just smart too..we invest wisely, we plan for hard times. We prepared ourselves and continue to do so.We don't have to worry about our home, or our kids educations. I'm thankful but also very happy we had and have the sense to prepare!
I don't feel sorry for many blacks today. Sorry, unless you are just elderly or downright poor and don't know any better (country, backward, with no way out poor)--everyone else..I don't feel sorry for you. If you are able bodied, able to learn, able to work...GET TO IT! Stop making excuses! Everyone, including me is sick of them!
This is the problem..many black people don't prepare at all for themselves or their kids. They'd rather buy tennis shoes and jeans and rims for themselves and their kids--they are more concerned with LOOKING LIKE THEY HAVE--rather than actually having! That's not anyone's fault other than black people honestly...in 2008 there is no excuse any longer for MANY. They don't prepare themselves with education. When they do they get degrees in low paying fields---sociology, psychology....crap.
@wanna
You can hope but we are not in a world in which AA is not needed we live in 2008 in a world of obvious racism, in which blacks are still physically and financially feeling the affects of racism and the after effects of slavery. AA is supposed to be a safeguard to try to right these wrongs and we need stronger laws not dissolution of AA by handing some of it over to poor whites. Obama may not understand this because he was raised by a white family and was not the descendent of slaves. So that may be why he wants to share AA with poor whites.
Real66--
It's obvious that we'll have to agree to disagree. I don't mean to offend. I'm just passionate about my views regarding these issues. If you don't want to support Obama that is your right and everyone elses right. I think you are making the wrong decision....lol but again, it's your right. You want to be on crutches, asking for handouts, thinking the 'white man/woman' is your only hope and saviour. That's you. I don't understand it but I respect your choice. This ends the convo for me.
@ muscleman19
Hey...i just wanted all those women that may be drooling over your overly muscular body to know that you are gay...i mean it's all good...i don't have any hatred for you as a person...do you. I'm not judgmental at all...all i said was that you were gay...that's all...nothing else. Its ok...really.
Back to the topic at hand...Obama has my vote because I believe in him as a person. I think he would make a great leader and believe that he is not interested in the 'politics' of the past. We need something different because what we've had obviously has not been working. I do believe that Hillary was trying to be underhanded in her comment but Hillary is just being Hillary. I don't believe she was saying anything against MLK but she was trying to be slick with Obama...that is how I see it and will continue to see it.
Real66
Yes, and I will continue to HOPE! I didn't say that Affirmative Action should disappear today but it will disappear eventually. WE as a people need to WORK toward a nation where AA is NOT NEEDED. That is why I said it is my hope that one day AA is not needed and trust me..one day it will not be needed and that day may come sooner than you think! I am a believer..not a dreamer. I don't believe in excuses however and I think many use AA as a crutch and it has probably done more harm to African Americans and caused more divisiveness in this country than anything else. It needs to go and I look forward to the day that it will go! That's it!
@Wanna
The establishment has been targeting our black attorneys for some time now and taking away their licenses, so no one is safe. The bell may toll for you as well. I pray that your family never has to encounter this situation. But also I pray you would have more empathy for our black brothers who are less fortunate than you are. I also hold graduate degrees, a home, property and a business, but I care deeply for what happens to our people and will probably vote for Hillary as she is for race based AA and Obama wants to share AA with poor whites. Most black people are very hard working, but racism is still holding us back, again I hope you never encounter racism that destroys your hopes and your plans. “The best laid plans of mice and men….”.
GIMME a F*ckin' BREAK MTO and everyone else that instead of taking the quote in CONTEXT, jumped right on the dumb n*gga bandwagon.
That is NOT what she said. She simply said that thanks to what MLK stood for and "dreamed" of AND the fact that at the time we had a president of ACTION, MLK's dream was realized.
CLEARLY, it was IMPOSSIBLE for MLK to DO anything without the help of a white person in power. That's just a FACT. Even TODAY, major world issues are NOT SOLVED without a person in significant political power making it LAW -- even a Governor is a nobody compared to a PRESIDENT. Plain and simple!
wannaknowhatsup... ?????????????????????????????????? I totally wouldnt have expected you based on your previous comments to actually think AA was a hinderance to blacks not a help? WOW!!!! yA THINK YOU KNOW A PERSON.....LOL But in actuality AA has helped more WHITE WOMEN than it has ever done for minorities. Statistics prove that. It was meant as a safegaurd...well even the safegaurd needs a safegaurd. AA is still very much needed but not with Bbaby Bush's damn cutting of the funding for the EEOC, AA cases have NO muscle behind them to enforce it. You can complain till you turn Blue in the face to the EEOC about discrimination. If you don't have the dough for a GOOD attorney it is pointless. And they also made it to where most companies have employees sign a arbitration agreement as a condition of hire so that it even furthere errodes you rights on descrimination complaints. I am super cool on opening the shyt up to poor whites. Get it together for who it was intended for first THEN invite in others! Poor don't have shyt to do with AA. That is strictly a cultural diversity thing...unless he talking about the culture of POVERTY! (YEP ALL POOR PEOPLE WANT MORE MONEY. THERE YOU GO!)
I am not into politics at all but MTO, you are a bunch of mess. You are always taking somebody's words and turn them into a major uproar.
What the lady said is the truth. Dr. King's dream became a reality when the act was put into law. All the hard work and the loss of his life gave proof to the Act.
He couldn't have done what he wanted by himself, the people with the power had to help him make history. So hillary is correct in her analogy.
To all the little kids on this site who post without reading and understanding the context of information should go back to school/ or stay in shool because obviously you are not ready for this society.
I can't believe people on here are so ignorant. She stated a fact. If the civil rights bill was not signed, quite a few of of MLK's dreams and things he wanted to accomplish would not been done(at least when he was alive). Its the case for most politians who are trying to get a bill inacted. You need government help for ideas of things you want done for your constituents. Why is that so hard for people to comprehend???Please study your government (local and national) before you respond stupidly. How in the world some of yall are even agreeing with MTO is astounding!!!!
Real66 Really, we are going to have to agree to disagree. Please don't worry about myself or my husband..or his license...lol. Trust me..we are fine and will continue to be. Also, we don't live in fear of the 'establishment'.
To get back to the issue. I do care for SOME of our people but I'm sorry a lot of our people really need to get their [EXPLETIVE] together! It's time to get off those crutches. AA is a crutch for many! Also blacks are their own worse enemy. Look at what's going on here with blacks actually beating up a successful, intelligent, viable candidate who happens to be black like them??? If they can't vote for him..who can they vote for? P.Diddy? Give me a break! It's a shame. However, I must say that MOST blacks are standing with Obama and starting to see the light everyday..so I'm not talking about everyone.
And again, what's wrong with sharing AA with poor whites! I care for ALL people..not just blacks. I don't want to see anyone in our country doing badly at all. Poor whites are treated poorly in this country and so are other minorities and others. They aren't crying about it though. Many other minorities are doing better than many blacks and they aren't crying..they just go to work and do for themselves (Hispanics and Asians are great examples..they help themselves!).
The truth is that blacks are the only ones feeling 'shafted' in this country. POOR people and middle class people of ALL races are. And again, most people are not racist..Most are just living day to day and get along fine. This is why most love Obama!
the polling numbers for new hampshire are starting to roll in. here's what it looks like so far-
Dixville Notch got the voting under way. The results:
John McCain 4 votes Mitt Romney 2 votes Rudy Giuliani 1 vote Barack Obama 7 votes John Edwards 2 votes Bill Richardson 1 vote
In Hart's Location...
McCain 6 votes Mike Huckabee 5 votes Ron Paul 4 votes Romney 1 vote Obama 9 votes Hillary Clinton 3 votes Edwards 1 vote
it's looking pretty good for obama right now but the night is still early
What does musclemann's sexuality have to do with anything here? Just because we admire the package doesn't mean we wanna buy it. Nothing wrong with window shopping. But it's still neither here nor there and has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Putting that man's business out there like that was just trivial.
I'll have to read this for myself, in its entirety. MTO has a habit of blowing titles way out of proportion! As much as President Clinton was loved by black people, I can't believe Hillary would say something stupid.
Dr. King did have BIG dreams and he hoped one day the country would rise up to make those dreams come true. Lyndon Johnson helped him with make some of those dreams legal.
WANNAKNOWWHATSUP.... HONEY A DIRT POOR ASS WHITE BOY CAN PUT ON A CLEAN SUIT AND GO TO A INTERVIEW AND TAKE HIS ASS BACK TO THE TRAILER PARK AND GET THE JOB a MIDDLE CLASS BROTHA CAN GET OUT A CAB AND GET PLAYED. AA IS ABOUT RACIAL DESCRIMINATION NOT CLASSISM. DONT MIX THE TWO. IF YOU CARE ABOUT CLASSISM FIGHT THAT FIGHT IN A DIFFERENT ARENA. IF YOU OPEN THE FLOODGATES TO POOR WHITES IT DESTROYS THE INTENDED PURPOSE!......SORRY FOR THE CAPS. IM NOT SCREAMING JUST TO LAZY TO HIT THE CAP BUTTON!
@wanna
You believe that AA causes divisiveness in this country? I am sorry but I don't care what some white people think about blacks having a safeguard for decent employment. I don't care if some white people do not like AA. "Blacks" like you and Obama are too concerned about what whites think. I know that he was raised by whites and that both of you live around whites but pls do not allow them to confuse you into turning your backs on our black people.
@wannaknowwhatsup: I agree. We all may share an ancestry from the same country but who can speak for so many ideologies? Al? no. Jesse? No. We speak for ourselves. The Clintons are getting down out nasty because Obama is beating them. You see she hasn't targeted any other candidate either.
Today Hillary said that Obama is giving America "false" hope. How? Why? She needs to prove what she says.
The main problem many people have with Obama is that he includes ALL people and not just some self-interest groups. I'll listen to more of what he has to say because I haven't heard any of his strategies yet.
Hello All. This is my first mediatakeout post but I just felt compelled to post this article from the ny times-- the link follows for validation purposes.
The mediatakeout lead in was ineffective and did leave a lot of questions unanswered but this article pretty much sums up the back and forth banter that led up to Clinton's comment. Might I add the comment of one of her supporters that introduced her b/f a rally today was far more offensive (as mentioned in the times article) and although it didn't come from Clinton's mouth you would think she'd feel somewhat obligated to check the comment b/f beginning her speech.
Clinton’s Civil Rights Lesson By SARAH WHEATON DOVER, N.H. — As they barnstorm through New Hampshire, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton and her husband are often introduced by supporters who once backed another candidate but converted to her cause. Today, in Dover, Francine Torge, a former John Edwards supporter, said this while introducing Mrs. Clinton: “Some people compare one of the other candidates to John F. Kennedy. But he was assassinated. And Lyndon Baines Johnson was the one who actually” passed the civil rights legislation. The comment, an apparent reference to Senator Barack Obama, is particularly striking given documented fears among blacks that Mr. Obama will be assassinated if elected. Phil Singer, a Clinton spokesman said: “We were not aware that this person was going to make those comments and disapprove of them completely. They were totally inappropriate.”
Mrs. Clinton’s expression did not change noticeably when Ms. Torge made the comment. Only a few hours later, she brought up the civil rights legislation herself in remarks to a Fox News correspondent. Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Obama have been in a running feud arising from her suggestion at Saturday’s debate that he was raising “false hope.” Mr. Obama responded that Mr. Kennedy did not decide going to the moon was a false hope and that Martin Luther King, Jr. did not see ending segregation as such. “Dr. King’s dream began to be realized when President Johnson passed the Civil Rights Act,” Mrs. Clinton said when asked about Mr. Obama’s rejoinder by Fox’s Major Garrett after her speech in Dover. “It took a president to get it done.” The Obama campaign declined to comment on either of those remarks. Later, during an appearance in Salem, Mrs. Clinton refined her remarks on Fox: “You know, today Senator Obama used President John F. Kennedy and Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. to criticize me. He basically compared himself to our greatest heroes because they gave great speeches. “President Kennedy was in Congress for 14 years. He was a war hero. He was a man of great accomplishments and readiness to be president. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. led a movement. He was gassed. He was beaten. He was jailed. And he gave a speech that was one of the most beautifully, profoundly important speeches ever written in America, the “I have a dream” speech. “And then he worked with President Johnson to get the civil rights laws passed, because the dream couldn’t be realized until finally it was legally permissible for people of all colors and backgrounds and races and ethnicities to be accepted as citizens. “I’m running for president because I believe that there is not a contradiction between experience and change.”
I appreciate everyone's right to an opinion, even your's cat4everr but it is a somewhat logically flawed argument to cast everyone who disagrees with you as an idiot. I think what some of the people are trying to say, at least speaking for myself what I feel, is that Clinton was trying to create an analogy between King and Obama to lead the audience to further deduce that dreaming and hoping are not presidential characteristics--action is. I say all of these things are and I do think it was offensive that she initially did minimize the SIGNIFICANCE the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King played in attaining rights for people of color and that she allowed someone to make light of the JFK assassination before introducing her.
I don't think anyone on this site is trying to say, "What's she talking about, MLK ended segregation, he passed a law" but clearly his dream, devotion and dedication galvanized the masses and created the momentum necessary to push a movement. His martyr-like assassination led his followers to demand change. One of MLK's favorite quotations was "Power conceded nothing without demand" that should be enough said.
I think it's cool that people are debating about politics, but if we feel we are smarter than everyone else try to enlighten, not condescend. We are all a very intelligent, beautiful and blessed people and we won't get anywhere by tearing each other down, we've got to start building each other up.
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real66 you don't know me at all to make such an assumption. I'm black and I'm proud to be black but I am a doer.I don't make excuses. Our children are not being raised to make excuses. They attend great schools where they are doing well and top their classes in predominately white schools in an area where many black are doing well and the playing field is pretty level. You don't know what we do for our people. We have probably done more work than you have (as many well off and upper middle class blacks have)..so let's not go there. I believe in helping those who can not help themselves. I don't believe in giving blanket handouts to ANY group of people.
I don't support blacks being lazy and making excuses and YES, I do believe that many blacks use AA as a crutch and also even WITH AA MANY blacks aren't taking advantage of it by going to school or even working in professional environments. You know that. So yes, AA is there but how many are even taking advantage of AA?????? Like you said..white women ARE taking the advantage. Many blacks..even when you put policies into place for them do not take advantage . You could put out a policy to say ALL BLACKS CAN GO TO COLLEGE FOR FREE and MANY blacks STILL will not go! You know that and I know that. So the problem is with blacks..... There is a problem within the black community that policies can not and will never correct. It's something blacks need to correct within themselves!!!!
Again, I know too many blacks who are doing well...many were doing well even before Affirmative Action was put in place btw.....I don't want to hear the excuses.
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Don't you all get it yet? It's not about Republican or Democrat? Obama (because we're Black) or Hillary (to seek the female vote).
THEY HAVE ALL BEEN BOUGHT AND PAID OFF!!!!
Huckabee, Hillary, Obama, Romney and Guilliani (who's dad is a mob boss).
Educate yourselves PEOPLE. My People!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
For the sake of your children and our livlihood. Research. Think and be FREE from the mainstream media propaganda.
Hillary is NEW WORLD ORDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! She attended the Bilderburg meetings where the other Eugenists decide our living standards.
HELLO? Who's getting it?
Oh well, maybe gas has to reach $4.00/gal. for you to get it?
Freakin' Sheep.....
I was all ready to blast her before I read the actual story that MTO posted; however, now, I'm trying to figure out where and why MTO thinks that she said something wrong?
@blackbentover,
I agree with what you stated, I see nothing wrong with what she said.
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Is it me or does she look really WORN OUT and STRESSED in that pic?? This campaign is taking a toll on her for sure....
Also, this is not about me but honestly you have no idea what my background is or what money I have. I would not even disclose such information on a website of course. So again, let's not go there.
You seem to believe that someone has control over you. You keep saying 'the establishment can bring you down'... sounds like fear to me. If we all lived and thought that way..NONE of us would get anywhere. Sounds like a conspiracy theory. Again, I don't think this way. I don't sleepwalk either btw but I certainly don't live constantly thinking about 'the man' coming to get me or ruin my life. Again, that comes from preparing in life. I wasn't born yesterday. Again, AA is a crutch to many and isn't helping blacks really as the ones who really need to benefit from AA are not taking advantage of it and never will...until all of these damned social programs (welfare, housing assistance...etc..etc...) is taken away..then they will get off their asses and do something with themselves and not have excuses...like many Hispanics and Asians do in this country every day! If they can do it why can't blacks do it!!???
The black community is not perfect. But your name calling posts do not appear empathetic to their plight and really does not distinguish you as a professional. Of course the Black community can do better, but that does not mean that affirmative action should be diluted by handing it over to poor whites as Obama would like. My family and I have done a lot for the black community I come from a family of civil rights and union leaders and I know how to research and read between the lines of political speeches and rhetoric. The bottom line is that Obama wants to dilute AA by including poor whites and Hillary and Bill want defend race based AA. If AA is a great concern of an individual voter they most take that into account.
@gemini615, hey they just like looking...LOL...i ain't trying to hook up with anyone on this site male or female...
OH, how are we gonna like BILL and not HILLARY, he himself said that she gave him great insight as President.
OBAMA does have a fresh viewpoint for the country. He is very intelligent...as much as i HATE politics, HILLARY knows the game, I just hope OBAMA can handle that. Checks and balances in our government can stop him as president if he doesn't get along with the other key governement players.
I'm undecided right now between the two, HILLARY is being real about some issues (which people never like) and OBAMA doesn't sound like a politian because he is so new to the game... this will be interesting indeed.
Because Hillary and Bill have their own Agenda. Are you aware that Bill Clinton signed the 3 strikes and your out bill??? Are you aware that there are MANY black males in jail right now for petty crimes and will be for the rest of their lives because of that law???? Yes, a lot of it is their responsibility but at the same time this law is justly unfair to them. However, you love Bill and Hillary? Research that! I know how to research and read between the lines as well. Just be sure to research both sides. Bill and Hillary's true colors are showing and it's going to get worse as time goes on and they keep losing. I'm waiting to see what you and others like you will say then. It's not just this MLK comment. Everyone is seeing through them all over the news...all around the world..all of her comments and again, it will just get worse because she is backed against a wall and can't believe this man is beating her. She thinks she deserves something. It's her turn she thinks but it's not obviously and people are not just voting FOR OBAMA..they are voting AGAINST Hillary in droves because those with any sense..white and black can see through her very clearly.
You and I are very different..I'm basing that on your comments here. So there is no need to go on. I know I said that before but this time I really need to go.
Again, support who you wish. That's your God given right. Obama isn't going to need the black vote anyway according to many pundits because he has a great amount of white supporters and other supporters and he will definitely get a lot of the black vote in the primaries and also in the general election! I want to see who you will support when Hillary falls and she IS falling fast!
@Wanna @Wanna
Many in the black community are still suffering from physical, emotional and financial racism, also the after affects of slavery. It is not a crutch to use AA to help heal the detriments of racism and the gross injury of slavery. Obama wants to include poor whites in AA and I believe that it was not intended for that purpose. Clinton is for race based AA. As a black person I and others like Maya Angelou and many other black community leaders have a right to vote for or endorse whoever we choose and we have our own personally correct and measured reasons for our choices. I believe that all of our choices should be respected without name calling.
well of course are you going to believe this it ONLY came from FOX News! which is widely known for their dislike for the Clintons and they are also known for being very repulican! so of course MTO would believe the spin that fox news did on it. If i were you people i would'nt believe everything you read, sites like these say something to get people to read weather it is true or not.
MTO you are being COMPLETELY unfair to Ms. Clinton and you are twisting her message completely. I knew this was untrue before I even took a look. If Hillary is nothing else, she's intelligent and would NEVER insult someone as great as Martin Luther King. You should probably stick to what you know best and that's meaningless gossip and uninteresting photographs. Leave politics to the grown ups.
@Totlpeace2 No,she not right.She is TOTALLY WRONG! Here's why. MARTIN LUTHER KING did take action! He.just like GAHDI,was able to move millions of people,black and white towards a single objective:CIVIL RIGHTS FOR ALL AMERICANS.
He did take action of a most remarkable kind! He knew that to take the stance that he did in those troubled times meant that he was marked for death! DEATH!
There were a thousand and one other people who knew what needed to be done,but few had the courage to actually put themselves in harms way to get the job done! He did!
Sure,PRESIDENT JOHNSON signed the bill,but not because he was such a swell guy! He refered to MLK,JR as "the [EXPLETIVE] preacher!" Run tell that,mrs.CLINTON.
What MLK,JR did should never be forgotten or deminished. He held a mirror up to the conscious of AMERICA to show it the true ugliness of it's hypocrisy! Here is a country that criticizes other countries on how they treat THEIR citizens,yet they treat their own citizens worst than dirt!
Shame on mrs clinton if she did indeed say those words and shame anyone else who thinks like that. Peace.
YusefX;
You are AWARE of an article that came out today EXPOSING RON PAUL's past newsletters that REFERRED TO MARTIN LUTHER KING JR AS A "PEDOFILE" AND PRAISING DAVID DUKE, are you not?
Read the article to this linkt:
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My apologies but no amount of campaigning from you on his behalf will garner votes from this citizen.
GET EM!
anuary 08, 2008. How da hell did ya'll get that from what she said????? All she said was Dr. MLK had a dream and the nation had a president that enacted THAT dream!!!
We can't have a president scared to defend and push for black Americans and Hill is not afraid to do that. Quit twisting her words. Just goes to show how ignorant people can be cuz ya'll sure have a lot of people on this site agreeing with ya'll who don't know what da hell. That's why we keep ending up with these dumb a** presidents because our people don't know who to vote for, won't vote and always talking trash.
TRIP! Next time pay attention to what the lady is saying and stop taking people conversations out of context to make a story.
YO MTO IS FUNNY IM STILL TRYING TO FIND WHERE SHE SAID IT WAS ONLY A DREAM YALL SOME STUPID ASSES AND THESE DUMB BITCHES ON HERE SAYING I CANT BELIEVE SHE SAID THAT THIS COUNTRY IS IN TROUBLE. I REMEMBER WHEN AL SHARPTON WAS RUNNING NOBODY WAS HYPE LIKE THIS BUT SOME HALF WHITE DUDE POP UP AND ALL YALL FLOCK TO THIS MAN AND DONT EVEN KNOW HIM F*#K THAT
MEDIATAKEOUT NEW NAME IS NIGGATAKEOUT AND THATS ALL THIS [EXPLETIVE] IS A BUCH OF JOBLESS PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE WHO HAVE JOBS. NIGGATAKEOUT!!!!
ROD SERLING
I hope you understand these "racist" smears are coming from the israeli lobby
they despise ron paul because hes going to cut off welfare to israel.
Jews smear anyone who calls them out. David duke,farrakhan, rabbi weiss. Any anti zionist or anyone who will not slave for israel will be smeard
Heres some quotes from arial sharon former israeli PM
“Israel may have the right to put others on trial, but certainly no one has the right to put the Jewish people and the State of Israel on trial.”
“I vow that if I was just an Israeli civilian and I met a Palestinian I would burn him and I would make him suffer before killing him.”
You have to understand AIPAC, the israeli lobby and zionism to understand this.
Unfortunatly the mainstream of american doesnt.
Since WHEN are yall taking anything that Fox News says as gospel? They are one of the most racist news networks on TV. If she actually said this, then WHERE is the proof? Give us a link or a sound bite or SOMETHING! As usual you don't have [EXPLETIVE] to prove what you're saying. I believe that it's once again a case of yall starting [EXPLETIVE] and don't have anything to back it up with.
And even if she DID say it, what is so wrong with that? So far it IS a dream because not much has changed since 1963. Just because black folks have come up a little (VERY little, I might add) doesn't mean that we are all holding hands singing that "We are the world" [EXPLETIVE] and loving each other regardless of race...hell, we can't even stop the hatred in our OWN race. We need to check ourselves before we start getting uptight over something that happens to have a lot of truth to it!!
thanx crysmarie for the actual quote This is the entire quote on Hillary:
In an interview with Fox News Political Correspondent Major Garrett — the second in as many days — Clinton also took issue with Barack Obama’s dismissal of her claim that he represents “false hope;” Obama says that argument is like Martin Luther King standing at the Lincoln Memorial in Washington and saying “sorry guys, false hope. The dream will die.”
Clinton said “Dr King’s dream began to be realized when President Lyndon Johnson passed the civil rights act of 1964… That dream became a reality, the power of that dream became real in people’s lives because we had a president who said ‘we’re going to do it,’ and actually got it done.”
you can also find it at this link: [link to external website removed]
well MTO LIKES TO TWIST WORDS. BUT Hillary gave too much credit to LBJ, honestly that was a BAD analogy on Hillary's part because Martin Luther King made a HUGE CONTRIBUTION WITH HIS I HAVE A DREAM SPEECH. in fact without martin luther king LBJ would not have passed the voting rights bill.
oh yeah and people are so afraid to give Malcolm X his credit, as being apart of the change that was made during the 60's. he told it like it was Malcolm and Martin were different but if it were not for them, blacks and many minorities would be no where.
27 of 301 Precincts Reporting - 9%
Clinton, Hillary Dem 10,135 38% Obama, Barack Dem 9,811 36% Edwards, John Dem 4,455 17% Richardson, Bill Dem 1,175 4% Kucinich, Dennis Dem 527 2%
McCain, John GOP 5,539 37% Romney, Mitt GOP 4,198 28% Huckabee, Mike GOP 1,784 12% Giuliani, Rudy GOP 1,310 9% Paul, Ron GOP 1,220 8%
32 of 301 Precincts Reporting - 11%
Clinton, Hillary Dem 12,282 38% Obama, Barack Dem 11,579 36% Edwards, John Dem 5,414 17% Richardson, Bill Dem 1,376 4% Kucinich, Dennis Dem 619 2%
McCain, John GOP 6,860 37% Romney, Mitt GOP 5,182 28% Huckabee, Mike GOP 2,247 12% Giuliani, Rudy GOP 1,646 9% Paul, Ron GOP 1,542 8%
Yusef,
Your tied right now with gulliani. you only need to beat expections to get a win, free publicity
33 of 301 Precincts Reporting - 11%
Clinton, Hillary Dem 12,978 38% Obama, Barack Dem 12,097 36% Edwards, John Dem 5,650 17% Richardson, Bill Dem 1,430 4%
McCain, John GOP 7,543 37% Romney, Mitt GOP 5,670 28% Huckabee, Mike GOP 2,476 12% Giuliani, Rudy GOP 1,825 9% Paul, Ron GOP 1,728 9%
starting to look like some independants are starting to break for mccain instead of obama. that has always been the wild card in this new hampshire race. still early tho
36 of 301 Precincts Reporting - 12%
Clinton, Hillary Dem 13,572 38% Obama, Barack Dem 12,913 36% Edwards, John Dem 5,990 17% Richardson, Bill Dem 1,544 4%
McCain, John GOP 7,713 37% Romney, Mitt GOP 5,852 28% Huckabee, Mike GOP 2,519 12% Giuliani, Rudy GOP 1,861 9% Paul, Ron GOP 1,761 8%
President - Dem Primary 36 of 301 Precincts Reporting - 12% Name Party Votes Vote % Clinton, Hillary Dem 13,572 38% Obama, Barack Dem 12,913 36% Edwards, John Dem 5,990 17% Richardson, Bill Dem 1,544 4% Kucinich, Dennis Dem 746 2% Crow, Randy Dem 441 1% Total Write-ins Dem 318 1% Biden, Joe Dem 60 0% Gravel, Mike Dem 50 0% Caligiuri, Richard Dem 31 0% Dodd, Chris Dem 28 0% Capalbo, Kenneth Dem 24 0% Hunter, D.R. Dem 22 0% Keefe, Bill Dem 6 0% Savior, O. Dem 5 0% Hewes, Henry Dem 3 0% Laughlin, Tom Dem 3 0% Skok, Michael Dem 3 0% Killeen, Caroline Dem 2 0% Hughes, William Dem 1 0% Koos, Tom Dem 1 0% LaMagna, Dal Dem 0 0%
President - GOP Primary 34 of 301 Precincts Reporting - 11% Name Party Votes Vote % McCain, John GOP 7,713 37% Romney, Mitt GOP 5,852 28% Huckabee, Mike GOP 2,519 12% Giuliani, Rudy GOP 1,861 9% Paul, Ron GOP 1,761 8% Total Write-ins GOP 532 3% Thompson, Fred GOP 296 1% Hunter, Duncan GOP 126 1% Howard, Albert GOP 51 0% Keyes, Alan GOP 14 0% Marchuk, Stephen GOP 13 0% Tancredo, Tom GOP 11 0% Cort, Hugh GOP 5 0% Cox, John GOP 5 0% Supreme, Vermin GOP 4 0% Wuensche, Vern GOP 4 0% Fendig, Neal GOP 3 0% Klein, Mark GOP 3 0% Gilbert, Daniel GOP 2 0% Mitchell, James GOP 2 0% O'Connor, Cornelius GOP 2 0% Shepard, Jack GOP 2 0%
Independents seem to be jumping on the Obama bandwagon because they believe he can bring "change" to Washington. What they fail to realize is that he is being advised by leftovers from the Carter administration including Carter's national secuirty advisor, Z. Brzezinski who has called for world government numerous times. Obama needs to be questioned whether he agrees with his advisor on the need for world government. (And the media calls Ron Paul a kook?)
Here are quotes from Brezezinski: -------------------------------------- -----------------------
"Yet five years after the end of the century's greatest ideological struggle and five years before the onset of the next millennium," wailed the architect and first director of the Trilateral Commission, "the end of the ideological centrality in global politics has not ushered in a new world order .... We do not have a new world order. Instead we are facing growing doubts regarding the meaning of our era and regarding the shape of our future."
"We cannot leap into world government in one quick step," Brzezinski told his audience, apparently ignoring Gorbachev's caution. Such a grand goal "requires a process of gradually expanding the range of democratic cooperation as well as the range of personal and national security, a widening, step by step, stone by stone, [of] existing relatively narrow zones of stability in the world of security and cooperation. In brief, the precondition for eventual globalization -- genuine globalization -- is progressive regionalization, because thereby we move toward larger, more stable, more cooperative units."
This "regionalization" is in keeping with the original Trilateral plan, as outlined in Brzezinski's book, Between Two Ages, which called for a gradual convergence of East and West, ultimately leading toward "the goal of world government." In that same tome, David Rockefeller's Polish protégé proclaimed that "National sovereignty is no longer a viable concept" and praised Marxism "in the form of Communism" as a "major advance in man's ability to conceptualize his relationship to his world" and a "further vital and creative stage in the maturing of man's universal vision."
We need to pay attention to the exit polls:
Obama 41% Clinton 37% Edwards 15%
I hope CNN will wait to call the winner until all the votes are counted. I hate Fox News, but I don't trust CNN very much either. I have notice that there has been an increase in the coverage of black criminals as opposed to white criminals since Obamas win in Iowa, and I don't think that it is a coincidence. However we need keep a close eye on the racist mainstream media...
MTO You are misleading your readers and leaving them ill informed and now everyone on here has taken your tone and bashed Hillary Clinton.
What she was trying to say about the kennedy assination reference was that it wasnt Kennedy(although he did set things in motion before his death) that actually passed the civil rights act, that was his predacessor. and the statement was made in response to Obama's constant comparing of himself to Kennedy and how he was "the change" that the country needed. What she was saying is that she would be the one to actually get it done! no one was associating The late presidents murder with Obama, and that is a ludacris assumption.
Honestly, It is sickening the bashing that Hillary takes and it IS because shes a woman!! Wake up ppl. Either one , Obama or Clinton will be a great addition to the presidency of the United States Of America.....
Come on now we all know that MLK only had a dream. People wake up, he never had a financial or economic plan for the black dollar. Never had an educational plan and or structure for black folk, he was so focused on unifying with WHITE America he failed to setup or build an ECONOMIC, EDUCATIONAL & FAMILY structure for black folk.
Take Elijah Muhammed for example read his books he was settting up structures for blacks to own banks, their own real-estate, being owners and buying from one another and building the black dollar before they unite with WHITE america.
Look at the key things that MLK left out that I noted EDUCATION, ECONOMICS & FAMILY those are keys so being successful in America and black folks are lacking in each category cause people like MLK were so focused on uniting instead of building these structures within his own people before anything else.
See you have to understand America like a non-violent non-radical black man and thats why he is more well noted that some of the other black revolutionist.
But digg deep and do some research, read up on your history even from the BLACK WALL STREET people and you will realize that MLK was just DREAMING and nothing else.
Hate it or love it!
hillary better get her muscle bound booty shaken, pop-locking piece of paper, Picachu harlem shaking,purple pack of penny pickles,Peter Pecker, picked a pepper, paper plate, pancake, pudding, poppin possum with purple pink panties lookin ass. With yo pissy piggy piching a preganant poodle looking ass Get yo big bucket brain,boxing brothers, blue balonga bacon bit burger, baseball bouncing, boston bake bean buger body, biscuit belly beanie baby,big back bone, bad back ass.
@Marylandkev,Well if MLK,JKR was only dreaming i wish all of these other so called black leaders would dream,too! As for the MUSLIMS,hey,it's 2008. Where is their plan and why havent they implimented it yet? Many will talk,but few will do.MLK laid itv down and all AFRICAN AMERICANS are better off because he did...
I am so sad and mad; yet inspired by Obama's speech... He made feel like I can do anything...GREAT GREAT GREAT SPEECH... like I can go to work tomorrow and not cuss all those fake white phony skanks clean out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HILLARY IS SOOOOOO CALCULATING
EVERYTIME OBAMA MAKES A SPEECH SHE BITES IT AND USES HIS WORDS... I tell you I was born into the Democratic Party, but if she is the nominee, I will not only vote Republican, but give money and go door to door getting votes....
GUESS THE TEARS WORKED... WHITE WOMEN GOT IT GOING ON; WHENEVER THEY TEAR UP, WARS BEGIN, BROTHERS GO TO JAIL, BLACKS GET HUNG... I SEE IT EVERY SINGLE DAY IN COURT (I work in the court system, and I am fed up)had to vent... night all
OBAMA 2008!!! "YES WE CAN!!!"
WAKE UP PEOPLE! DON'T BELIEVE MTO'S MOTHER F&CK#RING HYPE... Y'ALL TAKE EVERYTHING THAT MTO PRINTS ON THIS SITE---AS WORD.... UNFORTUANTELY, THIS IS NOT THE CASE... Y'ALL MUST AND SHOULD LEARN, TO TAKE EVERY WORD THAT MTO PRINTS, WITH A GRAIN SALT, BECAUSE IT IS NOT NECESSARILY THE TRUTH!!!!!! Sen Clinton is far from a PERFECT CANDIDATE, but she is a WOMAN. And a BLACK PROFESSIONAL WOMAN, who struggles more with the challenges as a woman, who is also African American, than an African American who is also a woman, on a daily basis (personally and professionally)....I fully support Sen. Clinton. But DON'T GET IT TWISTED... I AM ALSO SINCERELY PROUD OF SEN OBAMA, AND WISH HIM WELL IN ALL OF HIS ENDEAVORS. AND WILL SUPPORT HIM, IF ELECTED TO BE THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE.... IN THIS ELECTION-NEVER WILL I VOTE A REPUBLICAN AND THAT MEANS------- NEVER RON PAUL!!!!!!!!!!! LOL
I think MTO took what she said out of context. Yes it was a dream but a dream realized only when it was passed into law. All though people fought for the civil liberties we have today, a change had to occur on both sides. We as citizens cannot change a law by ourselves we have to take action and move those who represent us into action and that's what Martin Luther King Jr. did, he took action until the necessary parties move into action.
@most of the idiots in this room....I LOOKED AT THE VIDEO([link to external website removed] AND MTO IS ON POINT BECAUSE THATS EXACTLY WHAT BILL'S WIFE IS SAYING..TO TAKE IT A BIT FURTHER SHE IS SAYING NO MATTER HOW MUCH A.U.D.A.C.I.T.Y TO HOPE,HOW MUCH OF A DREAM A BLACK PERSON HAS IT WONT BECOME A REALITY UNTIL (A) WHITE PERSON (PEOPLE) OF POWER CO-SIGNS FOR IT.AND FROM READING THE COMMENTS OF CONTINUOUS SUPPORT FOR BILL'S WIFE THIS MIGHT BE TRUE!!!!ITS SAD WHEN I SEE INTELLIGENT BROTHERS AND SISTERS CONTINUE TO DEFEND THIS WOMAN!!!WHAT DOES SHE HAVE TO SAY FOR YOU JIGGABOOS TO GET IT:"[EXPLETIVE] AINT [EXPLETIVE] WITHOUT THE MANN CO-SIGNING"!!EVENTHO ITS REAL SUBTLE THATS ACTUALLY WHAT SHES SAYING,IF YOU KNOW HOW TO READ BETWEEN THE LINES... THE SUBTLE ISH IS MORE DANGEROUS THAN THE TR8,RIGHT IN YOUR FACE,RACISM,BECAUSE U WILL HAVE PEOPLE OF HIGH INTELLIGENCE NOT GET IT,MISINTERPET IT AND DEFEND IT....SOME OF YOU SUFFER FROM A SEVERE CASE OF STOCKHOLM SYNDROM(GOOGLE IT) ...KINDA LIKE A WOMAN WHO'S MARRIED TO AN ABUSIVE HUSBAND.NO MATTER HOW MUCH HE KICKS YOUR FRONT TEETH IN ,HOW MANY TIMES YOU GO TO THE E.R.IT DOESNT MATTER HOW MANY FAMILY MEMBERS TELL TO LEAVE HIS A@@ YOU DONT GET IT UNTIL YOUR ON LIFE SUPPORT IN WHICH SOME CASES ITS TOO LATE!!!........AND IVE HEARD SOME OF YOU DUMBA@@ES TALK GREASY ABOUT DR.KING AND SEN.OBAMA.WTF????I REMEMBER HEARING ABOUT DR. KINGS STRUGGLES IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY BEFORE HE BECAME THE DR.KING WE ALL KNOW AND LOVE.BUT SOME PEOPLE DONT KNOW IS BY ALOT OF SO-CALLED "CONSERVATIVE" BLACKS ,SOME BLACK EDUCATORS ,AND SOME BLACKS OF STATUS CONSIDERED DR.KING A TROUBLE MAKER WITH ALL HIS AMBITIONS DURING THE PRE-CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT ERA(BEFORE HE WAS NATIONALLY KNOW).IT WASNT UNTIL SOME WHITE GROUPS GOT INVOLVED THAT THE MASS MAJORITY OF BLACKS SUPPORTED HIM(AND THATS A DAMN SHAME).AND ALIKE WITH SEN.OBAMA SOME OF YOU WONT SUPPORT HIM UNTIL THE POWER GROUPS OF WHITE AMERICA GET WITH THE PROGRAM...WHY IS THAT???KINDA REMINDS ME OF A CONVERSATION I HAVING WITH A CO-WORKER(WHO HAPPENS TO BE A AFRICAN-AMERICAN FEMALE)..SHE WAS TELLING ME ABOUT THIS GUY SHE MEET AND HOW WONDERFUL HE WAS ,HOW HAPPY SHE WAS COMPARED TO THE GANG OF LOSERS SHE DELT WITH IN THE PASS,HOW SHE BEEN PRAYING FOR A GUY LIKE THIS ,BUT SHE STATED THAT IN THE BACK OF HER MIND SHE KEPT SAYING TO HERSELF THINGS WERE GOING TOO GOOD,HE WAS TOO PERFECT,HOW SHE KNEW IT WAS ALL GOING TO BE A BIG LET-DOWN,SHE KNEW HE WAS GOING TO JUST [EXPLETIVE] UP REAL BAD SOONER OR LATER...AND LIKE MY CO-WORKER THATS HOW SOME(NOT THE MAJORITY)OF BLACK AMERICA SEE SEN.OBAMA..AND LIKE I TOLD MY CO-WORKER,WHY DONT U THINK THAT U DESERVE SOME ONE WHO HAS THE CREDENTIALS INSTEAD CONTINUOUSLY ACCEPTING LOSERS ,WHY NOT ACCEPT THE FACT THIS GUY MIGHT BE THE BLESSING YOU HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR.SOMETIME PEOPLE GET SO USE TO MEDIOCRACY THAT WHEN THE TRUTH IS IN THEIR FACE THEY SHUN IT BECAUSE THEY DONT RECOGNIZE IT AND THEY INADVERTANTLY SABATOGE THEMSELVES INTO BELIEVING AND THINKING THAT THEY SHOULD ACCEPT MEDIOCRACY.AND SOMETIMES PEOPLE WHO CARRY SELF HATE CANT POSSIBLE THINK THAT SOMEONE WHO SHARE A COMMON BOND WITH THEM CAN DO WHAT SO MANY OTHERS HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO DO FOR SO LONG...
First of all, CEDRIC281 that is definitely a face only a mother could love. I had to buy a new computer screen with NO resolution.
Second, MTO you know that is not what she said. I am a big Obama supporter, but it is mess up for you guys to falsely quote her like that. I would think she is smarter than that, and obviously MTO is NOT!!
Did Martin Luther King not say he had a dream? Yes. Did he have the power and means to put laws into action? No he did not, he was NOT the president. But we had a president who took King's dream to heart and heard the cries of black people and said something needs to be done. So King's dream was realized for many people because we had a president who took action on it instead of letting King's dream die in vain.
GAY rights and RACISM are ToTALLY SEPARATE entITIES!!
NO one GIVEs A DAMN that YOU ARE a BOOTY BANDIT UNTil YOU PUT IT OUT THERE!!!!!!
RACISM Is judge by the PHYSICAL appearance!!
NO one can tell someone is GAY until they SAy they are then they are judge! but you can't hide your color!
so people PLEAsE do not Compare HOmophobia with RACISM!
I think this statement was taken out of context. In some ways Hiliary is right. The struggleof equality was a dream and yes African Americans fought to see that dream come true. However, if it was not for some politician having some sort of compassion by viewing us equals, a lot of what we have today would not have come into fruition. Its unfortunate that it had/has to be this way, but this how sowmtimes our society works.
MTO and many people here are taking her comments completely out of context. I am a Obama supporter, however as a realiest what she said is quite valid. The country we lived in during the 60's was one were major actions of change in the US system of socialization were not made by blacks. Not because were mentally or physically unable, but because we didn't have the power or status due to a prejudice and raciest capitalist system we lived in. The DREAM that was initiated and faught for by MLK and so many other black activists of that time would have been in vain if it had not been for the "John Hancock" of our president at the time. This takes nothing away from the efforts of our great Afro American leaders nor do Hilary's statements. A mind is such a terrible thing waste ladies and gentleman, so I ask that we all use it to its fullest capacity before we bash a great woman like Ms. Clinton undeservingly. ~1~
Anybody who thinks that Hillary Clinton marginalized Dr. King's achievements are just as dumb as some as MTOs story headings...
Guess what...if PRESIDENT JOHNSON didn't make the foundation of Dr. Martin Luther King's DREAM a LAW!!! IT DON'T MEAN NOTHING!!!
MTO should be ashamed of themselves taking things out of context and going for cheap thrills just to get folks all riled up...
And people on here bashing that statement should be ashamed of themselves for not seeing the validity of what was truly said...
So sad...and much too typical!
wannaknowwhatsup............
You have absolutely no idea about how AA works. HOW IN THE HELL CAN BLACKS "TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT". You make it seem like white women have mobilized and said we go capitalize off of it while we waiting twiddling our thumbs. IT IS LEFT IN THE HANDS OF THE EMPLOYER! hOW CAN YOU ARGUE ABOUT SOMETHING YOU HAVE NO UNDERSTANDING OF. nO DISRESPECT BUT iM JUST SAYING!
AA has turned into a QUOTA system. When the EEOC was strong they used to enforce companies having a diverse workforce. So companies could get fined, loose federal taxation help, suffer from lawsuits ALL if they were found not to be in compliance w/ AA. (BECAUSE WHEN YOU REGISTER AS AA COMPANY YOU GET TAX BREAKS. What the companies (some did) was say...whooo since the language isn't specific to "blacks" ...just "minorities" and "women" who they STILL hired to fill those quotas ended up being WHITE WOMEN. Because they could justify that in the numbers as a diverse requirement. Next in line was black women cause they killed two birds with one stone! Black men get it the hardest because companies STILL loopholed them out!!!!!!! It was started to force companies to make a concerted effort to recognize and diversify the work placle to get rid of the good old boy network and ended up with companies saying..Damn let me put a few tokens on to shut these people the fuc up and get my tax break to THEN....welcolm white women! So it was not blacks NOT "taking advantage" of a oppertunity. It was crackas taking advantage of a system put in place SUPPOSEDLY to help correct a WRONG! NOT TOSS US A BONE!
so AGAIN....HOW the hell has AA been a crutch? and WHAT in the hell justifies the shyt to be further diluted to include POOR WHITE folks in on a program that was set up to combat RACIAL descrimination? Last I checked poor or not if you a white boy YOU STILL A WHITE BOY! Anyway...AA was more or less relevant in middle american jobs anyway. Usually entry level degreed positions. Who the fuc cares if you "diversify" damn telemarketing jobs. We talking about some oppertunities for advancement. What Obama plan to do????? Say yes Pepsi Co...as a AA employer you now can justify a requirement with anyone making less than 30k. Hell THATS OPEN TO EVERYBODY! omg. Thats is just some rhetorical bullshyt that politicians say that they know have no basis or feasibility. It just sounds good. I MUCH more respect a republican that says FUC YOU NI@$@AS, SPICS AND HOMO'S. WE DON'T GOT SHYT FOR YA. Instead of that fake shyt!
I can't work off of that quick sentence. I need to know what was said first, and behind that statement. however, soudns like she is sayin MLK had a dream, and the president helped him achieve it. I mean, why are people so quick to jump and attack folks without actually taking a second to realize what was said or what happened? This is how rumors start!!
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OMG PEOPLE GET OVER IT THE WOMAN IS RIGHT ALL HE DID WAS HAVE A DREAM AND ALL ROSA PARKS DID WAS SIT HER ASS DOWN ON A BUS!
A CLINTON IS A CLINTON DAMMIT! WHEN BILL WAS PRESIDENT WE WAS HAD NO PROBLEM LIKE TODAY EVERYTHING USE TO BE STR8. HILARY YOU GOT MY VOTE GIRL!!
@ master7 I read your statement and Hillary was not wrong. At that time we did not really have in blacks in power positions at least not in a official capacity so yes somebody white had to co-sign with MLK Jr. in order to bring about change. I'm not defending Hillary I'm stating the truth whether I like it or not. This is the case even today Obama cannot make it to the White House on black votes alone. He does does need the support of other groups as well a white America. We blacks, still are not in the power positions. We have to work together to achieve of our goals. MTO just described that situation in the worst possible light as usual to get the most reaction as usual. The same thing can be stated but in a more intelligent manner.
I have not decided who I am for as of yet. I think both Hillary & Obama or totally electable.
As for people not being able to read in between the lines I will give us(meaning people) more credit than that. Many things that are occurring today are done in a subtle way as not alarm the masses because it would bring about a whirlwind of reactions. Not all of us are asleep, we see what is happening but must wait for the most opportune time to react.
When we start criticizing and tearing down one another we close the door the to change because we stop listening and start arguing.
Absolutely Ridiculous. Lame dirty tricks that threatens a racial split within the party. Obama and his campaign are playing with fire. These little minor comments that should not be taken to heart. Bill Clinton is the "the first black president," and his deed and what he has done for the African American community is more than what Obama has done in his career. This is stupid, you can now start congratulating the Republicans for their win in 08 thanks to Obama.
Known for their deeds to the African American community, who do you believe is playing the racial card?
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Waht are the three top things that the Clintons have done for Blacks? Or for that matter the Dem PArty period?
Hillary Clinton was Goldwater Girl in '64, so its doubtful, that either she are her would be husband and Fulbright deciple gave a dam about Civil Rights.
Does anyopne honeslty thing that racist LBJ would even have any thoughts of civil rights had it not been for the ground swell of protest? The Dem party didn't even support the Legislation wholeheartedly. It took the Republicans of all people to cast the deciding votes.Yet we are to believe that is the Dem Party who "granted" us the unalienable rights that they eroded from Recontruction thought mid 20th Cen,
I am not one to apoligize fo Missy Ann Hilary and Massa Bill's candid condicending remarks.
