: MediaTakeOut.com is hearing some disturbing chatter going around that Hillary Clinton may have rigged the New Hampshire primary vote. According to growing reports on both Democratic and Republican blogs, Hillary's surprising victory may have been caused by voter fraud.
Of course the mainstream media isn't trying to touch this story with a 10 foot pole. But we're not the mainstream media. And besides, while we're not quite sure we believe it, this is the kind of story that needs to be put out there.
PRIMARY CONCERNS By Robert C. Koehler Tribune Media ServicesAnd there's more. The political blog Prescue showed the difference between hand counted and machine counted votes.As the breathless sports coverage of the presidential primaries bursts around me this morning, I’m doing my best to resist surrendering to the contrived drama about “comeback kids” and the flying shrapnel of numbers and hold onto my troubled skepticism about the electoral process, or at least most of it.
First of all, before we get too enthusiastic about feminist solidarity or wax knowingly about New Hampshire Democrats’ traditional soft-heartedness toward the Clinton family, let’s ponder yet again the possibility of tainted results, which is such an unfun prospect most of the media can’t bear to remember that all the problems we’ve had with electronic voting machines — and Diebold machines in particular, which dominate New Hampshire polling places — remain unsolved.
Did the Hillary campaign really defy the pollsters? She had been trailing Barack Obama by 13 percentage points, 42 to 29, in a recent Zogby poll, as election watchdog Brad Friedman pointed out. And the weekend’s “rapturous packed rallies for Mr. Obama,” as the New York Times put it, “suggested Mrs. Clinton was in dire shape.”
So when she emerged from the Tuesday primary with an 8,000-vote and 3-percentage-point victory over Obama, perhaps — considering the notorious unreliability, not to mention hackability, of Diebold machines — the media might have hoisted a few red flags in the coverage, rather than immediately chalk the results up to Clinton’s tears and voter unpredictability. (Oh, if only more reporters considered red flags patriotic.)
The fact is, whatever actually happened in New Hampshire voting booths on Tuesday, our elections are horrifically insecure. For instance, Bev Harris, of the highly respected voting watchdog organization Black Box Voting, recently wrote that the Diebold 1.94w optical scan machines used in some 55 percent of New Hampshire precincts (representing more than 80 percent of the state’s voters) are “the exact same make, model and version hacked in the Black Box Voting project in Leon County (Florida)” a few years ago. They haven’t been upgraded; the security problems haven’t been fixed.
National, or at least media, denial about this situation doesn’t say much for the strength of our democracy.
By Percentage:
Method Hillary Clinton Barack Obama Diebold Machines 53.23% 46.77% Hand Count 47.47% 52.53%
By Votes
Method Hillary Clinton Barack Obama Diebold Machines 82860 72807 Hand Count 18898 20912
By Number of Municipalities Won
Method Hillary Clinton Barack Obama Diebold Machines 54 33 Hand Count 43 77
About 81% of the votes will be "counted" by the Diebold machines.
There's been only one other time when exit polls have been this wrong. The 2000 presidential election.
Impossible for her to win without voter fraud. Plus in districts where the votes where hand counted Obama whooped her azz but in districts where machines counted the votes Hillary won by an average of 3% in each district. Just enough votes to swing the election. She won by 3% points.
A lot of people are taking a second look at this election.
YOU KNOW THE RON PAUL PAID COMMENTERS AND THE HILLARY PAID COMMENTERS ARE GOING TO RAVAGE THIS SITE EVERY TIME THERE IS POLITICAL NEWS TO DETER VOTERS AWAY FROM BARACK OBAMA. DO NOT BE FOOLED BLACK PEOPLE. RON PAUL IS A WHITE SUPREMIST AND 'HITLERY' CLINTON HAS A LOT OF POLICITAL FAVORS TO PAY BACK TO HER FRIENDS AND SUPPORTERS WITH YOUR TAX DOLLARS ONCE SHE LIES AND STEALS THE WHITE HOUSE. IF YOU DO NOT VOTE FOR BARACK, THEN VOTE JOHN EDWARDS OR DO A WRITE IN BALLOT. DO NOT BE FOOLED BY HOW THE CLINTONS SUPPOSED TO LOVE BLACK PEOPLE.
UH! OH! if there is a conspiracy it needs to get checked before the 2008 elections the last thing we need is a repeat of the 2000 elections second biggest heist in a our nations history! The first being the FDIC and the the international bankers who caused the depression because of rumors and were able to gain control of nearly all the banks and countless properties and assets etc...
I SWEAR ON MY LIFE, that is Hillary is going forward as a democratic presidential candidate in the end, I WILL NOT VOTE!!!!
I have only voted one time in my life and that was for the 200 elections with Bush and Kerry, and then as a 18 year old who followed the polls, issues and the race I was soo F-ing disappointed. it broke my heart that Kerry didnt make it. I cant stand Hillary and this would be the second time of my life voting I wouldnt vote for her ***.
I don't hate her...but I was suspicous when the chanel 2 news said that the polls were having problems with the machins and that the would have to manually tally and they would keep US posted on who had the most votes. Let them tell it something is always wrong with the *** machines. HEY EVERYBODY LISTEN UP.....I USE TO BE SO VERY VERY NIAVE ABOUT LIFE AND I REALLY DIDN'T THINK MUCH ABOUT THE GOVERMENT....UNTIL A VERY WISE WOMAN TOLD ME TO READ THIS BOOK CALLED "BEHOLD A PALE WHITE HORSE" by William Cooper. Now I will tell you this...the book was written I believe in 1982......but he stated in the book that it wqas the goverments plan with the world trade center....NOT ONLY DOES HE MENTION THINGS THAT HAPPENED BEFORE THEY ACTUALLY DID....BUT THIS MAN WAS ABLE TO CONFISCATED *** TO PROVE WHAT HE WAS SAYING....HE STARTS THE BOOK WITH A COMMENT ABOUT.."BY THE TIME THIS BOOK IS PUBLISHED I WILL SURELY BE DEAD"....What I will say to you is this.....I READ THIS BOOK AND I"m FEARFUL FOR MY CHILDREN LIVES...HAD I KNOWN ABOUT WHAT THE GOVERMENT WAS REALLY ABOUT....I WOULDN'T HAVE BOUGHT ANOTHER BABY INTO THIS WORLD. I will end wit this...The things that I read in that book caused me to not only stop reading it after about the 15 or 20th chapter...but I was seriously unnerved for about 3 months. Go out and get it and TRY TO GET IT FROM A BLACK BOOK STORE FIRST. The woman who told me about the book told me that white people will try to keep you from buying the book....and I will say this SHE WAS RIGHT...That's a whole other story but they tried to keep me from getting it and the book was put on hold for me!!!!!! Hope your right with God because the goverments ONLY concern is MONEY and THIER IMMEDIATE FAMILY.....all others are doomed if they have thier way....AND THAT INCLUDES THE DUMB *** WHITE FOLKS THAT VOTED BUSH IN...CAUSE I SAW A *** WHICH STATED THAT UNLESS YOU HAD MONEY LIKE MICHAEL JORDAN (who they claimed would be one influentual BLACK PERSON TO GET ALL OTHER BLACKS TO FOLLOW HIS LEAD)YOU WERE A COMMONER!!!! I will end it with this..A friend of mine kept calling me to tell me about this tape he had gotten his hands on and I was always busy so I told him to dub it for me...no matter how he tried he couldn't..he even went and borrowed another vcr and tried to dub it with 2 seperate vcrs and still couldn't..it had a block on it. I finally got around to going to see it and it was very disturbing..they had 3 white men on the tape..one of who asked all the questions and 2 who worked for the goverment...but they had blurred faces and the voice change thing going on. The tape was 6 hours long...so I can't go into everything that was said...but they did mention that America is being desinsetized...and how stupid we were. They said they allow movies to be made and cleared that tell you what the goverment is about but we are so stupid that we have no clue...we think it's just entertainment. They said only one NUCCA really get it and they said it was PRINCE...they blew up a photo of Prince's 1999 alblum and showed you an eye inside a pyramid..they stated what the eye meant and about the foriegn language around it...they showed the same eye on the dollar bill...something about we see the light and you don't..they also said that is what the torch means that was carried around during the olympics. DON'T TRUST THE GOVERMENT!!!! IT's ALL ABOUT MONEY amd us be under ONE RULER LIKE IN ENGLAND...THEY CALLED IT THE NEW WORLD ORDER...GO GET THAT BOOK!!!!!!
first off if yall beleieve every thing you hear and beleive in the mainstream media the yall are losers and closed minded..*** a journalist who made then the integrity winner when reporting.
There is a margin of error when ealing with diebold machines and more whn hand counting..its the law of electronics and robotics..google it and educate urselves. As far as Hilary winning well her crying may have got her more women votes but she DID win regardless..The NWO works better in her favor cuz she is tied into the Illuminati..again google it Lmao!
Obama will never win..hes giving these flashy speeches and hes like a preacher and most of yall are SUCKERS foreal. im black and all bt i also know the government structure and if yall dont look at Obamas record and just blinded by his skin color then I want Chris Tucker to run for president cuz hes black too...stupid
I SAW IT COMING!!! I WROTE THIS AFTER THE IOWA VICTORY!!!
LAST *** ONE OF THE COMMENTATORS SAID "THE BIG LOSERS OF THE *** WERE AL *** AND JESSE JACKSON (WTF)HE CLAIMED
THAT OBAMAS VICTORY WOULD INTERFERE WITH THEIR EXPLOITATION OF THE RACIAL DIVIDE! THIS WAS A VERY CALCULATED AND DIVISIVE
POLITICAL PERSPECTIVE. ALONG WITH INCREASING ATTEMPTS TO DIVIDE AND CONQUER BLACK POLITICAL POTENTIAL, BE EVER ALERT FOR A
PHENOMENA THAT WHITE AMERICA IS ALREADY PLANTING THE EVIL SEEDS OF..."THE OBAMA EXCUSE"!!! AN INTENSIFIED, INTERNATIONAL
VARIATION OF THE COSBY CONDITION OR THE OPRAH OUT (WHEN AMERICA DISMISSES RAMPANT RACIAL INEQUITIES, BOTH HISTORICAL AND
CONTEMPORARY BY POINTING TO EXCEPTIONS LIKE BILL COSBY AND OPRAH WINFREY TO SIMULTANEOUSLY EXCUSE THEMSELVES FROM
THE SATANIC LEGACY OF SLAVERY AND THE CURRENT; ECONOMIC, POLITICAL, SPIRITUAL, EDUCATIONAL ETC. BENEFITS OF WHITE
SUPREMACY/INSTITUTIONALIZED RACISM WHILE BLAMING BLACK PEOPLE FOR EVERY NEGATIVE ASPECT OF THEIR PRESENT CONDITION.
WITH MEANINGLESS (PURELY SYMBOLIC) APOLOGIES FOR SLAVERY IN THE MEDIA ALONG SIDE STORIES OF RAMPANT POLICE BRUTALITY AND
INCREASING HATE CRIMES, PREPARE FOR THE OBAMA EXCUSE, SIMILAR TO HOW IMUS WAS ABLE TO BLAME RAP MUSIC! THE LINE OF REASON
WILL SOUND SOMETHING LIKE THIS, RACISM IS OVER WE GOT A BLACK PRESIDENT FOR GODS SAKE, WHITE SUPREMACY PLEASE, OUR
PRESIDENT IS BLACK, EVERYONE OF YOU CAN MAKE IT....HELL LOOK AT BARACK!!! THATS THE PROBLEM WITH SYSTEMATIC OPPRESSION, THE
OPPRESSOR WILL ALWAYS WIN THE WAR UNTIL THE SYSTEM OF OPPRESSION ITSELF IS TURNED ON IT'S HEAD!!! IF HE WINS DON'T GET TOO
HAPPY...THE STRUGGLE CONTINUES, HE DID KICK THEY BEHINDS IN IOWA THOUGH!
I was rooting for Hilary and getting on here the other day posting how she was more qualified than Obama but after that crying for the please help the blond woman act the other day Im through with her. That tells me alot about her character and she makes hard on every woman black or white who comes after her because of how weaked she looked crying....is that who we want running our country? When Osama comes out of hiding and bombs the sh!t out of us is gonna cry or get to the troops to bomb his a$$. MTO let me know what you think...(minus the hating and trying to convince strangers your opinion is all that matters!!!)
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personally i feel as though they are both good candidates, who if one weren't to win the primary but got on each other ballot during the election would be a fierce combination. As for as the voting system, its been crooked since the beginning of time and it really hit home when bush got in 2004. so i feel as though all the *** with voting for obama or clinton is just that *** because they are both well rounded and have extraordinary ideals that will help us all get out of this recession bush jr. put us in.
I am telling yall, she is a white woman and will eventually get her way, I am not saying that people who believe in her, dont believe in her, but I have always had this gut feeling even when Bill was in office that, Hillary was a joke.
She is a white woman that will always try to sway the public. And think about it this way. Most white retired, or professional white women can or is registered to vote. Now what about the black WOMEN who are low income and are not registered to vote, what does she have to offer these women??? Not a *** thang.
@whatwhatwhat: I feel you, I am soo dead serious about not voting. Sometimes I wish that the whole country as a WHOLE would boy cott the elections to make a stance about how vital it is that we need someone in office that can lead and bond with the people and not be connected to dirty terrorist or have coporate interest over civil human rights and privacies.
If you guys can remember about two years ago Hil&Bill had gone to stay the weekend at the Bush compound in (Home) Kennebunkport Maine. I was in School on the East coast when I heard this I really felt so betrade. I think this has happen two times.You guys know how they talk about the Bush's like they are the DEVIL. I can work with the Devil BUT I will not break bread in sleep in his home. P.S I'm talking about Daddy Bush.
So why did Obama concede so early and not contest it if it was true? He could have asked for a recount or more importantly waited until 100% of the votes where in to wait to make concession. I just don't buy it.
Something isn't right about this story. But, if it gets people riled to speak conspiracy then I guess it has done its purpose. Thanks MTO.
Has anybody read or seen The Manchurian Candidate? Who is Obama for real? Where did this guy come from? What does he believe and why is everybody so hype on believing this fairy tale?
A white comedian stated that Red, White and Blue stands for Redneck, White Trash and Blue Collar. Do you honestly believe that if Obama became president he would not get assasinated like Lincoln, JFK? People need to wake up for real.
@interesting:
And do you think that if Benazir Bhutto was soo scared to runt hat the people of her country would have the same courage and unity they have if she was afraid of being assassinated?
Obama probrably has thought about the fact that eh could be killed but I believe that his will power for the better of this country is soo strong that it is a factor that does not exist that much in his mind. do you also think that is MLK was soo more afraid of being killed for preaching about unity among races that we would be where we are today?
If you are more for the people and so involved about doing what is right for the country, despite the dangerous opposiion, you wouldnt give a *** if you were killed or not.
Im not saying Im riding with Hillary, bUT IT IS crazy HOW MANY WOMEN are up in arms over this chick getting emotional. That is the same brainwashed *** that black folks do when pitted against each other. CRABS IN A BARREL. The media says you have to be a tough and stone faced and *** or else you are not STRONG, so mofo's forget ALL about REALITY and ride with the ***. In case ya'll dont know, women are emotional creatures. With that it means we show the frustration, we show the sincerity AT TIMES. But what is the difference in if you hurt actually showing the *** or if you hurt repressing it. YOU STILL HURT LAMES! Just cause a man don't show it BET YOUR BOTTOM DOLLAR that they ACT off the emotion that they feel also! You think just because a man won't show frustration in the form of crying that means he wont go act the syt out in the form of whoping some ***!!!!!! eVERY PSHYCOLOGIST YOU TALK TO WOULD TELL YOU IT'S BETTER TO LET THE SHY OUT. So in actuality SHE would probably be more well rounded and clear thinking AS A WOMAN! And I don't know who the hell ya'll was raised by but ME MY MOMMA MY AUNTS AND EVERYOTHER WOMAN I KNOW may get "emotional" may even cry but best believe if WE HOLD *** DOWN. NOT A MAN ON THIS PLANET COULD *** WIT US WHEN WE PUT OUR MINDS TO IT. Women hold families together, WHILE busting her *** at work just like a MAN. mOST WOMEN i KNOW WEAR 3/4 HATS. And we may be emotional BUT WTF do that have to do with STRENGTH!!!!!!! Yall just set us back like 50 years with them comments for real! Emotion is not a sign of WEAKNESS and how DARE ya'll equate the two. Maybe it is for ya'll but don't put that *** on all women. There is a time to be emotional and a time to kick ***. She may not be the right person for the job..in actuality I think the *** was calculated to get support. But don't sell us *** on no emotion. Bush drummed up some fake *** tears after 911....whats the difference.
This is why we must remain united people, if not then we will never have a black president in our lifetime. Hill has her and Bill's core supporters backing them, along with a few Uncle Toms, and people that won't support dude just because he's black. If he's going to win, we will all have to back him.
I heard a black woman at my job say "I aint' votin for Obama just because he's black like me, I am voting for the best candidate". I ask her, when have you, your mother, or grandmother ever had this type of choice. There was no answer. Uncle Tom Slave mentality. "We cants run this here plantation without Massa or Miss Ann".
@Crislex
Getting assasinated is no laughing matter. He is a Illinois guy who does not know about the South at all. His wife nor kids and family member deserve that and for what, this USA. I like chess and playing russian roulette but there is no need for me to loose my life to get change when another way is possible. You remember late Sec'y of Commerce Ron Brown. He thought the same way and was killed and he brought about the most change financially for all Americans. This is real. Why do you think the Constitution was written to call us 3/5 of a human being and all these nooses appear to be popping up out of nowhere. I just pray he is safe. But something will happen if he makes it, I guarrantee that as shown by history.
Bhutto should have realized that too. Heck she was warned with an attempt and then she did not heed the safety measures. Just b/c one avenue is closed does not mean another way is not possible. Remember that before you jump on a bandwagon of a person that appears to operate like The Manchurian Candidate.
The Conspiracy Theory has been debunked. One more example of MTO reaching-
Enough with the "Diebold Hacked the NH Primary"
New Hampshire has no touchscreen voting. None.
Every ballot cast in New Hampshire except those few cast by the handicapped is written on a piece of paper. It's redundant to say this after the previous comment about touchscreen voting, but let's make it clear: in New Hampshire there is a paper trail.
The Diebold Accuvote-TS has been shown to be a piece of ***. The Diebold Accuvote-OS, the machine used in New Hampshire, has much of the same hardware and runs much of the same tabulation software, so these machines could conceivably be hacked. However, the incentive for hacking them is not very great, because unlike with the paperless voting, again, there's the paper trail. So if there were ever a recount—and there was after the 2004 election, when a survey of New Hampshire voting districts chosen by the Nader campaign showed there was virtually no difference between the scanned tabulation and the hand recount—the malfeasance would be easily discovered.
Many folks immediately suspect that any election results they found surprising—and whether they know enough about local and statewide voting patterns to be surprised is always a good question—are most easily explained by malfeasance by the Diebold corporation or exploitation of its machines. There are many problems for these folks who look for the most exotic (and maybe reassuring) explanation for an election result they don't like, but in this case, let's start out with a fairly basic one: voters in every town in New Hampshire cast their vote on a paper ballot, and in more than half of the towns in New Hampshire, the paper ballots are counted by hand.
Fewer than half the towns in New Hampshire tabulate votes with optical scanners. More than half the votes cast are counted by optical scanners, as most of the bigger cities and towns—including Manchester, Nashua, Portsmouth, Concord, Claremont, Hanover, Keene and Plymouth—use the scanners. But more municipalities count by hand. And as someone relatively well-versed in the voting patterns of New Hampshire, let me tell you there appear to be no discrepancies in the Clinton/Obama/Edwards votes between the towns that tabulate votes by scanning and those that count by hand. Obama won many of the larger towns—Keene, Hanover, Concord, Portsmouth, Lebanon, Plymouth, Durham. Clinton won others—Manchester, Nashua, Berlin, Gorham, Claremont.
There are reasons this makes sense, as I explained in an analysis of the town-by-town results here. And where there was a strong regional pattern to the results—as in the Monadnock region and the Connecticut River Valley, where Obama did well, or in the bedroom communities of Boston, where Clinton did well—the pattern extended geographically, regardless of whether an individual town used electronic or hand tabulation.
But ultimately, there's tremendous arrogance and/or ignorance at play when people assume that Hillary Clinton's victory in Tuesday's New Hampshire primary is or might be explained by election fraud. Has it not occurred to those people who know little or nothing about voting patterns in New Hampshire that the hundreds of staffers on the Obama and Edwards campaigns, who've immersed themselves in past voting data and models of expected vote turnouts for Tuesday, wouldn't these staffers have noticed discrepancies that might warrant a recount? If Tuesday's results really were the likely result of malfeasance, the Obama and Edwards campaigns would be raising holy hell. They would be seeking a recount, and investigation of the voting, and they would be doing it because they saw the irregularities in the vote results.
But there aren't any serious irregularities in the results of Tuesday's Democratic primary. Clinton won with the same kind of voters that Kerry won with in 2004, in she did it by running strongly in the same exact areas of the state. Diebold machines don't count the votes cast in many of the towns of New Hampshire, and all votes are cast on a paper ballot. The 2004 recount showed no problems with the tabulation. New Hampshire has an excellent reputation for running clean elections. Election administration is done on a town-by-town basis, so rigging the election would require not just a few well-placed individuals, but a vast conspiracy involving hundreds of people, probably more. And if there were strange voting patterns, that showed up in discrepancies between towns that tabulated by hand vs those that tabulated the paper ballots with scanners, the rival campaigns would certainly have noticed it and would be protesting the results.
Hillary Clinton won on Tuesday. She led just about every poll every taken for 360 of the 365 days leading up to the election. And even when she won, it was only by three percentage points. This election wasn't rigged. So please, ignore the "Diebold stole the election" garbage
Oh and to the person who stated that hilary cried for sympathy votes im here to say that that statement is plain crazy. when men cry we say that they have a heart but a woman cries it's just emotional, that is bs if i ever heard it. can you imagine how it feels to be the first woman minority ever to run for presidency. its not like its an easy go for her so that statement in my opinion was plain stupid. I also feel as though a lot of people are fighting for barack because he;s black and a male and we feel like it's right and moreso a step forward, but to me that means nothing because the best candidate will step and if barack or clinton gets in, i really do feel like it will be beneficial to us all. *Imagine if they end up being on each other team, that would be phenomenoal for everyone*
This is exactly why we need to get out there and vote...the politics and the government has to be one of the worst. I love Obama and Edwards, Hillary I don't quite know about...but we need to vote and if you haven't registered you really should. This election is going to determine the rest of our lives and the generation to come. We gotta do something quick. I refuse to have another 8 years of turmoil and distress, and most of all, LIES!
@jimberland
Sticking together as black people does not mean you are bamboozled and fooled to believe a black person in an office has your interest or can make a substantial difference in office. Case in point: Clarence "Uncle Tom" Thomas, Condi (beans and) Rice, Collin Powell (when he was forced to lie about the Weapons of Mass Destruction)
Like in any slavery system, you have house slaves and field slaves. Yes it appears that Obama is our version of Nate Turner. But, Nate Turner was killed (you remember)! It took many efforts from whites and blacks alike to forge the end of slavery.
All we need to do is keep an open mind. Freedom of politics does not mean GROUPTHINK or BANDWAGON approach. If you like a candidate, you have a right to support it. I am not less black or down with the cause b/c I support Clinton. I just think she has a better *** to improve our financial status in this country than he does. They need to pair and President and VP. That is what I am praying for.
hurcules.....I don't know if I can?????? LOL. Nahh but If you checkout some useless Amy Whinehouse got blonde hair thread and Im a one line quiter! (she still look a mess...nuf said). But I was a Poly Sci major and African Studies. So on them topics I break out the dissertations...sorry. But as long as i make sense im cool! (dang was this reply long too?)
MTO makes it's users look very stupid everytime they put out garbage that isn't true. Despite MTO being notorious for innacurate information there are people on this thread saying, "I knew it, I knew it." But allow me to repeat-
NEW HAMPSHIRE HAS NO TOUCHSCREEN VOTING
just another expample of how MTO lies
@ Sincere: Yes I am not a big fan of Kerry's but I respect him for what he has tried to do for this country. He is also a very respected demecratic rep and has a lot of man power to help Obama.
@ interesting: If people didnt sacrifice something for change, this world would be in worst shape than it is now. A lot of people, known or unknown, sacarifce a lot everyday to make things better for a good change in the world. You may say that your life is more precious that trying to make a positive change in a country, than how would you think MLK would have reacted to your opinion if you said that to him? Even if you make a small change in your personal life to make things better you are sacrificing something. Please think about that. I respect any person who goes against all odds to make a GREAT change for this country or for everyday people.
urstruly0219 Flag post Oh and to the person who stated that hilary cried for sympathy votes im here to say that that statement is plain crazy. when men cry we say that they have a heart but a woman
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Exactly, how many times have we've seen the current president weeping. I didn't hear one single peep from any of those people during any of those times. In fact, the president was praised for showing his emotions. It was viewed as a strength. No one ever said how can a president who weeps be the commander in chief. Now that it is a woman it is a weakness.
@ interesting:
Do you really believe that Clinton has a better *** at improving the financial situation that America now faces??? I find that very hard to believe that she can. From what her health plan is supposed to be she will be mandating that Americans get health insurance, wheter they can afford it or not. Now I cannot afford health insurance because of things that I need to pay off my name, rent, and school debt, so I would be *** if someone MANDATED that I need to get health insurance.
She has not experienced what most low to middle imcome families have indured. Her husband probrably has but I doubt she has. SHe seems to me for the longest to be a stcuk up, arrogant white woman that wont have the interest at heart for minority women and men. Please believe that if she was soo for the people, she would be the same white woman to grab her purse close when a black man walks by her on the street. The mentality doesnt change.
@carliss123 That was a powerful post, you have me wanting to cop that book! Wish I could see that video you're talking about too!
@interesting If folks like you ruled the world nothing would ever get done because you are paralyzed by and live in a world of fear. You need to set your mind free and read about the "Audacity of Hope."
@crislex: Kerry endorsing Obama might be a bad thing and might be Hillary working behind the scenes to *** Obama. ALOT of people in the general election will try and say Obama is just like Kerry and they'll try to "swift boat" him and conflate all the negative connotations that were floated around about Kerry to Obama.
@cat4everrr Actually New Hampshire does use Diebold touch screen machines. Check with black box voting
http://www.bbvforums.org/cgi-bin/forums/board-auth.cgi?file=/73/71219.html
oh...I was wondering. Yeah on the networking strength it's a good move for Obama I guess. Just trying to make the connection.
Oh and MLK or Malcolm X...one of them said "If a man doesn't find something in life he is willing to die for then he's not worth living"...or something like that? (maybe I should take them quotations off..lol) Or maybe "Id rather die on my feet than live on my knees". Like you said some people make the ultimate sacrafice!
@ email:
I agree with what your saying but being that Kerry was strongly popular in the 2000 race, despite what might be surrounding him and the fact that we all believe the elections were RIGGED, people still have respect for Kerry. I believe that Obama will get extremely more support with Kerry backing him up.
@ interesting:
I really think that you should read that book " Who moved my Cheese?". That book is all about not doing something to move forward to a positive change because of what you FEAR. And that if you continue to stand in fear and you comfort zone, your life will continue to be disappointing and you wont excel in life.. ( its just one of the points in the book)
sosincere Flag post cat4ever.... EXACTLY!!!!!!! That oh she cried she weak ish is CRAZY. But the bad thing is I hear more women saying it than MEN!
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STOCKKHOLM SYNDORME AT IT'S WORST!!!
Stockholm syndrome- a psychological response sometimes seen in an abducted hostage, in which the hostage shows signs of loyalty to the hostage-taker, regardless of the danger (or at least risk) in which the hostage has been placed. Stockholm syndrome is also sometimes discussed in reference to other situations with similar tensions, such as battered person syndrome, rape cases, child abuse cases and bride kidnapping. The syndrome is named after the Norrmalmstorg robbery of Kreditbanken at Norrmalmstorg, Stockholm, Sweden, in which the bank robbers held bank employees hostage from August 23 to August 28 in 1973. In this case, the victims became emotionally attached to their victimizers, and even defended their captors after they were freed from their six-day ordeal. The term Stockholm Syndrome was coined by the criminologist and psychiatrist Nils Bejerot, who assisted the police during the robbery, and referred to the syndrome in a news broadcast.
LEts put it this way, WHY CANT WE JUST VOTE THE OLD FASHION WAY????
I knwo that seems like a dumb question, but it would make cheating soo less frequent. Witht his world today and the fact that anything can be hacked, even a cell phone, it would be smart to not use any electronic devices.
Thats just me.
email2michael Flag post @cat, No, it's not right leaning at all. Blackboxvoting.org works to expose the many rampant flaws in electronic voting systems in this country and the (right wing) political leanings of the main companies that produce them, Diebold, ES&S and ChoicePoint. --------------- youtube.com/profile?user=email2michael2
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i know you are a serious user who doesn't participate in childish debate so i'll check it out...be right back.
Something definitely doesn't smell right here. But I didn't like Obama's chances from jump. I was shocked he took Iowa. You've really gotta look at NH population. A somewhat low minority pop, high pop of old guard rich, white elites and well-to-do old school women's lib'ers. Its New England. The potential voter fraud was just icing on the cake imo.
Hurcules98....... check out that video of Bhutto thats going across the net. Her and the interviewer CASUALLY talk over the fact that Osama Bin Laden is already dead...like it's common knowledge.It probably is to everyone else except Americans. Say it with me BAMBOOZLED! The American media is deadly. They kill the heck outta braincells!
@cat4everrr
NH: "First in the nation" (with corporate controlled secret vote counting)
81% of New Hampshire ballots are counted in secret by a private corporation named Diebold Election Systems (now known as "Premier"). The elections run on these machines are programmed by one company, LHS Associates, based in Methuen, MA. We know nothing about the people programming these machines, and we know even less about LHS Associates. We know even less about the secret vote counting software used to tabulate 81% of our ballots. People like to say "but we use paper ballots! They can always be counted by hand!"
But they're not. They're counted by Diebold. Only a candidate can request a hand recount, and most never do so. And a rigged election can easily become a rigged recount, as we learned in Ohio 2004, where two election officials were convicted of rigging their recount.
Source: Democracy For New Hampshire www democracyfornewhamps hire dot com/node/view/5307
Obama cannot request a recount simply because it will paint him as a sore loser and he will loose credibility with white voters.
email2michael Flag post @cat4everrr Actually New Hampshire does use Diebold touch screen machines. Check with black box voting
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----- i see where we are having the breakdown in communication. when you go to the site they are referencing the scanners, not touch screen. New Hampshire doesn't have use touch screen. Therefore there is a paper trail just in case people start making wild accusations like the election was hacked. there is no computer to hack.
theresa Flag post @Cat4everrr Tell us do you get paid well for sitting here all day, working for the Hil&Bill Campaign?
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Theresa if you want to have a serious conversation let me know. If you are looking to engage in childish behavior you are better off conversing with some one else. otherwise, i'll skip over your comments and keep the conversation to the adults in the room.
AFRICAN AMERICANS, YOU ALL ARE SO EDUCATED BUT YET SO IGNORANT. STOP RATTLING OVER RUBBISH, LET ME REMIND U OBAMA IS AFRICAN AND NOT AFRICAN AMERICAN. BOTTOM LINE HILLARY WON ***.H AND TRUT ME THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING OF OBAMA'S DOWNFALL. OBAMA WOULD LOOSE WORE THAN EDWARDS. MEDIA IS JUST HELPING OBAMA. IF U GO TO HIS CONFERENCE AND HERE HIS SPEECH, ITS SO INSPIRATIONAL YES, BUT WHEN U GO HOME SIT BACK AND TRY TO UNDERSTAND OBAMA U WOULD BE LIKE WHAT DA HELL DID HE SAY OTHER THAN JUST USE THE WORD "HOPE" AND "CHANGE". OBAMA IS A FRAUD, HE HAS THE CHARACTERISTICS OF WHAT YOU CALL THE ANTI CHRIST.OBAMA IS ALL TALK AND NO WALK.IT WOULD SHOCK U ALL TO KNOW THAT OBAMA WONT BE YOUR NEXT PRESIDENT. "MEDIA *** TELL US WHO OUR MESSIAH SHOULD BE" A LADY PHRASED THAT STATING SO MANY PEOPLE SHARE HER SAME THOUGHT, THAT MEDIA IS MAKING OBAMA BIGGER THAN WHAT HE IS. YOU ALL ARE YET TO SEE MORE DOWNFALL OF OBAMA. BELIEVE ME.
*** , I cant believe how many black peole dont even want a AFRICAN as president and this man has coem from our ancestors. This is truly a disturbing thing. Even if you dont like him, at least show some respect that in this country in this time, that a black/african man CAN run for presidency. IT seems that none of you care. I am soo happy and proud that a black man can run for president over a woman. Color is the issue in this country and it is about to breakdown because of Obama.
I understand and respect some of you decisions of going for hillary, but please dont deny the fact that we have a respectable black man running as pres.
@ King:
Why are you suprised that Obama won Iowa. NH has a majority of white people as Iowa did. When hilary decided to have a tea party and cry with menopausal retired WHITE woman, Thats what supposedly got her the "vote". I belileve if she didnt cry she wouldnt have got that state. My opinion :)
monisha....Obama rides with the hope message because he has the least experience of all the candidates. So it is a political strategy not devilish tactics. Thats why you are left with a ..."what did he say" because he's basically saying Look, I don't have alot to say with teeth right now but I do know I am ready for a change. AND IM GOING TO BRING IT. His people know that what he lacks in experience he makes up for in charisma. So they are riding with it! And it's been working. He's saying America needs FRESH blood. Not another CLINTON dynasty. You are entitled to your own opinion but I just think there is a distinct difference between campaign strategy and the ANTI CHRIST...LAWD. (p.s im cool on the anti christ being a brother...lol to noticeable to fool folks.)
Sosincere, I need you to direct me to that Bhutto video. I can't find it. I was joking abt the pms but don't sleep on Hillary people. She's married to Bill (who I adore) but they are calculating, cunning, manipulative and down right fraudulent. They didn't get this far by playing nice. I still can't make my mind up about Obama.. his mysterious background scares me.
crying is NOT a sign of weakness. It's a sign that you are emotional in some way. PERIOD. The only reason to do it in private is because of the PERCEPTIONS of others. If those whom you are dealing percieve crying to look weak then yes be smart...do it someplace else. But that still don't make it "Weak". It just means perceptions are varied. Hillary's crying in my opinion won her a state. Bush's crying won him some approval points after 911 when he needed to make that case to go to war.
theresa Flag post That is my conversation with you. people are on here with great concerns and you are on here working!!! PEOPLE LOOK @ ALL OF CAT4ever comments! Nothing wrong with getting paid! We all have to work Lady man or what ever!!!
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Theresa,
Okay...let me take a step back and first thank you for making your point without all the name calling. Having said that, you may be surprised to know that I am still torn between Obama and Clinton. I come here to hear others views on Obama. Right now I'm leaning towards Clinton. I’m sure you view me as a nuisance. Others who support Obama might view me as an opportunity, a vote that could be swayed. I could never change my opinion based on some of the language and name calling that I see used by some of the users here. On the other hand there are others who are interested in having a real debate. I am an individual who takes civil duties like voting vote seriously. I actually show up on election day. Either way, you are free to have your own beliefs. I respect that. I work for myself by the way. I have complete freedom over calendar. If I choose to take time and discuss a matter that is of great importance to me I’m free to do that. I'm sure you are more comfortable believing that I'm some minimum wage earning campaign worker. I understand. Do you Theresa.
@sosincere I CONGRATULATE YOU ON DELIVERING YOUR OWN POINT WITHOUT INSULT KUDOS. I PERSONALLY THINK OBAMA IS NOT THE CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENCY, FINE HE CAN BE THE VICE PRESIDENT BUT NOT PRESIDENT. BUT I CAN'T HELP BUT KNOW THAT OBAMA IS NOT THE PRESIDENT REGARDLESS OF THE HYPE HE HAS BEHIND HIM, HE IS NOT THE PRESIDENT NEITHER IS HILLARY. OBAMA IS GIFTED WITH INSPRATIONAL SPEECH THAT CAN MOVE MOUNTAINS, BUT IT TAKES A REALLY SMART PERSON NOT TO GET MANIPULATED BY OBAMA'S SPEECH. I ASSURE ANYONE THAT OBAMA WILL LOOSE THIS ELECTION, BUT WOULD HAVE HIGH PUBLIC FIGURE.
LOL @ CRISLEX......you know it's coming! CHOCOLATEVIXEN....Im with you I think she did it on purpose too or at the very least knew she could let that gaurd down a lil. I would't be surprised if it were rehearsed! I don't trust politicians. But Im just cool on those who want to make an indictment on ALL women based on emotion. As far as that Bhutto video Go to playahata.com. They have it on there. Its CRAZY!!!!!!
Enter Lonnydan's alter ego monisha. (I still think their white ppl...maybe even the same person)
@monisha
First off Obama was born in the U.S. making him an AMERICAN.His wife and daughters are BLACK AMERICANS. Why attempt some weak divide and conquer technique, when we all know these facts. The man's mother was American and so were the Grandparents that raised him. The man never lived on the Countinent of Africa. Second many Africans suffered through slavery and colonialism ( hundreds of millions were killed )just like their American counterparts.However due to ignorance and a lack of African history being taught in our schools; many are unaware of these facts.
@cat4everrr
I'm almost certain they do have touch screen voting, I'll have to keep searching and get back to you but in any event I do enjoy serious debate and discussion. I also come to MTO to make silly comments about celebrities but on the flip side having intelligent discussion with people who are from different political and theoretical viewpoints (like yourself) than I am is also enjoyable. I'm mature enough to disagree without letting the discussion sink to a childish namecalling level, I wish everyone else was though! lol
LOL@ Crislex, thanks sosincere, I'm going to look at it right now. It's ironic that on the day that Bhutto was killed she was going to meet with some U.S. Senators to talk about voter fraud for the upcoming elections in Pakistan.. We can't control that in our own country. How were we gonna help them?
NO MATTER WHO ENDORSES OBAMA HE WILL LOOSE. OBAMA THINKS HE IS A GOD NOW. MEDIA PUTS HILLARY DOWN. AND GUESS WHAT PEOPLE "GOD WOULD NEVER EVER PUT HIS PEOPLE DOWN". MEDIA CAN HYPE OBAMA ALL THEY WANT, BUT YOU SEE GOD HAS A PLAN FOR HIS REAL PEOPLE. OBAMA IS A FAKE, A FAKE. AND PEOPLE WOULD SOON START SEEING RIGHT THROUGH HIM, THAT HE IS A WANNA BE MARTIN LUTHER KING. HE HAD A PROBLEM WITH HIP HOP BEFORE, ON BET HE WAS ASKED HIS TAKES ON HIP HOP NOW AND THE LIAR HAD THE NERVES TO LIE THAT HE HAS STARTED LISTENING TO JAYZ. BLACKS KEEP BEING MANIPULATED, HE WILL FAVOUR MORE WHITES THAN US. LOOK AT OPRAH FOR EXAMPLE, WHAT RACE DOES SHE FAVOUR MORE LOL. "THINK BEFORE YOU VOTE"
@ Monisha:
Oprah doesnt favor whites, thats the audience that is attracted to her. And I kind of dont like oprah but I respect that because in what country do you know where a mojority of white people will listen to and respect a black woman?
And when did Obama claim he was better than god. If anything I believe that GOD is on his side in this race and that anything is possible. Like i said before I am proud to see a person of color run for office. And he is no wanna be MLK if anything I kind of see MLK in him. He was probrably inspired by MLK and that is a great role model to immulate.
I cant believe that a few black people would have no hope or at least respect for this man of color for running for president.
To all who have commented, I appreciate that.
Struggle and sacrifice is one thing. Stupidity and ignorance is another. Hope is great but as it says that if you dont have faith and charity, you are lacking. The examples of assaination from Bhutto, JFK, and Lincoln are there to say the THREAT of it is real. Don't get me wrong, Obama might be able to be like David who had Jonathan to protect him from the wrath of Saul. But, we have not found Jonathan yet. The same secret service that is there to protect him is still in the hands of you know who BUSH. So, what I am giving you is a conscience so that you don't get swallowed up in believing this fairy tale.
This election is actually turning into what happened in 2004. Remember when Dean won IA b/c he was against the war. Eventually Kerry came out as the Democratic delegate. Just relax and let the political process work before you rush to crown someone.
This is real exciting w/o determining who should be in for the Democrats. Both Clinton and Obama are playing a chess game to get votes. It will get ugly b/c as many of the pundits have stated race will play a part. Remember what happened to harold ford, jr at the end with the Republican video of a white girl from the playboy mansion which had him effectively loose the senator position.
Obama just better make sure who has no skeletons in his closet or make sure he can hide it very well. Because it will get ugly. You mark my word. This country is like Great Britain and they will be damned if they let a smooth talking mix blood who could be muslim come in and take the white house.
@ Crislex
ALL I CAN SAY MA'AM IS THAT MAY GOD GIVE US THE BEST. NOT COS OBAMA IS BLACK AND I AM BLACK SO THEREFORE HE IS GOOD NOR HILLARY IS A LADY AND I AM A LADY THEREFORE SHE IS GOOD. EVERYONE SLEEPS ON EDWARDS AND U NEVER EVER KNOW HOW GOOD HE WILL TURN THIS COUNTRY. AND FUNNY IT'S MUSN'T BE DEMOCRAT TO MAKE THE COUNTRY BETTER. I FEEL, WE AS A COUNTRY INDIVIDUALLY AND COLLECTIVELY IF WE DONT LEAVE AN IMMACULATE LIFE GOD WOULD NOT SEND US THE BEST. THEY SAY CHARITY BEGINS AT HOME. EVERY RACE IS RACIST TOWARDS EACH OTHER, THERE IS SO MUCH HATE IN THE COUNTRY, SO MUCH VIOLENCE. THIS COUNTRY WOULD TAKE A STRONG CHRISTIAN TO CHANGE IT NOT JUST AN INSPIRATIONAL SPEAKER
CHOCOLATEVIXEN.... You know that turmoil over in Kenya right now with the alleged voter fraud, well the GOOD OLD western powers were over there fanning those flames. Talking about "there seems to be clear evidence of voter fraud" WTF? Now they have yet (at least at the time of THAT report) sent A peacekeeping crew over there to help the innocent folks from being killed but got the nerve to instigate!
@ interesting:
The skeletons in Obama's closet has come out a few times and unlike some candidates that would deny what they have doen in the past, he admitted to it. I respect him for saying he experienced drug use in school and regretted that. It makes him more of a person because who hasnt experienced with something in college or high school. Whent hey claimed that had files and papers against Hilarys he was scared as *** as to what might happen with her campaign.
If there are any more skeletons in his closet I would not rather him hid it "very well", but take the same action he has taken when they reported him using drugs when he was younger, admitt and move on.
This country is soo bent on what someone has done in thier past that they forget thier life is not picket white too. If Obama knew when he was in college that he was going to run for president, do you think he would have taken a hit of that bong? lmoa..
Our own president was said to do cocaine(???), I didnt see him speak about that. and we all can see that COCAINE IS ONE HELL OF A DRUG!!!!
This Presidential election is a sham based on false preceptions. Obama screams CHANGE but change to what??? He's been elected to office since 1997(11 yrs);three years longer than Hillary. Hillary Clinton is the biggest joke w/ her 35 years of experience ***!t. She was first elected to public office in 2000. THAT'S JUST 8 year!! If being married to a President/Govenor counts as experience for the job, then hell lets elect Laura or Barbara Bush. Keeping in mind NY state is notorious for electing Senators who've lived outside the State with name recogniztion (Bobby Kennedy in the 60's from MA)and money. She banked on her husbands name and followed the Kennedy blue print to become a U.S. Senator from ***.Y.;an easy State to spring board into the White House. She's been ploting this move for decades,putting up with all of Bill's sh!t just to gain power. She doesn't give a *** about the American ppl.
monisha...well Ive been known to dislike white folks so I guess Im out...lol. But on the real by your own standards Obama seems to be a good fit. If we go base this purely on social change OBAMA is the man! He got that whole we are the world mentality. His mom is white but to me he don't come acrosss as that uncle tom character. He generally seems very well rounded on race. The problem as I see it is there are WAY more pressing issues than social ones. And for some reason it seems as if none NONE of the democratic candidates are adressing them effectively. But Im riding with Obama. Since I know Dr. Paul is not going anywhere....:(
@ Monisha:
I fell you, but I think that the last thing we need is some person who is a bible thumper trying to push thier religion on the USA. Now I understand that a mojority of the US is christian based, but as this coutnry accepts more and more races, cultures and other religions, I believe that religion should be kept private int he presidential candidates life than be made public to perspective voters. *Mike Huckabee.
I believe in GOD but I dont go to church like that and I go through my life with him in my personal way. i cannot stand when people who are asoo christian tell me what i need to do with my life and body and mind. Now jus thtink that if we had a very religious christian president: What will happen to the choice of women's rights and her body? What will happen to all the mosque and temples of others in this country?
Spare me the religion and take about the issue if you want to be president.
I TELL U WHAT. OBAMA WINNING IN IOWA WAS NO MISTAKE. HILLARY WINNING IN NEW HAMPSHIRE EITHER WAS NO MISTAKE. THIS TELLS PEOPLE MEDIA DOESNT HAVE THE FINAL SAY BUT GOD. SOMETIMES THERE METEROLOGIST, SAYS IT WOULD RAIN AND IT WOULDN'T. MEDIA HAS CROWNED OBAMA THE PRESIDENT, GOD HASN'T. MEDIA THOUGHT COS HILLARY IS A CLINTON, SHE WOULD GO FAR, GOD DIDNT THINK THAT. I TELL YOU THE MEDIA AND THE PEOPLE WOULD BE LEFT WITH EGGS ON THEIR FACES. NOW WHEN U PUT SOMEONE DOWN TO LIFE ANOTHER THE PERSON U ARE TRYING TO LIFT WOULD FALL LOWER THAN THE PERSON U PUT DOWN. AND WHAT HAPPENED IN ***.H IS WHAT MY PROVERB MEANS. THE MEDIA PUT HILLARY DOWN, WENT AS FAR AS DISSING HER INDIRECTLY, AND GOD SAID NO I WOULD SHOCK THE CROWD AND PUT HER UP AND THATS ALL HE DID. MADE HER WIN. THE POLL WAS NOT WRONG, IT HAPPENED TO SHOW AND TELL MEDIA OBAMA AINT NO GOD. I AM HAPPY TO SEE A PERSON WILLING TO CHANGE THE COUNTRY. I AM NOT HAPPY COS A BLACK MAN OR A WOMAN IS CAMPAINING THATS JUST LAME. IF OBAMA WAS FULL WHITE, MOST OF Y'ALL WOULD CALL HIM SHADY. "DO NOT BLING YOUR EYES FROM THE TRUTH COS HE IS BLACK".
(sosincere) I don't know where your facts are coming from cause it sounds to me that you have been fed that sh-t you're talking about. Hillary haven't won 1 debate on addressing the issues facing our country so what are you talking about? Hillary only tells people what she thinks they want to hear and it kills me to think that a person is DUMB enough to vote for a person because she cried or because she is a woman. Hillary got her husband Bill trying to fight her battles now, so what the hell is she going to do if she won the White House, cry and call Bill Ha!Ha!Ha! It's taking both of them and they ground crew to try to win, so common since should tell you that she is not qualified nor strong enough to beat Obama honestly.(interesting) It is very interesting how dumb you really are (smile) You're talking about Collin Powell was a real legitmate canidate for president, but if you really new what you were talking about your dumb *** would know that Collin Powell was on television yesterday talking about how strong his issues was on moving this country in the right direction. He talked about how smart and moving he was as a canidate having the gift to bring both parties together which no president have ever been able to do. I'm not voting for Obama because he's black, I'm voting for him because he's the best canidate.One more thing (interesting) you're just a raciest spoiled bastered that's hating the fact that a black man is about to run this dam country Ha!Ha! Why don't your broke *** move to Great Britain, I'm sure your *** *** would blend in just fine Ha!Ha! (I'm Out)
@ interesting - I agree with you. It's just not gonna happen. Hate to be the bearer of bad news but it will be a bright happy sunny day in hell b/f these [EXPLETIVE] let a "smooth talking brother" win. As things heat up they will be starting their own version of "Vote or Die" campaigns a la Puffy.
Sincere - I watched it and I had to go back over and over agin. I can't believe she said it so matter of factly. An NBC reporter just came out last week to say that a few years ago he was called in his hotel room when he went out to do an assignment and given direct orders not to get the Bin Laden family involved in a piece that he was doing about Osama b/c NBC has business dealings with them and didn't want to ruffle any feathers. That family is very protected by corporate america which is really the folks who run America. Michael Moore wasn't crazy or lying when he exposed that. But of course we don't want to believe that our government would go so far.
I've said it once and I'll say it again. The Popular voting process in America is a farce. Only the white men in the Electoral college (and part of the Masonic Order a.***.a. the Illuminati) have the power to put who they want in the seat of the President.
Wake up my black family! The New World Order is upon us. Did you know the U.S. was secretly changed into the North American Union (making Canada, Mexico, & U.S. one sovereignty). Have you heard about the Amero Dollar replacing the U.S. dollar? Why do you think those in power don't give a *** about closing our borders?
Next time you're outside, especially if you live in a big city, check out the Chem Trails in the sky being made by secret planes. These are clouds of biological warfare (to be eventually used in Iraq) that our government is secretly testing on us, and is behind the recent superbug staph infections hitting ***.Y. and other American cities, as well as the pneumonia outbreak.
Later this year when the National I.D. comes, DO NOT TAKE ONE! It will contain a Verichip which is a tracking device. It's a major step in their plan to turn this into a cashless society and they're making it so you will not be able to travel, get a job, or apply for goverment benefits without taking the Card. The government will be able to track your every move if you have the I.D. in your wallet or purse. Their next plan is to place the Verichip in our right hand. You won't be able to buy or sell without it. I am not joking. We need your help to join the revolution to say NO to their plan for a One World Government. Facism isn't dead, it is secretly alive and is coming back!
I've said it once and I'll say it again. The Popular voting process in America is a farce. Only the white men in the Electoral college (and part of the Masonic Order a.***.a. the Illuminati) have the power to put who they want in the seat of the President.
Wake up my black family! The New World Order is upon us. Did you know the U.S. was secretly changed into the North American Union (making Canada, Mexico, & U.S. one sovereignty). Have you heard about the Amero Dollar replacing the U.S. dollar? Why do you think those in power don't give a [EXPLETIVE] about closing our borders?
Next time you're outside, especially if you live in a big city, check out the Chem Trails in the sky being made by secret planes. These are clouds of biological warfare (to be eventually used in Iraq) that our government is secretly testing on us, and is behind the recent superbug staph infections hitting ***.Y. and other American cities, as well as the pneumonia outbreak.
Later this year when the National I.D. comes, DO NOT TAKE ONE! It will contain a Verichip which is a tracking device. It's a major step in their plan to turn this into a cashless society and they're making it so you will not be able to travel, get a job, or apply for goverment benefits without taking the Card. The government will be able to track your every move if you have the I.D. in your wallet or purse. Their next plan is to place the Verichip in our right hand. You won't be able to buy or sell without it. I am not joking. We need your help to join the revolution to say NO to their plan for a One World Government. Facism isn't dead, it is secretly alive and is coming back!
@Crislex,
I love the way you talk woman and it definitely doesn't hurt that you're fine too.
The first thing I thought when I heard that Hillary won NH was ***!!! I do not see how in the fugg she won when Obama was smashing her *** in the beginning. It makes no sense. I don't know how true this story is but it definitely wouldn't surprise me if it's true because this *** is not something that can't happen. That whole crying *** really made me know that Hillary should not be in this race. Unfortunately it showed that a woman president is too emotional for a big responsiblity like this and I don't mean to offend any of the sistas on here but let's keep it real, how in the fugg are you gonna run the country and then cry when some *** not going your way. Hillary needs to go sit her fuggin *** down somewhere foreal because if she gets the democratic ticket she's gonna lose any fuggin way and another fugged up republic bush type *** like John McCain will end up winning. HILLARY JUST GRACEFULLY BOW OUT AND STOP FUGGIN UP VOTES AND ***, NOBODY NEEDS YOUR EMOTIONAL FUGGED UP *** IN OFFICE. SIT YO *** THE FUGG DOWN. Foreal.
akan...uhhh yeah! So what if she was smart enough to use her husband to further her own political interests! Great move if thats what she wants to do! Im cool on the 35year experience thing...(they counted that debate in the cafeteria in Grad school, the undergrad student senate chair she held..everything) But I do have to give her credit as first lady. She wasn't the lets put an after school program in the ghetto type first lady. She was really a hands on elanor rosevelt type woman. Thats why it was so easy for her to transition. So I would count it as experience. My husband runs his own business. Ive been so involved HANDS ON with him and it for so long now I gaurentee I could start my own. Same thing!
This is not a surprise at all. The people who have the power are not the ones who vote...it's the ones (or machines) that COUNT the votes.
If Americans let them get away with this again (this would be the 3rd election in a row stolen),then we deserve the fascist system that we are quickly descending into.
The fact that the liberal state of NH would vote for 2 neo-con warmongers (Hillary Clinton & John McCain) should have raised eyebrows the world over.
(monisha) Do not bling your eyes to the fact that Hillary is weak, selfish, spoiled, haven't won 1 debate, need constant help from her husband, tell anybody what she thinks they want to hear, just months ago supported the warbut now don't, and just don't have a *** clue about nothing pertaining to the real facts. (I'm Out)
Shawn - please learn to debate more nicer. You *** call people "stupid" and "dumb" just b/c you don't agree with them.
Those of you who are interested in watching a brilliant campaign *** go out and get "The War Room". I saw it a few years ago and it is absolutely fascinating. It *** Bill Clinton's 1992 presidential campaign against Bush Sr. HIs political strategist is James Carville. He was the brain behind the campaign. Also in the *** is George Stephanopoulos who was sometimes the press secretary for Clinton when he becomes elected. You will not be disappointed and awed at how this campaign was run and how every time they had stumbling blocks they quickly found a strategy to fix it. This is what Obama is up against. I feel sorry for him.
As of earlier this week there has been talks that Carville is being asked to run Hillary's campaign as she has a different political strategist. They are not happy with whomever is running her campaign because he makes her look too "unlikeable". Carville has said that he will think about it only if the current guy leaves. If he does accept to run her campaign, it's over for Obama because there is no way he can plan on giving speeches of hope as his strategy.
This is going to be a very interesting year...
First of all, Hillary thought she would lose and never wrote a victory speech.
2nd NEW HAMPSHIRE used PAPER BALLOTS and not electronic voting machines. It is true they had to find more PAPER BALLOTS so folks could vote.
Stop with the BS. I'm for Hillary but I will support Obama should he win the nomination. Black people need to stop letting these news people who don't want a female President nor a BLACK President tell you how to think.
The media screwed up because they hate her. She did not cry but rather had to hold back to keep from letting go.
You females are the worst as if you never cried. And she wasn't losing. Iowa was a CAUCUS. New Hampshire was the first primary where Americans actually got to cast votes.
Keep it together people. MTO stop spreading misinformation about serious sh^t! Stick to gossip and leave politics to people who care about it.
thelast2know.... that north american collaboration thing is REAL...really a possibility anyway. It is not finalized but it is definately in the makings. They are trying to increase the strength of that dollar. That national ID thing is scary too. That also is just flat out info for the world to see. They don't hide it cause we are either apathetic or don't look. See my boy Ron Paul said he is cool on ALLLLLL THAT! He may be a racist devil but just eliminate this big brother ish!....lol. Thats why again I am soooo suoer cool on the democratic candidates. None of them address the stuff I want to talk about. But since I got to pick Im still going with Obama.
@ Vixen,
i cannot believe that they are balming her political stratgist as portraying her 'unlikeable" Hilary is a grown thinking person and she *** blame her unlikability on someone working hard for her. SHe was unlikeable years ago and still unlikable now.. lmao..but good info:)
Again, Hilary piggybacking on her husband.. *** get your own life HIl..lmao
Can any1 tell me what President or in that matter leader of fany country cried to win votes? This is a pure sign of weakness i'm sorry that women seem to take it to heart but no country needs some1 that will tear up when the going gets ruff. If u will cry at a simple ? what do u think she would do if a terrorist attack happens sit there and boo hoo i mean *** at least Bush sat there (all be it looking stupid) but he didn't shed a tear in front of the people, imagine if he would have broke down and started crying we would have had every nation blowing *** up over here.
@ Monisha
Alright sista, Go ahead and vote for the white man because thats what your starting to sound like. Now your bashing this man instead of giving knowledgable facts to support your decision against him. Hilary is fake to, she is a fraud and also seems to be using white woman as her pedalstal to get into the white house.
Stop acting like you dont have skeletons in your closet because I know I do and so do many others on this site, even the Writers of MTO.
ahhhhhh darn it DUB R!!!!! Yes bush did! They were calculated and they were planned but HE CRIED....IN PUBLIC! He cried when he was at a press conference after 911 when talking about the loss of "american lives". He had to pause and collect himself. I remember that distinctly! But they said it showed his "human side" It was a sign of TRUE COMPASSION! But when a woman do it...(calculated also) it's WEAK? BLACK WOMEN..... Please know that even if you are riding with Obama (as I am ) that we live in a white MANS society. We as women face the same bigotry and stereotypes as we do as being black. BLACK WOMEN ARE THE STRONGEST CREATURES ON THE PLANET, I SWEAR....(as I look for my chaka kahns "Im every woman" download.)
@ DubR:
Ill say this, Through all the *** that Bhutto been through before her assassination, DID YOU EVER SEE HER CRY IN PUBLIC?????
That woman was in a country where is was targeted to be killed among her other opposition leaders. She didnt shed a tear on cam to show a sign of striff in front of her people. Not because she was in a male dominated country, but because she knew what was up.
Now Clinton crying over this presidency, thats a bamma move. she should have taken it to her bus, or probraly been more sincere with her words instead of crying in public. Bhutto handled her position like a strong defiant woman. I am just upset that she is no longer with her country.
I think alot of Americans are truly tried and scared and they have started to romanticize of the good old days when Clinton was in office. Back then our only problem was our President getting head by an intern. Oh how I miss those days. I think alot of people feel that way and they think if Hillary becomes president it will be as if Bill is president.... again
Sadly, it's a different world now. We have subprime loan crisis, mass foreclosures, two wars being fought concurrently, illegal immigrants who need to breath (for crying out loud), Iraq is now a "democratic" country and the list goes on.
Watching Bill Clinton stump for Hillary he looks old and tired.. like a shaggy dog. I like him but I think he's best suited for the private sector as Gore has done for the environment. We need something different.. Just don't know who is going to fill those shoes.
africangirl Flag post Last *** on my local news (PHILLY)accordling to the news caster and a republic & democract specialist they actually said they both won evenly they were explaning how i was interupted never found out how .
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i agree, i don't think any big winners came out of new hampshire. she only won by 3 points. that's hardly a mandate
@sosincere,
Of course I miss you, LOL!!! How are you today?
@Whatever dumb *** this applies to,
Now about this whole Hillary *** and for those who keep bashing Obama. It's like someone said the other day, niccas always have their reasons for not supporting Obama down to a fuggin science but they don't have that same *** down for why they're not voting for or are voting for the rest of those white ***. If you're a black person and you don't like Obama for whatever dumb *** fuggin reason you make yourself feel comfortable with keep that *** to yourself because the last thing I want to hear from a nicca is why he's not supporting another nicca and supporting some pink ***. I DO NOT WANT TO HEAR THAT *** so take your sambo buckwheat sell out *** somewhere else with that crab in a barrell ***.
(chocolatevixen)It's not no such thing as more nicer, next time leave more out of it using the word nicer along in your sentence "OK" Baby girl I don't know what you have seen Hillary do to impress you, but you have seen something everybody else haven't Ha!Ha! Obama haven't let any of those stupid comments made by Hillary and her husband fase him at all which shows how classy he really must be as a person. For the record, I keep seeing you refer to Obama's speeches as if you have a problem with them. Obama speaks from the heart just like martin King did and people can feel what they are saying . That is a gift from above it's not something that can be rehearsed like others do. OBAMA will be president because he is the best canidate not because he's black. (I'm Out)
@ sosincere: You are right...Ron Paul may be a biggot, but this secret government s.h.i.t is much bigger than black/white. It's worldwide and I don't plan on playing the game. I may vote for the cracka Ron Paul however much of this nation's dismantling is already taking place.
@ chocolatevixen: (luv your pic btw) I didn't mean to scare you only to make you mad. Mad enough to write to your Congressman and say I don't want this s.h.i.t. I'm just as fearful as everyone else too, but these men in power are banking on our fears that we can do nothing. We can!
chocolatevixen
hawn Flag post (chocolatevixen)It's not no such thing as more nicer, next time leave more out of it using the word nicer along in your sentence
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@ chocolatevixen
just leave it alone until he learns how to communicate. you should do like i do and just skip over his comments until he's ready for real debate. he ain't ready
chocolatevixen.... lol at that comment about "another Osama bin Laden". Really they said it so care free. But what got me was the interviewer didn't miss a beat. no "what??? Osama's dead? Then why is the Us hunting for him. Maybe someoune should call President Bush"......crazy!!!!!
illslogic.... can't complain. Back at it again today. Same story same position! Same waste of time at work.
chocolatevixen Flag post LOL @ Shawn... that's your best defense, my grammatical error.
I'm gonna take cat4everr's advice and give you the hand.
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he should head over to community news. i'm almost postitive they got a thread going with a whole lot of cussing, fussing and name calling. i'm sure he would feel more at home over there.
I honestly think that yes Obama is very charismatic, but that is not the only thing that he has going for him. For the crazy person in here saying that she doesn't know who he is (Monisha), get his book and read about his life. His life is not this big ball of mystery that showed up a year ago. Hell how much do you know about any of the candidate whose name was inexistent to mainstream culture. He is a man that stand for change. If you go to his website and look at his videos and hear his wife speak on how she met him, you can tell he really cares about the welfare of ppl.
He has a law degree, but chose to spend his time not working a lawyer making big bucks, but community organizing. I know that community organizing is hard and takes dedication and passion, b/c I am a community organizing. It is not a glamorous career, you have to really care about the ppl to enter this line of work. And if there is a possibility that this man could be assassinated simply b/c of his skin color, then how selfless is this man to put his life on the line to create change. Dang Black ppl don't kill the man before it happens. These negative type of ppl are the reason that ppl are afraid to take change for the better of all.
You don't have to be conspiracy theorists about everything and everyone. Some of you conspiracy theorists make sense, and some of you just sound downright crazy and miserable.
I don't know if all this mess about machines messing up is true, but many of you don't know that the lady that asked the question that Hillary was answering when she started crying/ breaking up, didn't even end up voting for Hillary. She said that in the midst of Hillary crying, she was still using this tactic to talk bad about Obama. That is what her whole race has been about, discrediting Obama (experience). That's all she can say, but the man actually has more experience than she has.
I just gotta close cause I'm getting irritated at ignorant ppl, who, if you did ur research would know what all the candidates stand for.
illslogic....thanx :). I just think he got me confused with someone else.
You crack me up ....you went from Tea time at noon with "and how are you today" and then jumped to *** in the air, all black, black boots, with a red black and green medalion on with "take your sambo buckwheat sell out *** somewhere else with that crab in a barrell ***." lol.... thats why we get along cause I do it too at times. (ususally when provoked)But we go use sugar to attract the flies not *** today.
@ CRISLEX well i think most black folks dont dont want a black president because if he gets killed you think jena 6 was bad there will be an all out race war again between blacks and whites 4real.and if hilary wins the arabs will laugh at america and not take us seriously at all because we have women for president.just look how they treat there own women like trash.how they see it is a man will alway be stronger than a women to them women are weak and below them.and when hilary did that cryin sh!t them arabs was probally looking like they know they will be able to walk all on us.to me as a black women being a president is a job for a man not a women.you have to be strong to be a president.but women are just naturally emotional.and what she just showed when she cried is if she become president anything that goes wrong she wont be able to take it and will break.and thats not good for this country cause presedents are represinting their country and cryin shows a sign of weakness and will make the country look weak 4real.IM VOTING 4 OBAMA ALL THE WAY BABY!!!!
crislex.... bhutto is from a MUCH different cultural and political climate that we are over her. So it DEFINATELY would not been wise for her to cry...especially not at a assasination attempt. BUT when in Rome you do as the Romans do. The US is so wishy washy and controlled BY MEDIA that the media can spin that crying anyway they please and get folks to ride with it. Hillary crying won her piblic opinion over here. But even if she was sincerely sick wit it I don't believe that woulda made her anyless strong than Bhutto who shed no tears that I saw in public. But I wasn't following her until that 1st assasination attempt...so I don't know. She may have.
@ Sosincere:
I feel you on that, but at the same time woman still have it some what unufair in AMerica. And in most work places and public places a woman who is hysterical and crying doesnt really react well.
And with hilary running in a previously male dominated race, she should have controlled her emotions, in my opinion. it is bad enought hat men think that we are too emotional and weak and we think with our hearts and not our minds when we are stressed, and then she goes to cry on t.v at a coffee party. And if that little meeting was supposed to be an intimate moment, why was there camera crews there if she was intimately meeting with the NH residents?/
Smell like a set-up :)
@cat4everrr
I have been a regular reader of MTO, but never registered to post a comment. However, upon reading Cat4everrr's responses, I was compelled to sign up. I'm not on here to criticize anyone as we are all entitled to our opinions. However, if the MTO age demographic serves correctly on this post, I am overly impressed with you Cat4everrr.
It does not matter to me whom you support, but your willingness to conduct research, mett out the true issues and know intimately of what you speak is commendable.
Conspiracy theory or not, this is a huge election and it's not about tearing down the candidates who represent a new administration and new way of thinking. And I endorse the party and candidate that provides same. So, while I have already chosen a candidate to endorse during the primary season, I refuse to become disillusioned and allow my early vote to make me take my eyes off the prize. This race is bigger than Obama, Hillary and Edwards and only begins with the candidate(s) selected to run for office in November.
P.S. On John Kerry, it would have been more impressive to support Obama pre-Iowa!
P.S.S. If Bloomberg comes in as an independent, that will be a major impact.
@ CRISLEX & CAT4EVERRR my biggest issue is can a women handle the strongest richest county in the world.including terrorist nucler war, global warming, immigration, AIDS what about all these issues. all i hear her talk about health care health care health care like that the only major problem what about all the other issues? OBAMA AND CHANGE ALL THE WAY BABY!!!!!!!!
Im with you. Anyone who has LOST CONTROLL over their emotions are not too well recieved. Bushes Cowboy tactics with his "you hit us we are going to strike, and punish and shock and awe"...all that testosterone was sooooo unnecessary! He was exercising the emotion of anger through vengefullness. Im not saying he shoulda cried and say"why ya'll do that" but it's still an emotion and should be looked at as such especially in in the context of judgement against a woman for using one. But when it's all said and done I think Hillary was playing it up a bit for the women in the room. But she is setting precedent for WOMEN just as Obama is setting precedent as a BLACK MAN. I got a lil girl and I want her to be able to be like look I can be president and still not be afraid to be a woman...emotions and all. She *** have to morph into no man to get respected! But Im still riding with Obama...lol.
So I had to create an account just to post on this topic. It's funny how people question EVERY OTHER item that MTO posts but when it something like this, everyone just assumes it to be true. Everybody on Obama's nuts ...have you ever heard him speak? Very intelligent man, but his speeches say NOTHING. All he says fifty million times is "It's time for a change" and he does not tell us how we are going to get there. Everybody that is talking about Hillary crying, she DIDN'T EVEN CRY! You guys are acting like she just broke down boo hoo crying and that is not the case. She got emotional...who cares? That's not a sign of weakness, it shows she cares! Hillary is the most qualified candidate and if a black man wasn't running, I think you would all agree.
thekute1.....health care is all we have been hearing from ANY of the democratic candidates. I blame the conductors of the debates. Those cornball questions. I would keep it personal and not broad. Can HILLARY handle them issues...not can a WOMAN. But I kinda see your point ...our nature is so different than the grime of politics and world domination that we do have to divorce a lil of that in order to play in present day politics. I don't know?????
@slimgirlmel: If Obama wasn't running, I would still be undecided like I am now. Obama is a good orator but hasn't offered any positions on issues as of yet. I'm still wating. Even if he wasn't in the ring, I don't think I'd vote for Hillary. There's too much corrupted baggage that comes with her. She and Bill may be teflon like John Gotti but there's still White Water, Travelgate, Monica L., Rose Law Firm, you name it. I'd probably vote Republican.
crislex...ohh. I thought they were in the process of a new show highlighting the life 12 year old middle school kids and thier boyfriend girl friend/ he said she said drama. Or maybe a reality show starring Black ex cons in a halfway house. Or maybe......(*insert your own horribly stereotypical show here*)
Keep in mind everyone, Hillary(the Clintons)and the Bush Family have a long history as being friends and business partners. Therefore, research the history of the Clintons (Bill) and then you will understand the bigger agenda that is taking place. It is time for us to execute our critical thinking skills.
cat4ever..... I don't think he has a chance at anything monumental but Independants wreck havoc on moderate votes. So with a race as close as this one it may be interesting. I just wish the primaries would be over. History is set with the OBAMA/CLINTON democratic presidential ticket, and History made again with the election of the first African American and first Woman in the white house! ....lol If EITHER one picks EDWARDS as a running mate if they pull the party nomination I am going to be P I S S E D!
@slimgirlmel, I have to disagree with you. Can you name one positive change that Hillary has done since being in office in 2000? She hasn't done a thing. If she does win, it will not be because she's what's best for America. It will be b/c she will most likely scare white folks into voting for her.
But, you do have to acknowledge that Obama has his fight cut out for him. He has no idea how nasty this is going to get. If you think her little alligator tears were bad, you ain't seen nothing yet. The Clintons are a force to reckon with. For those who thought she was going to slither away with her tail tucked in between her legs, think again. Poor sweet innocent civil rights fighing Obama will soon be introduced to the world of dirty politics in the next few months. I'm going to get my popcorn and sit back and watch this drama unfold as Bill and Hillary pull out every trick in their very big and powerful hats to outclever our sweet handsome boy.
Mark my words, there is no way in hell that Obama's new address will be 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. Anyone wants to hedge bets?
HILLARY DID VOTE FOR THE WAR IN IRAQ!!she sho did. if she pecomes president we will have a very good "health care" system for all.but more will die from AIDS and that will become a bigger issue,sea levels will be rising due to global warming,terrorist will bomb the empire state building the goldengate bridge and will bomb newyork subways and latino immigrants will take over and will be a spanish peaking country 4real.OBAMA ALL THE WAY BABY!!!!!!
We should not vote for Obama just because he is black. I think Hillary is more qualified. Look at all the things Bill (and Hillary) did for blacks when he was in office. Hillary health plan will insure ALL who are uninsured. Obama’s will not. People let’s vote for who we think will help OUR interest. Look in all the major cities. Most of the major cities have black mayors (our does) and crime is rampant. When they get in office they only seem to be interested in lining their own pockets with money. So let’s look at how each candidate positions are on the issues and vote on that and that alone. Remember Clarence Thomas.
@sosincere...*** I knew Osama was dead but you know what man I the government has found other ways to divert us from the real issues like gas rates and the war...now its MLB and steriods when will start acting like our parents and storm capital hill for answers I am ashamed of myself and my generation.
cat4everr you know congress is bringing some players back up there Feb 13th again to talk about steriods again. Ridiculous! You can everyone in congress and the oversight committee for this but not bring in exxon and others over how the made BILLIONS when you were supposedly in a gas crisis after Katrina come on!!!
I agree hercules..... But honestly they had me fooled cause I didn't think dude was dead. I just felt they went trying to find him ligitimately. I don't know whats wrong with us....me in particular. I can only get mad at myself. I think we are so apathetic to alot of stuff. Then those of us with wide eyes are like "look I see the majority of ya'll are ignorant and like it like that, so Im cool on putting myself out there for a bunch of folks who refuse to wake up!" Plus the enemy isn't as clear now. We don't have police dogs and stuff. Hell I turn on t.v and I see lil wayne make it rain so I might think it's alright...lol. Just hard to get people to be concerned.
(cat4everrr) You act like you want to eat oh girl (chocolatevixen) out or something. Both of ya'll have your views which are stupid and not saying much (In my opinion) Ha! Ha! I got more money to get but for whoever is hating on Obama "ESPECIALL if you are black and "Uncle Tomming" (OBAMA will win so Deal With It)***!! (I'm Out)
shawn Flag post (cat4everrr) You act like you want to eat oh girl (chocolatevixen) out or something. Both of ya'll have your views which are stupid and not saying much (In my opinion) Ha! Ha! I got more money to get but for whoever is hating on Obama "ESPECIALL if you are black and "Uncle Tomming" (OBAMA will win so Deal With It)***!! (I'm Out)
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i don't converse on grown-up issues with adults who have child level communication skills. stop being so childish and come back when you are ready for real talk....grown up's talking here, do you mind?
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we should all form a management group and offer our services to do the baseball investigation for the bargain basement price of 5 million dollars. we could get to see free baseball games and everything...lol
why does everyone keep saying they do not know Baracks stand? you can always go on his website...www.barackobama.com...he states his position on a variety of issues on this site...stop feeding us with tired and lazy reasons. if you want to know do your research instead of being force fed information by those that do not want him in office. do your own research and then decide.
btw...research is not finding out if he is black and thats it...
hercules.... my dude says all the time if he could vote (darn felony conviction) he would vote for Bush again and again. At first I was like YOU ARE NUTS but he said it GOT TO GET WORSE BEFORE IT GET BETTER! He'd rather have a SOB in office thats like look Im doin what I do for me and my crew and f' the rest of ya'll...rether than a fake we are the world cat that makes us complacent while things don't CHANGE! He said then maybe folks will wake up and DEMAND for some action. I don't know if I could go as far as to voting for Bush again.....BUT I SWEAR I SEE HIS POINT!
GEMINI615...Ive been to the sight....NUMEROUS times. And it gives alot of HOPE but there is still no clear cut planning on it. It talks about what he wants to see happen and what he proposes to do to fix it but does not state HOW. But to his defense NONE of them really do. So at least he got the hope part on lock!!!
@cat4everrr...my new MTO policy is I dont respond to haters or alternative lifestyles converters. They try to get you worked up and then your day is ruined ...TRUST ME I KNOW. Had one alternative lifestyler get me worked up about my personal photos im up in the middle of *** looking for more photos to prove myself to nobodies...lol they'll work you nerves and have acting outside your character!
"HATERS WITHOUT A POT TO P!SS IN WILL TRY TO P!SS IN YOURS....KEEP HATING CHUMPS!"
hercules98 Flag post @cat4everrr...my new MTO policy is I dont respond to haters or alternative lifestyles converters
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your my new e-best friend...lol. i try to surround myself with positive people. you know how in movies people put up the cross to prevent dracula from attacking them. that's how i feel about negative people. i don't want them bringing that mess around me.
sosincere Flag post GEMINI615...Ive been to the sight....NUMEROUS times. And it gives alot of HOPE but there is still no clear cut planning on it. It talks about what he wants to see happen and what he proposes to do to fix it but does not state HOW. But to his defense NONE of them really do. So at least he got the hope part on lock!!!
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i would like to hear how he will implement his ideas also. i hear so many people say it that i don't want to pile on.
@ sosincere
You are correct...ALL of the candidates say what they would do as president but do not say how...what is the difference with Barack? The difference is that people view blacks as dreamers and wishers and people that hope because we are never in high enough power to implement change and make those hopes and dreams and wishes a reality. This is one of the reasons why i am offended when people refer to Barack as ONLY a dreamer and person with hope. As a senator he has been able to back up his positions but everyone is not aware of this because they do not know about Barack Obama...and I say to those that don't...do your research instead of resting on ignorance. You do that and you are worst then the person that chose not to vote. So my comment was more for those that say they do now know where he stands on issues...his site clearly states where he stands...which is my point.
right it's cool that you want ever american child under the age of 25 to have gaurenteed healthcare but just HOW do propose to do that??? Through legislation? O.*** if so WHERE is this funding to extend these benifits coming from in a system where the budget for SSI is already running dry? New Taxes??? Ok on what or who??? Will that pass the house or the senate??? MY GOODNESS! I HATE RHETORIC!
i hate it too but the reasons given for the lack of support of Obama is BS...if one is going to vote for Hillary or whomever else do that...but if your reasoning is because he is not giving a step by step rundown of ALL of his actions to implement the change then that should be expected by all the candidates
Im the one on the right. I have one pic I switch between with my *** off (my wife hates when I use it to post by the way!) and I guess when I put up an AUTHENTIC!!! photo of myself all these *** guys started posting fake ones and then commenting on mine...the funny thing about it is all the comments were coming from "MEN" (xy chromosomes by genetic standards)
lol @ cat4ever... "my e- best friend"... My daughter (6) came home about a month ago trying to explain to me why her friend Delaney was her BF (best friend) and Gabby was her BFF (BEST FRIEND FOREVER) and then tried futher to explain to me the difference. I couldn't get it! Im am officially GROWN! ...lol
