CONSPIRACY?? New Reports Suggest That Hillary May Have Actually LOST The New Hampshire Primary!!!!

: MediaTakeOut.com is hearing some disturbing chatter going around that Hillary Clinton may have rigged the New Hampshire primary vote. According to growing reports on both Democratic and Republican blogs, Hillary's surprising victory may have been caused by voter fraud.

Of course the mainstream media isn't trying to touch this story with a 10 foot pole. But we're not the mainstream media. And besides, while we're not quite sure we believe it, this is the kind of story that needs to be put out there.

PRIMARY CONCERNS
By Robert C. Koehler
Tribune Media Services

As the breathless sports coverage of the presidential primaries bursts around me this morning, I’m doing my best to resist surrendering to the contrived drama about “comeback kids” and the flying shrapnel of numbers and hold onto my troubled skepticism about the electoral process, or at least most of it.

First of all, before we get too enthusiastic about feminist solidarity or wax knowingly about New Hampshire Democrats’ traditional soft-heartedness toward the Clinton family, let’s ponder yet again the possibility of tainted results, which is such an unfun prospect most of the media can’t bear to remember that all the problems we’ve had with electronic voting machines — and Diebold machines in particular, which dominate New Hampshire polling places — remain unsolved.

Did the Hillary campaign really defy the pollsters? She had been trailing Barack Obama by 13 percentage points, 42 to 29, in a recent Zogby poll, as election watchdog Brad Friedman pointed out. And the weekend’s “rapturous packed rallies for Mr. Obama,” as the New York Times put it, “suggested Mrs. Clinton was in dire shape.”

So when she emerged from the Tuesday primary with an 8,000-vote and 3-percentage-point victory over Obama, perhaps — considering the notorious unreliability, not to mention hackability, of Diebold machines — the media might have hoisted a few red flags in the coverage, rather than immediately chalk the results up to Clinton’s tears and voter unpredictability. (Oh, if only more reporters considered red flags patriotic.)

The fact is, whatever actually happened in New Hampshire voting booths on Tuesday, our elections are horrifically insecure. For instance, Bev Harris, of the highly respected voting watchdog organization Black Box Voting, recently wrote that the Diebold 1.94w optical scan machines used in some 55 percent of New Hampshire precincts (representing more than 80 percent of the state’s voters) are “the exact same make, model and version hacked in the Black Box Voting project in Leon County (Florida)” a few years ago. They haven’t been upgraded; the security problems haven’t been fixed.

National, or at least media, denial about this situation doesn’t say much for the strength of our democracy.

And there's more. The political blog Prescue showed the difference between hand counted and machine counted votes.

By Percentage:

Method Hillary Clinton Barack Obama
Diebold Machines 53.23% 46.77%
Hand Count 47.47% 52.53%


By Votes

Method Hillary Clinton Barack Obama
Diebold Machines 82860 72807
Hand Count 18898 20912


By Number of Municipalities Won

Method Hillary Clinton Barack Obama
Diebold Machines 54 33
Hand Count 43 77



About 81% of the votes will be "counted" by the Diebold machines.

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prettyaseyes2008
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Good morning black people. By the way, she played the "Crying Game" to win...


sexy_cece
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ya'll really hate her dont u


whatwhatwhat
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There's been only one other time when exit polls have been this wrong. The 2000 presidential election. Impossible for her to win without voter fraud. Plus in districts where the votes where hand counted Obama whooped her azz but in districts where machines counted the votes Hillary won by an average of 3% in each district. Just enough votes to swing the election. She won by 3% points. A lot of people are taking a second look at this election.


essenceof
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Something is going on. I dislike the fact that she cried. That is a reason not to vote for her. What will she do as president if someone attack us, cry and tell them to stop!


britgoes2cal
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ooookkkaayyy....MTO. Ya'll tryin to spread the half-baked notions to the political arena now, huh? I'm still votin for Obama on Feb. 5th California primary though....lets see what ya'll "report" then.


jenjen
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Good for her!!! ha ha


FerrariFresh
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yep essenceof, the crying did it for me too. thats something a president just cant do


laricha1216
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YOU KNOW THE RON PAUL PAID COMMENTERS AND THE HILLARY PAID COMMENTERS ARE GOING TO RAVAGE THIS SITE EVERY TIME THERE IS POLITICAL NEWS TO DETER VOTERS AWAY FROM BARACK OBAMA. DO NOT BE FOOLED BLACK PEOPLE. RON PAUL IS A WHITE SUPREMIST AND 'HITLERY' CLINTON HAS A LOT OF POLICITAL FAVORS TO PAY BACK TO HER FRIENDS AND SUPPORTERS WITH YOUR TAX DOLLARS ONCE SHE LIES AND STEALS THE WHITE HOUSE. IF YOU DO NOT VOTE FOR BARACK, THEN VOTE JOHN EDWARDS OR DO A WRITE IN BALLOT. DO NOT BE FOOLED BY HOW THE CLINTONS SUPPOSED TO LOVE BLACK PEOPLE.


smuvJ
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Fraud and criminal acts I do believe!!! Hillary supporting criminal acts to become prez?????? OBAMA FOR CHANGE!!!!!!


Datruthhurtz
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UH! OH! if there is a conspiracy it needs to get checked before the 2008 elections the last thing we need is a repeat of the 2000 elections second biggest heist in a our nations history! The first being the FDIC and the the international bankers who caused the depression because of rumors and were able to gain control of nearly all the banks and countless properties and assets etc...


eLSoFocused
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Aint this about a B!TCH?! The new world Florida and G-Dubya Bush! Say it aint so Hilly (yes Hilly), say it aint so...


Ms_Afghanistan2008
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And we call this democracy? Sounds almost like my country.


Japanesefood
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Before I come to a conclusion, I need to see more than one report. Don't know, the media can be manipulative. Hope she's not pulling a Bush to win the race.


not_1_2_hate
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ah, conspiracy theorists of the world unite!


NCM
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As I said before...you cant be the leader of the free world...the most owerful leader in the world (supposed to be) and you crying cause you losing. Thinskin= no good for america. We make her president other countries will walk all on us.



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email2michael
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I wouldn't be surprised. Hillary is nothing if not a ruthless, fake ass B!TCH who cried like a baby to earn sympathy votes. She'll do anything to win and Barack better stop playing softball with her and start playing hardball.


Crislex
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I SWEAR ON MY LIFE, that is Hillary is going forward as a democratic presidential candidate in the end, I WILL NOT VOTE!!!! I have only voted one time in my life and that was for the 200 elections with Bush and Kerry, and then as a 18 year old who followed the polls, issues and the race I was soo F-ing disappointed. it broke my heart that Kerry didnt make it. I cant stand Hillary and this would be the second time of my life voting I wouldnt vote for her ass.


blackdaddy1696
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IF YOUR NOT REGISTERED TO VOTE YOU CAN DO IT ONLINE HERE! GO TO THIS LINK AND REGISTER! OUR TIME IS NOW !! VOTE OBAMA!! http://www.rockthevote.com


carliss123
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I don't hate her...but I was suspicous when the chanel 2 news said that the polls were having problems with the machins and that the would have to manually tally and they would keep US posted on who had the most votes. Let them tell it something is always wrong with the damn machines. HEY EVERYBODY LISTEN UP.....I USE TO BE SO VERY VERY NIAVE ABOUT LIFE AND I REALLY DIDN'T THINK MUCH ABOUT THE GOVERMENT....UNTIL A VERY WISE WOMAN TOLD ME TO READ THIS BOOK CALLED "BEHOLD A PALE WHITE HORSE" by William Cooper. Now I will tell you this...the book was written I believe in 1982......but he stated in the book that it wqas the goverments plan with the world trade center....NOT ONLY DOES HE MENTION THINGS THAT HAPPENED BEFORE THEY ACTUALLY DID....BUT THIS MAN WAS ABLE TO CONFISCATED DOCUMENTS TO PROVE WHAT HE WAS SAYING....HE STARTS THE BOOK WITH A COMMENT ABOUT.."BY THE TIME THIS BOOK IS PUBLISHED I WILL SURELY BE DEAD"....What I will say to you is this.....I READ THIS BOOK AND I"m FEARFUL FOR MY CHILDREN LIVES...HAD I KNOWN ABOUT WHAT THE GOVERMENT WAS REALLY ABOUT....I WOULDN'T HAVE BOUGHT ANOTHER BABY INTO THIS WORLD. I will end wit this...The things that I read in that book caused me to not only stop reading it after about the 15 or 20th chapter...but I was seriously unnerved for about 3 months. Go out and get it and TRY TO GET IT FROM A BLACK BOOK STORE FIRST. The woman who told me about the book told me that white people will try to keep you from buying the book....and I will say this SHE WAS RIGHT...That's a whole other story but they tried to keep me from getting it and the book was put on hold for me!!!!!! Hope your right with God because the goverments ONLY concern is MONEY and THIER IMMEDIATE FAMILY.....all others are doomed if they have thier way....AND THAT INCLUDES THE DUMB ASS WHITE FOLKS THAT VOTED BUSH IN...CAUSE I SAW A DOCUMENTARY WHICH STATED THAT UNLESS YOU HAD MONEY LIKE MICHAEL JORDAN (who they claimed would be one influentual BLACK PERSON TO GET ALL OTHER BLACKS TO FOLLOW HIS LEAD)YOU WERE A COMMONER!!!! I will end it with this..A friend of mine kept calling me to tell me about this tape he had gotten his hands on and I was always busy so I told him to dub it for me...no matter how he tried he couldn't..he even went and borrowed another vcr and tried to dub it with 2 seperate vcrs and still couldn't..it had a block on it. I finally got around to going to see it and it was very disturbing..they had 3 white men on the tape..one of who asked all the questions and 2 who worked for the goverment...but they had blurred faces and the voice change thing going on. The tape was 6 hours long...so I can't go into everything that was said...but they did mention that America is being desinsetized...and how stupid we were. They said they allow movies to be made and cleared that tell you what the goverment is about but we are so stupid that we have no clue...we think it's just entertainment. They said only one NUCCA really get it and they said it was PRINCE...they blew up a photo of Prince's 1999 alblum and showed you an eye inside a pyramid..they stated what the eye meant and about the foriegn language around it...they showed the same eye on the dollar bill...something about we see the light and you don't..they also said that is what the torch means that was carried around during the olympics. DON'T TRUST THE GOVERMENT!!!! IT's ALL ABOUT MONEY amd us be under ONE RULER LIKE IN ENGLAND...THEY CALLED IT THE NEW WORLD ORDER...GO GET THAT BOOK!!!!!!


camoflougeman2
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first off if yall beleieve every thing you hear and beleive in the mainstream media the yall are losers and closed minded..fukk a journalist who made then the integrity winner when reporting. There is a margin of error when ealing with diebold machines and more whn hand counting..its the law of electronics and robotics..google it and educate urselves. As far as Hilary winning well her crying may have got her more women votes but she DID win regardless..The NWO works better in her favor cuz she is tied into the Illuminati..again google it Lmao! Obama will never win..hes giving these flashy speeches and hes like a preacher and most of yall are SUCKERS foreal. im black and all bt i also know the government structure and if yall dont look at Obamas record and just blinded by his skin color then I want Chris Tucker to run for president cuz hes black too...stupid


jeahjeahhh
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I SAW IT COMING!!! I WROTE THIS AFTER THE IOWA VICTORY!!! LAST NIGHT ONE OF THE COMMENTATORS SAID "THE BIG LOSERS OF THE NIGHT WERE AL SHARPTON AND JESSE JACKSON (WTF)HE CLAIMED THAT OBAMAS VICTORY WOULD INTERFERE WITH THEIR EXPLOITATION OF THE RACIAL DIVIDE! THIS WAS A VERY CALCULATED AND DIVISIVE POLITICAL PERSPECTIVE. ALONG WITH INCREASING ATTEMPTS TO DIVIDE AND CONQUER BLACK POLITICAL POTENTIAL, BE EVER ALERT FOR A PHENOMENA THAT WHITE AMERICA IS ALREADY PLANTING THE EVIL SEEDS OF..."THE OBAMA EXCUSE"!!! AN INTENSIFIED, INTERNATIONAL VARIATION OF THE COSBY CONDITION OR THE OPRAH OUT (WHEN AMERICA DISMISSES RAMPANT RACIAL INEQUITIES, BOTH HISTORICAL AND CONTEMPORARY BY POINTING TO EXCEPTIONS LIKE BILL COSBY AND OPRAH WINFREY TO SIMULTANEOUSLY EXCUSE THEMSELVES FROM THE SATANIC LEGACY OF SLAVERY AND THE CURRENT; ECONOMIC, POLITICAL, SPIRITUAL, EDUCATIONAL ETC. BENEFITS OF WHITE SUPREMACY/INSTITUTIONALIZED RACISM WHILE BLAMING BLACK PEOPLE FOR EVERY NEGATIVE ASPECT OF THEIR PRESENT CONDITION. WITH MEANINGLESS (PURELY SYMBOLIC) APOLOGIES FOR SLAVERY IN THE MEDIA ALONG SIDE STORIES OF RAMPANT POLICE BRUTALITY AND INCREASING HATE CRIMES, PREPARE FOR THE OBAMA EXCUSE, SIMILAR TO HOW IMUS WAS ABLE TO BLAME RAP MUSIC! THE LINE OF REASON WILL SOUND SOMETHING LIKE THIS, RACISM IS OVER WE GOT A BLACK PRESIDENT FOR GODS SAKE, WHITE SUPREMACY PLEASE, OUR PRESIDENT IS BLACK, EVERYONE OF YOU CAN MAKE IT....HELL LOOK AT BARACK!!! THATS THE PROBLEM WITH SYSTEMATIC OPPRESSION, THE OPPRESSOR WILL ALWAYS WIN THE WAR UNTIL THE SYSTEM OF OPPRESSION ITSELF IS TURNED ON IT'S HEAD!!! IF HE WINS DON'T GET TOO HAPPY...THE STRUGGLE CONTINUES, HE DID KICK THEY BEHINDS IN IOWA THOUGH!


whatwhatwhat
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@Crislex I agree. If Hillary wins I'm sitting out. I'm not putting a republican posing as a democrat in the office.


laricha1216
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JOHN KERRY TO ENDORSE BARACK OBAMA PER AP AND MSNBC. JOHN KERRY KNOWS FIRST HAND HOW THE BUSHS' AND CLINTONS' OPERATE.


Mythica
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The Clinton Dynasty are the sme as the Bush Dynasty!


hercules98
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I was rooting for Hilary and getting on here the other day posting how she was more qualified than Obama but after that crying for the please help the blond woman act the other day Im through with her. That tells me alot about her character and she makes hard on every woman black or white who comes after her because of how weaked she looked crying....is that who we want running our country? When Osama comes out of hiding and bombs the sh!t out of us is gonna cry or get to the troops to bomb his a$$. MTO let me know what you think...(minus the hating and trying to convince strangers your opinion is all that matters!!!) www.bellaboutiques.biz "HATERS WITHOUT A POT TO P!SS IN WILL TRY TO P!SS IN YOURS....KEEP HATING CHUMPS!"


urstruly0219
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personally i feel as though they are both good candidates, who if one weren't to win the primary but got on each other ballot during the election would be a fierce combination. As for as the voting system, its been crooked since the beginning of time and it really hit home when bush got in 2004. so i feel as though all the bull with voting for obama or clinton is just that bull because they are both well rounded and have extraordinary ideals that will help us all get out of this recession bush jr. put us in.


Crislex
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I am telling yall, she is a white woman and will eventually get her way, I am not saying that people who believe in her, dont believe in her, but I have always had this gut feeling even when Bill was in office that, Hillary was a joke. She is a white woman that will always try to sway the public. And think about it this way. Most white retired, or professional white women can or is registered to vote. Now what about the black WOMEN who are low income and are not registered to vote, what does she have to offer these women??? Not a damn thang. @whatwhatwhat: I feel you, I am soo dead serious about not voting. Sometimes I wish that the whole country as a WHOLE would boy cott the elections to make a stance about how vital it is that we need someone in office that can lead and bond with the people and not be connected to dirty terrorist or have coporate interest over civil human rights and privacies.


theresa
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If you guys can remember about two years ago Hil&Bill had gone to stay the weekend at the Bush compound in (Home) Kennebunkport Maine. I was in School on the East coast when I heard this I really felt so betrade. I think this has happen two times.You guys know how they talk about the Bush's like they are the DEVIL. I can work with the Devil BUT I will not break bread in sleep in his home. P.S I'm talking about Daddy Bush.


mkef9779
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Good Job MTO!!!! You all are always on point. I know ain't nobody take Hillry all that serious. She can sit down and blink for all I care. Obama is what the world needs!



not_1_2_hate
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I agree that hiliary is not my favorite, but i damn sure will vote and pick the lesser of two evils in if it comes to that.


interesting
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So why did Obama concede so early and not contest it if it was true? He could have asked for a recount or more importantly waited until 100% of the votes where in to wait to make concession. I just don't buy it. Something isn't right about this story. But, if it gets people riled to speak conspiracy then I guess it has done its purpose. Thanks MTO.


interesting
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Has anybody read or seen The Manchurian Candidate? Who is Obama for real? Where did this guy come from? What does he believe and why is everybody so hype on believing this fairy tale? A white comedian stated that Red, White and Blue stands for Redneck, White Trash and Blue Collar. Do you honestly believe that if Obama became president he would not get assasinated like Lincoln, JFK? People need to wake up for real.


interesting
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that is the reason why Collin Powell (the true legitimate black candidate) did not run


cat4everrr
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Why does MTO continue to quote CONSERVATIVE MEDIA like Foxnews and the Tribune? The Tribune's editorial page is conservative and fox news has nothing but wingnut anchors. C'mon!?!?!?


cat4everrr
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MTO is becoming a right wing hack machine. Is MTO being paid off


Crislex
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@interesting: And do you think that if Benazir Bhutto was soo scared to runt hat the people of her country would have the same courage and unity they have if she was afraid of being assassinated? Obama probrably has thought about the fact that eh could be killed but I believe that his will power for the better of this country is soo strong that it is a factor that does not exist that much in his mind. do you also think that is MLK was soo more afraid of being killed for preaching about unity among races that we would be where we are today? If you are more for the people and so involved about doing what is right for the country, despite the dangerous opposiion, you wouldnt give a damn if you were killed or not.


cat4everrr
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it's so easy to buy into these conspiracy theories.


Txbadbtch
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My people unite get registered to vote and make sure show up at the polls in NOV. ;-)


ndhines
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She will be fine either way.


Crislex
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JOHN KERRY IS ENDORSING OBAMA!!!!! I might be late but I am Psyched!!!!


sosincere
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Im not saying Im riding with Hillary, bUT IT IS crazy HOW MANY WOMEN are up in arms over this chick getting emotional. That is the same brainwashed bullshyt that black folks do when pitted against each other. CRABS IN A BARREL. The media says you have to be a tough and stone faced and shyt or else you are not STRONG, so mofo's forget ALL about REALITY and ride with the bullshyt. In case ya'll dont know, women are emotional creatures. With that it means we show the frustration, we show the sincerity AT TIMES. But what is the difference in if you hurt actually showing the shyt or if you hurt repressing it. YOU STILL HURT LAMES! Just cause a man don't show it BET YOUR BOTTOM DOLLAR that they ACT off the emotion that they feel also! You think just because a man won't show frustration in the form of crying that means he wont go act the syt out in the form of whoping some ass!!!!!! eVERY PSHYCOLOGIST YOU TALK TO WOULD TELL YOU IT'S BETTER TO LET THE SHY OUT. So in actuality SHE would probably be more well rounded and clear thinking AS A WOMAN! And I don't know who the hell ya'll was raised by but ME MY MOMMA MY AUNTS AND EVERYOTHER WOMAN I KNOW may get "emotional" may even cry but best believe if WE HOLD SHYT DOWN. NOT A MAN ON THIS PLANET COULD FUC WIT US WHEN WE PUT OUR MINDS TO IT. Women hold families together, WHILE busting her ass at work just like a MAN. mOST WOMEN i KNOW WEAR 3/4 HATS. And we may be emotional BUT WTF do that have to do with STRENGTH!!!!!!! Yall just set us back like 50 years with them comments for real! Emotion is not a sign of WEAKNESS and how DARE ya'll equate the two. Maybe it is for ya'll but don't put that shyt on all women. There is a time to be emotional and a time to kick ass. She may not be the right person for the job..in actuality I think the shyt was calculated to get support. But don't sell us short on no emotion. Bush drummed up some fake ass tears after 911....whats the difference.


Carameleyez
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Whatever they are going to put her in office the same way they cheated to put Bush into office We all know she lost, those tears didnt make that much of an impact. Watch what i tell you she will win whether we vote for her or whoever.... myspace.com/carameleyez07


jimberland
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This is why we must remain united people, if not then we will never have a black president in our lifetime. Hill has her and Bill's core supporters backing them, along with a few Uncle Toms, and people that won't support dude just because he's black. If he's going to win, we will all have to back him. I heard a black woman at my job say "I aint' votin for Obama just because he's black like me, I am voting for the best candidate". I ask her, when have you, your mother, or grandmother ever had this type of choice. There was no answer. Uncle Tom Slave mentality. "We cants run this here plantation without Massa or Miss Ann".


interesting
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@Crislex Getting assasinated is no laughing matter. He is a Illinois guy who does not know about the South at all. His wife nor kids and family member deserve that and for what, this USA. I like chess and playing russian roulette but there is no need for me to loose my life to get change when another way is possible. You remember late Sec'y of Commerce Ron Brown. He thought the same way and was killed and he brought about the most change financially for all Americans. This is real. Why do you think the Constitution was written to call us 3/5 of a human being and all these nooses appear to be popping up out of nowhere. I just pray he is safe. But something will happen if he makes it, I guarrantee that as shown by history. Bhutto should have realized that too. Heck she was warned with an attempt and then she did not heed the safety measures. Just b/c one avenue is closed does not mean another way is not possible. Remember that before you jump on a bandwagon of a person that appears to operate like The Manchurian Candidate.



LastofthaReal
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I like both clinton and obama but this has been going on for years. This is nothin new. Besides convicted felons can't vote anyway so I could care less. Sorry. myspace/handlemineent


hercules98
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@SOSINCERE I swear you belong in a debate class with your endless posts lol. You take whichever side you can make a long post about and go with it...like clockwork with you everyday. Good points but when will I see type 3 sentences or less?


cat4everrr
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The Conspiracy Theory has been debunked. One more example of MTO reaching- Enough with the "Diebold Hacked the NH Primary" New Hampshire has no touchscreen voting. None. Every ballot cast in New Hampshire except those few cast by the handicapped is written on a piece of paper. It's redundant to say this after the previous comment about touchscreen voting, but let's make it clear: in New Hampshire there is a paper trail. The Diebold Accuvote-TS has been shown to be a piece of crap. The Diebold Accuvote-OS, the machine used in New Hampshire, has much of the same hardware and runs much of the same tabulation software, so these machines could conceivably be hacked. However, the incentive for hacking them is not very great, because unlike with the paperless voting, again, there's the paper trail. So if there were ever a recount—and there was after the 2004 election, when a survey of New Hampshire voting districts chosen by the Nader campaign showed there was virtually no difference between the scanned tabulation and the hand recount—the malfeasance would be easily discovered. Many folks immediately suspect that any election results they found surprising—and whether they know enough about local and statewide voting patterns to be surprised is always a good question—are most easily explained by malfeasance by the Diebold corporation or exploitation of its machines. There are many problems for these folks who look for the most exotic (and maybe reassuring) explanation for an election result they don't like, but in this case, let's start out with a fairly basic one: voters in every town in New Hampshire cast their vote on a paper ballot, and in more than half of the towns in New Hampshire, the paper ballots are counted by hand. Fewer than half the towns in New Hampshire tabulate votes with optical scanners. More than half the votes cast are counted by optical scanners, as most of the bigger cities and towns—including Manchester, Nashua, Portsmouth, Concord, Claremont, Hanover, Keene and Plymouth—use the scanners. But more municipalities count by hand. And as someone relatively well-versed in the voting patterns of New Hampshire, let me tell you there appear to be no discrepancies in the Clinton/Obama/Edwards votes between the towns that tabulate votes by scanning and those that count by hand. Obama won many of the larger towns—Keene, Hanover, Concord, Portsmouth, Lebanon, Plymouth, Durham. Clinton won others—Manchester, Nashua, Berlin, Gorham, Claremont. There are reasons this makes sense, as I explained in an analysis of the town-by-town results here. And where there was a strong regional pattern to the results—as in the Monadnock region and the Connecticut River Valley, where Obama did well, or in the bedroom communities of Boston, where Clinton did well—the pattern extended geographically, regardless of whether an individual town used electronic or hand tabulation. But ultimately, there's tremendous arrogance and/or ignorance at play when people assume that Hillary Clinton's victory in Tuesday's New Hampshire primary is or might be explained by election fraud. Has it not occurred to those people who know little or nothing about voting patterns in New Hampshire that the hundreds of staffers on the Obama and Edwards campaigns, who've immersed themselves in past voting data and models of expected vote turnouts for Tuesday, wouldn't these staffers have noticed discrepancies that might warrant a recount? If Tuesday's results really were the likely result of malfeasance, the Obama and Edwards campaigns would be raising holy hell. They would be seeking a recount, and investigation of the voting, and they would be doing it because they saw the irregularities in the vote results. But there aren't any serious irregularities in the results of Tuesday's Democratic primary. Clinton won with the same kind of voters that Kerry won with in 2004, in she did it by running strongly in the same exact areas of the state. Diebold machines don't count the votes cast in many of the towns of New Hampshire, and all votes are cast on a paper ballot. The 2004 recount showed no problems with the tabulation. New Hampshire has an excellent reputation for running clean elections. Election administration is done on a town-by-town basis, so rigging the election would require not just a few well-placed individuals, but a vast conspiracy involving hundreds of people, probably more. And if there were strange voting patterns, that showed up in discrepancies between towns that tabulated by hand vs those that tabulated the paper ballots with scanners, the rival campaigns would certainly have noticed it and would be protesting the results. Hillary Clinton won on Tuesday. She led just about every poll every taken for 360 of the 365 days leading up to the election. And even when she won, it was only by three percentage points. This election wasn't rigged. So please, ignore the "Diebold stole the election" garbage


needloot
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I knew something was way wrong that night. If obama won than she was going to have a really hard time getting her self back up. She playing the dirty game now I see. Bitch needs to stay in her place. She gets no respect from me.


sosincere
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crislex..... You a fan of Kerry's? I just wanted to make the connection of the big deal with him supporting Obama. (no disrespect...a serious question.)


TheBrokenSilence
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I told you MTO THE ILLUMINATI ALREADY HAVE THEIR NEXT PRESIDENT AND HE ISN'T HALF-BLACK! YOU WILL NEVER IN YOUR LIFETIME SEE BARACK OBAMA IN THE WHITE HOUSE!


urstruly0219
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Oh and to the person who stated that hilary cried for sympathy votes im here to say that that statement is plain crazy. when men cry we say that they have a heart but a woman cries it's just emotional, that is bs if i ever heard it. can you imagine how it feels to be the first woman minority ever to run for presidency. its not like its an easy go for her so that statement in my opinion was plain stupid. I also feel as though a lot of people are fighting for barack because he;s black and a male and we feel like it's right and moreso a step forward, but to me that means nothing because the best candidate will step and if barack or clinton gets in, i really do feel like it will be beneficial to us all. *Imagine if they end up being on each other team, that would be phenomenoal for everyone*


smtchcose
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I will votin for Obama,i'll really hate her --------------- I am a very sexy woman from US. A friend on the net tells me:"You are too hot!" I want to met a good man online. All are welcome to view my terriblly sexy pics at Interracialloving.com under username "xhot". See you.


mikejay1
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This is exactly why we need to get out there and vote...the politics and the government has to be one of the worst. I love Obama and Edwards, Hillary I don't quite know about...but we need to vote and if you haven't registered you really should. This election is going to determine the rest of our lives and the generation to come. We gotta do something quick. I refuse to have another 8 years of turmoil and distress, and most of all, LIES!


interesting
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@jimberland Sticking together as black people does not mean you are bamboozled and fooled to believe a black person in an office has your interest or can make a substantial difference in office. Case in point: Clarence "Uncle Tom" Thomas, Condi (beans and) Rice, Collin Powell (when he was forced to lie about the Weapons of Mass Destruction) Like in any slavery system, you have house slaves and field slaves. Yes it appears that Obama is our version of Nate Turner. But, Nate Turner was killed (you remember)! It took many efforts from whites and blacks alike to forge the end of slavery. All we need to do is keep an open mind. Freedom of politics does not mean GROUPTHINK or BANDWAGON approach. If you like a candidate, you have a right to support it. I am not less black or down with the cause b/c I support Clinton. I just think she has a better shot to improve our financial status in this country than he does. They need to pair and President and VP. That is what I am praying for.


sosincere
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hurcules.....I don't know if I can?????? LOL. Nahh but If you checkout some useless Amy Whinehouse got blonde hair thread and Im a one line quiter! (she still look a mess...nuf said). But I was a Poly Sci major and African Studies. So on them topics I break out the dissertations...sorry. But as long as i make sense im cool! (dang was this reply long too?)


interesting
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@cat4evrr Thank you for stating facts for NH. Something just did not jive. We now MTO call. Smutt and lies sells to get more attention and people to get involved. As Chris Rock states in never scared, "listen to the issues (or facts) and then form your opinion" not just conjecture.


cat4everrr
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MTO makes it's users look very stupid everytime they put out garbage that isn't true. Despite MTO being notorious for innacurate information there are people on this thread saying, "I knew it, I knew it." But allow me to repeat- NEW HAMPSHIRE HAS NO TOUCHSCREEN VOTING just another expample of how MTO lies


cat4everrr
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@ interesting no problem TO EVERYONE ELSE: FOR FUTURE REFERENCE, IF YOU EVER SEE MTO USING A CONSERVATIVE MEDIA OUTLET AS A POINT OF REFERENCE YOU CAN ASSUME BY DEFAULT THAT IT IS A LIE.


Crislex
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@ Sincere: Yes I am not a big fan of Kerry's but I respect him for what he has tried to do for this country. He is also a very respected demecratic rep and has a lot of man power to help Obama. @ interesting: If people didnt sacrifice something for change, this world would be in worst shape than it is now. A lot of people, known or unknown, sacarifce a lot everyday to make things better for a good change in the world. You may say that your life is more precious that trying to make a positive change in a country, than how would you think MLK would have reacted to your opinion if you said that to him? Even if you make a small change in your personal life to make things better you are sacrificing something. Please think about that. I respect any person who goes against all odds to make a GREAT change for this country or for everyday people.



sosincere
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interesting.....Im hoping for a Obama/clinton ticket too. I think they compliment each other. (TAKE THAT..... hurcules98)


cat4everrr
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urstruly0219 Flag post Oh and to the person who stated that hilary cried for sympathy votes im here to say that that statement is plain crazy. when men cry we say that they have a heart but a woman ----- Exactly, how many times have we've seen the current president weeping. I didn't hear one single peep from any of those people during any of those times. In fact, the president was praised for showing his emotions. It was viewed as a strength. No one ever said how can a president who weeps be the commander in chief. Now that it is a woman it is a weakness.


Crislex
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@ interesting: Do you really believe that Clinton has a better shot at improving the financial situation that America now faces??? I find that very hard to believe that she can. From what her health plan is supposed to be she will be mandating that Americans get health insurance, wheter they can afford it or not. Now I cannot afford health insurance because of things that I need to pay off my name, rent, and school debt, so I would be pissed if someone MANDATED that I need to get health insurance. She has not experienced what most low to middle imcome families have indured. Her husband probrably has but I doubt she has. SHe seems to me for the longest to be a stcuk up, arrogant white woman that wont have the interest at heart for minority women and men. Please believe that if she was soo for the people, she would be the same white woman to grab her purse close when a black man walks by her on the street. The mentality doesnt change.


email2michael
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@carliss123 That was a powerful post, you have me wanting to cop that book! Wish I could see that video you're talking about too! @interesting If folks like you ruled the world nothing would ever get done because you are paralyzed by and live in a world of fear. You need to set your mind free and read about the "Audacity of Hope." @crislex: Kerry endorsing Obama might be a bad thing and might be Hillary working behind the scenes to screw Obama. ALOT of people in the general election will try and say Obama is just like Kerry and they'll try to "swift boat" him and conflate all the negative connotations that were floated around about Kerry to Obama. @cat4everrr Actually New Hampshire does use Diebold touch screen machines. Check with black box voting http://www.bbvforums.org/cgi-bin/forums/board-auth.cgi?file=/73/71219.html


sosincere
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oh...I was wondering. Yeah on the networking strength it's a good move for Obama I guess. Just trying to make the connection. Oh and MLK or Malcolm X...one of them said "If a man doesn't find something in life he is willing to die for then he's not worth living"...or something like that? (maybe I should take them quotations off..lol) Or maybe "Id rather die on my feet than live on my knees". Like you said some people make the ultimate sacrafice!


sosincere
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cat4ever.... EXACTLY!!!!!!! That oh she cried she weak ish is CRAZY. But the bad thing is I hear more women saying it than MEN!


Crislex
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@ email: I agree with what your saying but being that Kerry was strongly popular in the 2000 race, despite what might be surrounding him and the fact that we all believe the elections were RIGGED, people still have respect for Kerry. I believe that Obama will get extremely more support with Kerry backing him up. @ interesting: I really think that you should read that book " Who moved my Cheese?". That book is all about not doing something to move forward to a positive change because of what you FEAR. And that if you continue to stand in fear and you comfort zone, your life will continue to be disappointing and you wont excel in life.. ( its just one of the points in the book)


cat4everrr
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@cat4everrr Actually New Hampshire does use Diebold touch screen machines. Check with black box voting http://www.bbvforums.org/cgi-bin/forums/board-auth.cgi?file=/73/71219.html --- that's not true. about half are counted by hand and the others are counted by a scanner. does the website that you cite lean to the right?


cat4everrr
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sosincere Flag post cat4ever.... EXACTLY!!!!!!! That oh she cried she weak ish is CRAZY. But the bad thing is I hear more women saying it than MEN! ---- STOCKKHOLM SYNDORME AT IT'S WORST!!! Stockholm syndrome- a psychological response sometimes seen in an abducted hostage, in which the hostage shows signs of loyalty to the hostage-taker, regardless of the danger (or at least risk) in which the hostage has been placed. Stockholm syndrome is also sometimes discussed in reference to other situations with similar tensions, such as battered person syndrome, rape cases, child abuse cases and bride kidnapping. The syndrome is named after the Norrmalmstorg robbery of Kreditbanken at Norrmalmstorg, Stockholm, Sweden, in which the bank robbers held bank employees hostage from August 23 to August 28 in 1973. In this case, the victims became emotionally attached to their victimizers, and even defended their captors after they were freed from their six-day ordeal. The term Stockholm Syndrome was coined by the criminologist and psychiatrist Nils Bejerot, who assisted the police during the robbery, and referred to the syndrome in a news broadcast.


sosincere
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CAT4EVER...... now you know my next ? was going to be "what is Stockholm Syndrom"....lol. But YEP...seems to fit to me!


email2michael
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@cat, No, it's not right leaning at all. Blackboxvoting.org works to expose the many rampant flaws in electronic voting systems in this country and the (right wing) political leanings of the main companies that produce them, Diebold, ES&S and ChoicePoint.


Crislex
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LEts put it this way, WHY CANT WE JUST VOTE THE OLD FASHION WAY???? I knwo that seems like a dumb question, but it would make cheating soo less frequent. Witht his world today and the fact that anything can be hacked, even a cell phone, it would be smart to not use any electronic devices. Thats just me.


cat4everrr
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email2michael Flag post @cat, No, it's not right leaning at all. Blackboxvoting.org works to expose the many rampant flaws in electronic voting systems in this country and the (right wing) political leanings of the main companies that produce them, Diebold, ES&S and ChoicePoint. --------------- youtube.com/profile?user=email2michael2 ---- i know you are a serious user who doesn't participate in childish debate so i'll check it out...be right back.


cat4everrr
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LOL @ sosincere


King_Geedorah
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Something definitely doesn't smell right here. But I didn't like Obama's chances from jump. I was shocked he took Iowa. You've really gotta look at NH population. A somewhat low minority pop, high pop of old guard rich, white elites and well-to-do old school women's lib'ers. Its New England. The potential voter fraud was just icing on the cake imo.



sosincere
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Hurcules98....... check out that video of Bhutto thats going across the net. Her and the interviewer CASUALLY talk over the fact that Osama Bin Laden is already dead...like it's common knowledge.It probably is to everyone else except Americans. Say it with me BAMBOOZLED! The American media is deadly. They kill the heck outta braincells!


whatwhatwhat
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@cat4everrr NH: "First in the nation" (with corporate controlled secret vote counting) 81% of New Hampshire ballots are counted in secret by a private corporation named Diebold Election Systems (now known as "Premier"). The elections run on these machines are programmed by one company, LHS Associates, based in Methuen, MA. We know nothing about the people programming these machines, and we know even less about LHS Associates. We know even less about the secret vote counting software used to tabulate 81% of our ballots. People like to say "but we use paper ballots! They can always be counted by hand!" But they're not. They're counted by Diebold. Only a candidate can request a hand recount, and most never do so. And a rigged election can easily become a rigged recount, as we learned in Ohio 2004, where two election officials were convicted of rigging their recount. Source: Democracy For New Hampshire www democracyfornewhampshire dot com/node/view/5307 Obama cannot request a recount simply because it will paint him as a sore loser and he will loose credibility with white voters.


sosincere
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crislex....Thats just me too. But the current political crooks will never go back to the old way in the name of technology. Like my Grandma used to say "Nahh, that would be too much like RIGHT."


theresa
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@Cat4everrr Tell us do you get paid well for sitting here all day, working for the Hil&Bill Campaign?


chocolatevixen
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Hillary Clinton is the Marie Osmond of politics. When things get bad she calls on her female charms (didn't know she had any) to help her out. Maybe this is why we are not ready for a female president. Thank God she no longer has PMS b/c that would be enough to start another war.


cat4everrr
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email2michael Flag post @cat4everrr Actually New Hampshire does use Diebold touch screen machines. Check with black box voting http://www.bbvforums.org/cgi-bin/forums/board-auth.cgi?file=/73/71219.html ----- i see where we are having the breakdown in communication. when you go to the site they are referencing the scanners, not touch screen. New Hampshire doesn't have use touch screen. Therefore there is a paper trail just in case people start making wild accusations like the election was hacked. there is no computer to hack.


cat4everrr
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btw, all of the votes have to be certified by the state, i'm not sure of the date but feel free to google it if you are interested


cat4everrr
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theresa Flag post @Cat4everrr Tell us do you get paid well for sitting here all day, working for the Hil&Bill Campaign? ---- Theresa if you want to have a serious conversation let me know. If you are looking to engage in childish behavior you are better off conversing with some one else. otherwise, i'll skip over your comments and keep the conversation to the adults in the room.


monisha
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AFRICAN AMERICANS, YOU ALL ARE SO EDUCATED BUT YET SO IGNORANT. STOP RATTLING OVER RUBBISH, LET ME REMIND U OBAMA IS AFRICAN AND NOT AFRICAN AMERICAN. BOTTOM LINE HILLARY WON N.H AND TRUT ME THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING OF OBAMA'S DOWNFALL. OBAMA WOULD LOOSE WORE THAN EDWARDS. MEDIA IS JUST HELPING OBAMA. IF U GO TO HIS CONFERENCE AND HERE HIS SPEECH, ITS SO INSPIRATIONAL YES, BUT WHEN U GO HOME SIT BACK AND TRY TO UNDERSTAND OBAMA U WOULD BE LIKE WHAT DA HELL DID HE SAY OTHER THAN JUST USE THE WORD "HOPE" AND "CHANGE". OBAMA IS A FRAUD, HE HAS THE CHARACTERISTICS OF WHAT YOU CALL THE ANTI CHRIST.OBAMA IS ALL TALK AND NO WALK.IT WOULD SHOCK U ALL TO KNOW THAT OBAMA WONT BE YOUR NEXT PRESIDENT. "MEDIA SHOULDN'T TELL US WHO OUR MESSIAH SHOULD BE" A LADY PHRASED THAT STATING SO MANY PEOPLE SHARE HER SAME THOUGHT, THAT MEDIA IS MAKING OBAMA BIGGER THAN WHAT HE IS. YOU ALL ARE YET TO SEE MORE DOWNFALL OF OBAMA. BELIEVE ME.


sosincere
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chocolate vixen... no disrespect but I am going to redirect you to my post about halfway up and then to cat4evers post about STOLCKHOLM SYNDROM. pms...are you serious? Tell me that was a joke....lol.


cat4everrr
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@ email2michael you have disagreed with me on a number of points and i respect that. i would like to thank you for doing so without all the cussing, fussing, and name calling.


theresa
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That is my conversation with you. people are on here with great concerns and you are on here working!!! PEOPLE LOOK @ ALL OF CAT4ever comments! Nothing wrong with getting paid! We all have to work Lady man or what ever!!!


essenceof
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Say what you want but crying is sometimes a sign of weakness! Note that I said sometimes! If you have to cry do it in private!


Crislex
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DAmn , I cant believe how many black peole dont even want a AFRICAN as president and this man has coem from our ancestors. This is truly a disturbing thing. Even if you dont like him, at least show some respect that in this country in this time, that a black/african man CAN run for presidency. IT seems that none of you care. I am soo happy and proud that a black man can run for president over a woman. Color is the issue in this country and it is about to breakdown because of Obama. I understand and respect some of you decisions of going for hillary, but please dont deny the fact that we have a respectable black man running as pres. @ King: Why are you suprised that Obama won Iowa. NH has a majority of white people as Iowa did. When hilary decided to have a tea party and cry with menopausal retired WHITE woman, Thats what supposedly got her the "vote". I belileve if she didnt cry she wouldnt have got that state. My opinion :)


sosincere
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monisha....Obama rides with the hope message because he has the least experience of all the candidates. So it is a political strategy not devilish tactics. Thats why you are left with a ..."what did he say" because he's basically saying Look, I don't have alot to say with teeth right now but I do know I am ready for a change. AND IM GOING TO BRING IT. His people know that what he lacks in experience he makes up for in charisma. So they are riding with it! And it's been working. He's saying America needs FRESH blood. Not another CLINTON dynasty. You are entitled to your own opinion but I just think there is a distinct difference between campaign strategy and the ANTI CHRIST...LAWD. (p.s im cool on the anti christ being a brother...lol to noticeable to fool folks.)



chocolatevixen
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Sosincere, I need you to direct me to that Bhutto video. I can't find it. I was joking abt the pms but don't sleep on Hillary people. She's married to Bill (who I adore) but they are calculating, cunning, manipulative and down right fraudulent. They didn't get this far by playing nice. I still can't make my mind up about Obama.. his mysterious background scares me.


Crislex
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LOL.... I am jsut tired of White pople in the WHITE house lol......can we get a mexican or something...(ready for the backlasha about the mexican)....


sosincere
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crying is NOT a sign of weakness. It's a sign that you are emotional in some way. PERIOD. The only reason to do it in private is because of the PERCEPTIONS of others. If those whom you are dealing percieve crying to look weak then yes be smart...do it someplace else. But that still don't make it "Weak". It just means perceptions are varied. Hillary's crying in my opinion won her a state. Bush's crying won him some approval points after 911 when he needed to make that case to go to war.


cat4everrr
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theresa Flag post That is my conversation with you. people are on here with great concerns and you are on here working!!! PEOPLE LOOK @ ALL OF CAT4ever comments! Nothing wrong with getting paid! We all have to work Lady man or what ever!!! --- Theresa, Okay...let me take a step back and first thank you for making your point without all the name calling. Having said that, you may be surprised to know that I am still torn between Obama and Clinton. I come here to hear others views on Obama. Right now I'm leaning towards Clinton. I’m sure you view me as a nuisance. Others who support Obama might view me as an opportunity, a vote that could be swayed. I could never change my opinion based on some of the language and name calling that I see used by some of the users here. On the other hand there are others who are interested in having a real debate. I am an individual who takes civil duties like voting vote seriously. I actually show up on election day. Either way, you are free to have your own beliefs. I respect that. I work for myself by the way. I have complete freedom over calendar. If I choose to take time and discuss a matter that is of great importance to me I’m free to do that. I'm sure you are more comfortable believing that I'm some minimum wage earning campaign worker. I understand. Do you Theresa.


cat4everrr
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LOL @ Crislex


monisha
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@sosincere I CONGRATULATE YOU ON DELIVERING YOUR OWN POINT WITHOUT INSULT KUDOS. I PERSONALLY THINK OBAMA IS NOT THE CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENCY, FINE HE CAN BE THE VICE PRESIDENT BUT NOT PRESIDENT. BUT I CAN'T HELP BUT KNOW THAT OBAMA IS NOT THE PRESIDENT REGARDLESS OF THE HYPE HE HAS BEHIND HIM, HE IS NOT THE PRESIDENT NEITHER IS HILLARY. OBAMA IS GIFTED WITH INSPRATIONAL SPEECH THAT CAN MOVE MOUNTAINS, BUT IT TAKES A REALLY SMART PERSON NOT TO GET MANIPULATED BY OBAMA'S SPEECH. I ASSURE ANYONE THAT OBAMA WILL LOOSE THIS ELECTION, BUT WOULD HAVE HIGH PUBLIC FIGURE.


sosincere
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LOL @ CRISLEX......you know it's coming! CHOCOLATEVIXEN....Im with you I think she did it on purpose too or at the very least knew she could let that gaurd down a lil. I would't be surprised if it were rehearsed! I don't trust politicians. But Im just cool on those who want to make an indictment on ALL women based on emotion. As far as that Bhutto video Go to playahata.com. They have it on there. Its CRAZY!!!!!!


Akan5
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Enter Lonnydan's alter ego monisha. (I still think their white ppl...maybe even the same person) @monisha First off Obama was born in the U.S. making him an AMERICAN.His wife and daughters are BLACK AMERICANS. Why attempt some weak divide and conquer technique, when we all know these facts. The man's mother was American and so were the Grandparents that raised him. The man never lived on the Countinent of Africa. Second many Africans suffered through slavery and colonialism ( hundreds of millions were killed )just like their American counterparts.However due to ignorance and a lack of African history being taught in our schools; many are unaware of these facts.


email2michael
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@cat4everrr I'm almost certain they do have touch screen voting, I'll have to keep searching and get back to you but in any event I do enjoy serious debate and discussion. I also come to MTO to make silly comments about celebrities but on the flip side having intelligent discussion with people who are from different political and theoretical viewpoints (like yourself) than I am is also enjoyable. I'm mature enough to disagree without letting the discussion sink to a childish namecalling level, I wish everyone else was though! lol


Crislex
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ARRRGHHHHH Has any one but me had to copy and PASTE thier responses because MTO is cheap as shit and cant get a hold over thier servers.. when you type a response that shit disappears.. IM GETTING MAD :(


chocolatevixen
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LOL@ Crislex, thanks sosincere, I'm going to look at it right now. It's ironic that on the day that Bhutto was killed she was going to meet with some U.S. Senators to talk about voter fraud for the upcoming elections in Pakistan.. We can't control that in our own country. How were we gonna help them?


monisha
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NO MATTER WHO ENDORSES OBAMA HE WILL LOOSE. OBAMA THINKS HE IS A GOD NOW. MEDIA PUTS HILLARY DOWN. AND GUESS WHAT PEOPLE "GOD WOULD NEVER EVER PUT HIS PEOPLE DOWN". MEDIA CAN HYPE OBAMA ALL THEY WANT, BUT YOU SEE GOD HAS A PLAN FOR HIS REAL PEOPLE. OBAMA IS A FAKE, A FAKE. AND PEOPLE WOULD SOON START SEEING RIGHT THROUGH HIM, THAT HE IS A WANNA BE MARTIN LUTHER KING. HE HAD A PROBLEM WITH HIP HOP BEFORE, ON BET HE WAS ASKED HIS TAKES ON HIP HOP NOW AND THE LIAR HAD THE NERVES TO LIE THAT HE HAS STARTED LISTENING TO JAYZ. BLACKS KEEP BEING MANIPULATED, HE WILL FAVOUR MORE WHITES THAN US. LOOK AT OPRAH FOR EXAMPLE, WHAT RACE DOES SHE FAVOUR MORE LOL. "THINK BEFORE YOU VOTE"


Crislex
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@ Monisha: If you do not think that Obama or Hilary si a good candidate, who is your preference?


cat4everrr
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@email2michael agreed and ditto on the silly part. i like to get silly with the users in community news myself sometimes...lol let me know if you come across that information..thx!


interesting
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To all who have commented, I appreciate that. Struggle and sacrifice is one thing. Stupidity and ignorance is another. Hope is great but as it says that if you dont have faith and charity, you are lacking. The examples of assaination from Bhutto, JFK, and Lincoln are there to say the THREAT of it is real. Don't get me wrong, Obama might be able to be like David who had Jonathan to protect him from the wrath of Saul. But, we have not found Jonathan yet. The same secret service that is there to protect him is still in the hands of you know who BUSH. So, what I am giving you is a conscience so that you don't get swallowed up in believing this fairy tale. This election is actually turning into what happened in 2004. Remember when Dean won IA b/c he was against the war. Eventually Kerry came out as the Democratic delegate. Just relax and let the political process work before you rush to crown someone. This is real exciting w/o determining who should be in for the Democrats. Both Clinton and Obama are playing a chess game to get votes. It will get ugly b/c as many of the pundits have stated race will play a part. Remember what happened to harold ford, jr at the end with the Republican video of a white girl from the playboy mansion which had him effectively loose the senator position. Obama just better make sure who has no skeletons in his closet or make sure he can hide it very well. Because it will get ugly. You mark my word. This country is like Great Britain and they will be damned if they let a smooth talking mix blood who could be muslim come in and take the white house.



Crislex
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@ Monisha: Oprah doesnt favor whites, thats the audience that is attracted to her. And I kind of dont like oprah but I respect that because in what country do you know where a mojority of white people will listen to and respect a black woman? And when did Obama claim he was better than god. If anything I believe that GOD is on his side in this race and that anything is possible. Like i said before I am proud to see a person of color run for office. And he is no wanna be MLK if anything I kind of see MLK in him. He was probrably inspired by MLK and that is a great role model to immulate. I cant believe that a few black people would have no hope or at least respect for this man of color for running for president.


monisha
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@ Crislex ALL I CAN SAY MA'AM IS THAT MAY GOD GIVE US THE BEST. NOT COS OBAMA IS BLACK AND I AM BLACK SO THEREFORE HE IS GOOD NOR HILLARY IS A LADY AND I AM A LADY THEREFORE SHE IS GOOD. EVERYONE SLEEPS ON EDWARDS AND U NEVER EVER KNOW HOW GOOD HE WILL TURN THIS COUNTRY. AND FUNNY IT'S MUSN'T BE DEMOCRAT TO MAKE THE COUNTRY BETTER. I FEEL, WE AS A COUNTRY INDIVIDUALLY AND COLLECTIVELY IF WE DONT LEAVE AN IMMACULATE LIFE GOD WOULD NOT SEND US THE BEST. THEY SAY CHARITY BEGINS AT HOME. EVERY RACE IS RACIST TOWARDS EACH OTHER, THERE IS SO MUCH HATE IN THE COUNTRY, SO MUCH VIOLENCE. THIS COUNTRY WOULD TAKE A STRONG CHRISTIAN TO CHANGE IT NOT JUST AN INSPIRATIONAL SPEAKER


sosincere
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CHOCOLATEVIXEN.... You know that turmoil over in Kenya right now with the alleged voter fraud, well the GOOD OLD western powers were over there fanning those flames. Talking about "there seems to be clear evidence of voter fraud" WTF? Now they have yet (at least at the time of THAT report) sent A peacekeeping crew over there to help the innocent folks from being killed but got the nerve to instigate!


Crislex
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@ interesting: The skeletons in Obama's closet has come out a few times and unlike some candidates that would deny what they have doen in the past, he admitted to it. I respect him for saying he experienced drug use in school and regretted that. It makes him more of a person because who hasnt experienced with something in college or high school. Whent hey claimed that had files and papers against Hilarys he was scared as shit as to what might happen with her campaign. If there are any more skeletons in his closet I would not rather him hid it "very well", but take the same action he has taken when they reported him using drugs when he was younger, admitt and move on. This country is soo bent on what someone has done in thier past that they forget thier life is not picket white too. If Obama knew when he was in college that he was going to run for president, do you think he would have taken a hit of that bong? lmoa.. Our own president was said to do cocaine(???), I didnt see him speak about that. and we all can see that COCAINE IS ONE HELL OF A DRUG!!!!


Akan5
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This Presidential election is a sham based on false preceptions. Obama screams CHANGE but change to what??? He's been elected to office since 1997(11 yrs);three years longer than Hillary. Hillary Clinton is the biggest joke w/ her 35 years of experience bullsh!t. She was first elected to public office in 2000. THAT'S JUST 8 year!! If being married to a President/Govenor counts as experience for the job, then hell lets elect Laura or Barbara Bush. Keeping in mind NY state is notorious for electing Senators who've lived outside the State with name recogniztion (Bobby Kennedy in the 60's from MA)and money. She banked on her husbands name and followed the Kennedy blue print to become a U.S. Senator from N.Y.;an easy State to spring board into the White House. She's been ploting this move for decades,putting up with all of Bill's sh!t just to gain power. She doesn't give a damn about the American ppl.


sosincere
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monisha...well Ive been known to dislike white folks so I guess Im out...lol. But on the real by your own standards Obama seems to be a good fit. If we go base this purely on social change OBAMA is the man! He got that whole we are the world mentality. His mom is white but to me he don't come acrosss as that uncle tom character. He generally seems very well rounded on race. The problem as I see it is there are WAY more pressing issues than social ones. And for some reason it seems as if none NONE of the democratic candidates are adressing them effectively. But Im riding with Obama. Since I know Dr. Paul is not going anywhere....:(


Crislex
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@ Monisha: I fell you, but I think that the last thing we need is some person who is a bible thumper trying to push thier religion on the USA. Now I understand that a mojority of the US is christian based, but as this coutnry accepts more and more races, cultures and other religions, I believe that religion should be kept private int he presidential candidates life than be made public to perspective voters. *Mike Huckabee. I believe in GOD but I dont go to church like that and I go through my life with him in my personal way. i cannot stand when people who are asoo christian tell me what i need to do with my life and body and mind. Now jus thtink that if we had a very religious christian president: What will happen to the choice of women's rights and her body? What will happen to all the mosque and temples of others in this country? Spare me the religion and take about the issue if you want to be president.


sosincere
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lol@ crislex....again!


monisha
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I TELL U WHAT. OBAMA WINNING IN IOWA WAS NO MISTAKE. HILLARY WINNING IN NEW HAMPSHIRE EITHER WAS NO MISTAKE. THIS TELLS PEOPLE MEDIA DOESNT HAVE THE FINAL SAY BUT GOD. SOMETIMES THERE METEROLOGIST, SAYS IT WOULD RAIN AND IT WOULDN'T. MEDIA HAS CROWNED OBAMA THE PRESIDENT, GOD HASN'T. MEDIA THOUGHT COS HILLARY IS A CLINTON, SHE WOULD GO FAR, GOD DIDNT THINK THAT. I TELL YOU THE MEDIA AND THE PEOPLE WOULD BE LEFT WITH EGGS ON THEIR FACES. NOW WHEN U PUT SOMEONE DOWN TO LIFE ANOTHER THE PERSON U ARE TRYING TO LIFT WOULD FALL LOWER THAN THE PERSON U PUT DOWN. AND WHAT HAPPENED IN N.H IS WHAT MY PROVERB MEANS. THE MEDIA PUT HILLARY DOWN, WENT AS FAR AS DISSING HER INDIRECTLY, AND GOD SAID NO I WOULD SHOCK THE CROWD AND PUT HER UP AND THATS ALL HE DID. MADE HER WIN. THE POLL WAS NOT WRONG, IT HAPPENED TO SHOW AND TELL MEDIA OBAMA AINT NO GOD. I AM HAPPY TO SEE A PERSON WILLING TO CHANGE THE COUNTRY. I AM NOT HAPPY COS A BLACK MAN OR A WOMAN IS CAMPAINING THATS JUST LAME. IF OBAMA WAS FULL WHITE, MOST OF Y'ALL WOULD CALL HIM SHADY. "DO NOT BLING YOUR EYES FROM THE TRUTH COS HE IS BLACK".


shawn
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(sosincere) I don't know where your facts are coming from cause it sounds to me that you have been fed that sh-t you're talking about. Hillary haven't won 1 debate on addressing the issues facing our country so what are you talking about? Hillary only tells people what she thinks they want to hear and it kills me to think that a person is DUMB enough to vote for a person because she cried or because she is a woman. Hillary got her husband Bill trying to fight her battles now, so what the hell is she going to do if she won the White House, cry and call Bill Ha!Ha!Ha! It's taking both of them and they ground crew to try to win, so common since should tell you that she is not qualified nor strong enough to beat Obama honestly.(interesting) It is very interesting how dumb you really are (smile) You're talking about Collin Powell was a real legitmate canidate for president, but if you really new what you were talking about your dumb ass would know that Collin Powell was on television yesterday talking about how strong his issues was on moving this country in the right direction. He talked about how smart and moving he was as a canidate having the gift to bring both parties together which no president have ever been able to do. I'm not voting for Obama because he's black, I'm voting for him because he's the best canidate.One more thing (interesting) you're just a raciest spoiled bastered that's hating the fact that a black man is about to run this dam country Ha!Ha! Why don't your broke ass move to Great Britain, I'm sure your fagget ass would blend in just fine Ha!Ha! (I'm Out)


chocolatevixen
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@ interesting - I agree with you. It's just not gonna happen. Hate to be the bearer of bad news but it will be a bright happy sunny day in hell b/f these crackers let a "smooth talking brother" win. As things heat up they will be starting their own version of "Vote or Die" campaigns a la Puffy. Sincere - I watched it and I had to go back over and over agin. I can't believe she said it so matter of factly. An NBC reporter just came out last week to say that a few years ago he was called in his hotel room when he went out to do an assignment and given direct orders not to get the Bin Laden family involved in a piece that he was doing about Osama b/c NBC has business dealings with them and didn't want to ruffle any feathers. That family is very protected by corporate america which is really the folks who run America. Michael Moore wasn't crazy or lying when he exposed that. But of course we don't want to believe that our government would go so far.


essenceof
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sosincere you said that "It just means perceptions are varied." You are right, therefore my perception is weakness. Don't get me wrong there are certain times when crying works. That is why I stated sometimes! Also, like you said it won her a state!


tha_last2know
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I've said it once and I'll say it again. The Popular voting process in America is a farce. Only the white men in the Electoral college (and part of the Masonic Order a.k.a. the Illuminati) have the power to put who they want in the seat of the President. Wake up my black family! The New World Order is upon us. Did you know the U.S. was secretly changed into the North American Union (making Canada, Mexico, & U.S. one sovereignty). Have you heard about the Amero Dollar replacing the U.S. dollar? Why do you think those in power don't give a shit about closing our borders? Next time you're outside, especially if you live in a big city, check out the Chem Trails in the sky being made by secret planes. These are clouds of biological warfare (to be eventually used in Iraq) that our government is secretly testing on us, and is behind the recent superbug staph infections hitting N.Y. and other American cities, as well as the pneumonia outbreak. Later this year when the National I.D. comes, DO NOT TAKE ONE! It will contain a Verichip which is a tracking device. It's a major step in their plan to turn this into a cashless society and they're making it so you will not be able to travel, get a job, or apply for goverment benefits without taking the Card. The government will be able to track your every move if you have the I.D. in your wallet or purse. Their next plan is to place the Verichip in our right hand. You won't be able to buy or sell without it. I am not joking. We need your help to join the revolution to say NO to their plan for a One World Government. Facism isn't dead, it is secretly alive and is coming back!


monisha
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WELL WELL ALL SAID AND DONE MAY THE BEST WIN. AND @ AKAN YOU ARE SO RIGHT OBAMA SCREAMS CHANGE, CHANGE ON WHAT?


tha_last2know
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I've said it once and I'll say it again. The Popular voting process in America is a farce. Only the white men in the Electoral college (and part of the Masonic Order a.k.a. the Illuminati) have the power to put who they want in the seat of the President. Wake up my black family! The New World Order is upon us. Did you know the U.S. was secretly changed into the North American Union (making Canada, Mexico, & U.S. one sovereignty). Have you heard about the Amero Dollar replacing the U.S. dollar? Why do you think those in power don't give a [EXPLETIVE] about closing our borders? Next time you're outside, especially if you live in a big city, check out the Chem Trails in the sky being made by secret planes. These are clouds of biological warfare (to be eventually used in Iraq) that our government is secretly testing on us, and is behind the recent superbug staph infections hitting N.Y. and other American cities, as well as the pneumonia outbreak. Later this year when the National I.D. comes, DO NOT TAKE ONE! It will contain a Verichip which is a tracking device. It's a major step in their plan to turn this into a cashless society and they're making it so you will not be able to travel, get a job, or apply for goverment benefits without taking the Card. The government will be able to track your every move if you have the I.D. in your wallet or purse. Their next plan is to place the Verichip in our right hand. You won't be able to buy or sell without it. I am not joking. We need your help to join the revolution to say NO to their plan for a One World Government. Facism isn't dead, it is secretly alive and is coming back!



cat4everrr
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@ monisha i agree with everything you say about the media. so true


illslogic
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@Crislex, I love the way you talk woman and it definitely doesn't hurt that you're fine too. The first thing I thought when I heard that Hillary won NH was BULLSHYT!!! I do not see how in the fugg she won when Obama was smashing her ass in the beginning. It makes no sense. I don't know how true this story is but it definitely wouldn't surprise me if it's true because this shyt is not something that can't happen. That whole crying shyt really made me know that Hillary should not be in this race. Unfortunately it showed that a woman president is too emotional for a big responsiblity like this and I don't mean to offend any of the sistas on here but let's keep it real, how in the fugg are you gonna run the country and then cry when some shyts not going your way. Hillary needs to go sit her fuggin ass down somewhere foreal because if she gets the democratic ticket she's gonna lose any fuggin way and another fugged up republic bush type muthafugga like John McCain will end up winning. HILLARY JUST GRACEFULLY BOW OUT AND STOP FUGGIN UP VOTES AND SHYT, NOBODY NEEDS YOUR EMOTIONAL FUGGED UP ASS IN OFFICE. SIT YO ASS THE FUGG DOWN. Foreal.


sosincere
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akan...uhhh yeah! So what if she was smart enough to use her husband to further her own political interests! Great move if thats what she wants to do! Im cool on the 35year experience thing...(they counted that debate in the cafeteria in Grad school, the undergrad student senate chair she held..everything) But I do have to give her credit as first lady. She wasn't the lets put an after school program in the ghetto type first lady. She was really a hands on elanor rosevelt type woman. Thats why it was so easy for her to transition. So I would count it as experience. My husband runs his own business. Ive been so involved HANDS ON with him and it for so long now I gaurentee I could start my own. Same thing!


Yo_Mammy
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This is not a surprise at all. The people who have the power are not the ones who vote...it's the ones (or machines) that COUNT the votes. If Americans let them get away with this again (this would be the 3rd election in a row stolen),then we deserve the fascist system that we are quickly descending into. The fact that the liberal state of NH would vote for 2 neo-con warmongers (Hillary Clinton & John McCain) should have raised eyebrows the world over.


cat4everrr
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@ tha_last2know i agree. the system isn’t the best. that's why it’s so important that we take our vote seriously up and down the ticket. if a member of the electoral college doesn't vote based on his/her constituents choice then he/she should be voted out.


shawn
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(monisha) Do not bling your eyes to the fact that Hillary is weak, selfish, spoiled, haven't won 1 debate, need constant help from her husband, tell anybody what she thinks they want to hear, just months ago supported the warbut now don't, and just don't have a damn clue about nothing pertaining to the real facts. (I'm Out)


sosincere
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HI ILLSLOGIC.....did you miss me?...lol. I think that she did that on purpose. It seemed calculated to me. But Baby Bush cried in office too when he needed to....remember?


Crislex
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@ Monisha: it seems to me that you have more of a bad streak withthe MEdia than the candidates themselves. True to word that the media is F-ed up and they all feed off each other (MTO), but maybe you should write a letter to the media instead of bashing OBAMA or any other candidate.


cat4everrr
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Crislex maybe you should write a letter to the media instead of bashing OBAMA or any other candidate. ---- bingo


Crislex
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MTO get that damn video of that girls ass off my computer.. how am i supposed to debate and talk on this site at work with that ass in the lower right hand corner of my SCREEN!!!


chocolatevixen
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Shawn - please learn to debate more nicer. You shouldn't call people "stupid" and "dumb" just b/c you don't agree with them. Those of you who are interested in watching a brilliant campaign documentary go out and get "The War Room". I saw it a few years ago and it is absolutely fascinating. It documents Bill Clinton's 1992 presidential campaign against Bush Sr. HIs political strategist is James Carville. He was the brain behind the campaign. Also in the documentary is George Stephanopoulos who was sometimes the press secretary for Clinton when he becomes elected. You will not be disappointed and awed at how this campaign was run and how every time they had stumbling blocks they quickly found a strategy to fix it. This is what Obama is up against. I feel sorry for him. As of earlier this week there has been talks that Carville is being asked to run Hillary's campaign as she has a different political strategist. They are not happy with whomever is running her campaign because he makes her look too "unlikeable". Carville has said that he will think about it only if the current guy leaves. If he does accept to run her campaign, it's over for Obama because there is no way he can plan on giving speeches of hope as his strategy. This is going to be a very interesting year...


ROTTEN
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First of all, Hillary thought she would lose and never wrote a victory speech. 2nd NEW HAMPSHIRE used PAPER BALLOTS and not electronic voting machines. It is true they had to find more PAPER BALLOTS so folks could vote. Stop with the BS. I'm for Hillary but I will support Obama should he win the nomination. Black people need to stop letting these news people who don't want a female President nor a BLACK President tell you how to think. The media screwed up because they hate her. She did not cry but rather had to hold back to keep from letting go. You females are the worst as if you never cried. And she wasn't losing. Iowa was a CAUCUS. New Hampshire was the first primary where Americans actually got to cast votes. Keep it together people. MTO stop spreading misinformation about serious sh^t! Stick to gossip and leave politics to people who care about it.


monisha
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OBAMA IS A FAKE FRADULENT LIAR WITH THE SKELETONS IN HIS CLOSET COMING OUT SOON. I TELL YOU WHAT, BLACKS WOULD BE HUMILIATED, COS GUESS WHAT A BLACK MAN WOULD NOT BE THE PRESIDENT.


sosincere
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thelast2know.... that north american collaboration thing is REAL...really a possibility anyway. It is not finalized but it is definately in the makings. They are trying to increase the strength of that dollar. That national ID thing is scary too. That also is just flat out info for the world to see. They don't hide it cause we are either apathetic or don't look. See my boy Ron Paul said he is cool on ALLLLLL THAT! He may be a racist devil but just eliminate this big brother ish!....lol. Thats why again I am soooo suoer cool on the democratic candidates. None of them address the stuff I want to talk about. But since I got to pick Im still going with Obama.


chocolatevixen
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@#tha_last2know, please stop it, you are scaring me. I don't like doomsday talk (smile)



Crislex
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@ Vixen, i cannot believe that they are balming her political stratgist as portraying her 'unlikeable" Hilary is a grown thinking person and she shouldnt blame her unlikability on someone working hard for her. SHe was unlikeable years ago and still unlikable now.. lmao..but good info:) Again, Hilary piggybacking on her husband.. damn get your own life HIl..lmao


sosincere
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lol@ crislex.....AGAIN! You got to stop. People are going to wonder whats wrong with me!!!!


cat4everrr
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chocolatevixen Flag post Shawn - please learn to debate more nicer. You shouldn't call people "stupid" and "dumb" just b/c you don't agree with them. ----- i agree. when we get stuck in the mud slinging the debate get's lost in the shuffle


DubR
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Can any1 tell me what President or in that matter leader of fany country cried to win votes? This is a pure sign of weakness i'm sorry that women seem to take it to heart but no country needs some1 that will tear up when the going gets ruff. If u will cry at a simple ? what do u think she would do if a terrorist attack happens sit there and boo hoo i mean damn at least Bush sat there (all be it looking stupid) but he didn't shed a tear in front of the people, imagine if he would have broke down and started crying we would have had every nation blowing shyt up over here.


sosincere
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chocolate vixen..... did you check out the video?


chocolatevixen
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Where's Yusefx? Visiting Ron's Paul's office, probably. I do like to hear his take on things, though.


cat4everrr
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Rotten Stop with the BS. I'm for Hillary but I will support Obama should he win the nomination. Black people need to stop letting these news people who don't want a female President nor a BLACK President tell you how to think. ----- co-sign


cat4everrr
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chocolatevixen Flag post Where's Yusefx? Visiting Ron's Paul's office, probably. I do like to hear his take on things, though ---- me to


chocolatevixen
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Sosincere, I did watch it. I posted about it previously. Shocking and unbelievable. I had to play it over and over @ the 6:15 mark and started to wonder was there another Osama Bin Laden b/c she just was so matter of fact in saying it.


Crislex
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@ Monisha Alright sista, Go ahead and vote for the white man because thats what your starting to sound like. Now your bashing this man instead of giving knowledgable facts to support your decision against him. Hilary is fake to, she is a fraud and also seems to be using white woman as her pedalstal to get into the white house. Stop acting like you dont have skeletons in your closet because I know I do and so do many others on this site, even the Writers of MTO.


DubR
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@ sosincere come on now i remember reading your post the other day on your feelings on black men so this is not a surprise that u r a Hillary fan from those comments it's surpising that u have any respect a black anything.


sosincere
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ahhhhhh darn it DUB R!!!!! Yes bush did! They were calculated and they were planned but HE CRIED....IN PUBLIC! He cried when he was at a press conference after 911 when talking about the loss of "american lives". He had to pause and collect himself. I remember that distinctly! But they said it showed his "human side" It was a sign of TRUE COMPASSION! But when a woman do it...(calculated also) it's WEAK? BLACK WOMEN..... Please know that even if you are riding with Obama (as I am ) that we live in a white MANS society. We as women face the same bigotry and stereotypes as we do as being black. BLACK WOMEN ARE THE STRONGEST CREATURES ON THE PLANET, I SWEAR....(as I look for my chaka kahns "Im every woman" download.)


africangirl
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Last night on my local news (PHILLY)accordling to the news caster and a republic & democract specialist they actually said they both won evenly they were explaning how i was interupted never found out how . Iam not voting for her enough of the Clintons need new folks in the White House


Crislex
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@ DubR: Ill say this, Through all the shit that Bhutto been through before her assassination, DID YOU EVER SEE HER CRY IN PUBLIC????? That woman was in a country where is was targeted to be killed among her other opposition leaders. She didnt shed a tear on cam to show a sign of striff in front of her people. Not because she was in a male dominated country, but because she knew what was up. Now Clinton crying over this presidency, thats a bamma move. she should have taken it to her bus, or probraly been more sincere with her words instead of crying in public. Bhutto handled her position like a strong defiant woman. I am just upset that she is no longer with her country.


chocolatevixen
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I think alot of Americans are truly tried and scared and they have started to romanticize of the good old days when Clinton was in office. Back then our only problem was our President getting head by an intern. Oh how I miss those days. I think alot of people feel that way and they think if Hillary becomes president it will be as if Bill is president.... again Sadly, it's a different world now. We have subprime loan crisis, mass foreclosures, two wars being fought concurrently, illegal immigrants who need to breath (for crying out loud), Iraq is now a "democratic" country and the list goes on. Watching Bill Clinton stump for Hillary he looks old and tired.. like a shaggy dog. I like him but I think he's best suited for the private sector as Gore has done for the environment. We need something different.. Just don't know who is going to fill those shoes.



cat4everrr
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africangirl Flag post Last night on my local news (PHILLY)accordling to the news caster and a republic & democract specialist they actually said they both won evenly they were explaning how i was interupted never found out how . --- i agree, i don't think any big winners came out of new hampshire. she only won by 3 points. that's hardly a mandate


sosincere
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DubR feeling on black men???? Huh????? Please enlighten me? Did I EVER say ANYthing derogatory about blackmen? Maybe you have me confused. I am usually the one shouting the loudest about black nationalism. It's o.k. Mistaken identity...I understand!


cat4everrr
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sosincere Flag post ahhhhhh darn it DUB R!!!!! Yes bush did! They were calculated and they were planned but HE CRIED....IN PUBLIC! --- he also cried on camera when he was talking about his dad


illslogic
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@sosincere, Of course I miss you, LOL!!! How are you today? @Whatever dumb ass this applies to, Now about this whole Hillary bullshyt and for those who keep bashing Obama. It's like someone said the other day, niccas always have their reasons for not supporting Obama down to a fuggin science but they don't have that same shyt down for why they're not voting for or are voting for the rest of those white muthafuggas. If you're a black person and you don't like Obama for whatever dumb ass fuggin reason you make yourself feel comfortable with keep that shyt to yourself because the last thing I want to hear from a nicca is why he's not supporting another nicca and supporting some pink muthafugga. I DO NOT WANT TO HEAR THAT SHYT so take your sambo buckwheat sell out asses somewhere else with that crab in a barrell bullshyt.


shawn
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(chocolatevixen)It's not no such thing as more nicer, next time leave more out of it using the word nicer along in your sentence "OK" Baby girl I don't know what you have seen Hillary do to impress you, but you have seen something everybody else haven't Ha!Ha! Obama haven't let any of those stupid comments made by Hillary and her husband fase him at all which shows how classy he really must be as a person. For the record, I keep seeing you refer to Obama's speeches as if you have a problem with them. Obama speaks from the heart just like martin King did and people can feel what they are saying . That is a gift from above it's not something that can be rehearsed like others do. OBAMA will be president because he is the best canidate not because he's black. (I'm Out)


tha_last2know
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@ sosincere: You are right...Ron Paul may be a biggot, but this secret government s.h.i.t is much bigger than black/white. It's worldwide and I don't plan on playing the game. I may vote for the cracka Ron Paul however much of this nation's dismantling is already taking place. @ chocolatevixen: (luv your pic btw) I didn't mean to scare you only to make you mad. Mad enough to write to your Congressman and say I don't want this s.h.i.t. I'm just as fearful as everyone else too, but these men in power are banking on our fears that we can do nothing. We can!


sosincere
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Oh and Im not a Hillary fan...Im a fan of REALISM! and a fan of Black people use your heads. Did't I say I was riding with Obama?


illslogic
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@whoever claiming sosincere to be a blackman basher, Sosincere loves my black ass so she definitely ain't no black man basher.


cat4everrr
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@ DubR How do you feel about more and more women going into management roles and having to give direction to men?


cat4everrr
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chocolatevixen hawn Flag post (chocolatevixen)It's not no such thing as more nicer, next time leave more out of it using the word nicer along in your sentence ---- @ chocolatevixen just leave it alone until he learns how to communicate. you should do like i do and just skip over his comments until he's ready for real debate. he ain't ready


chocolatevixen
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LOL @ Shawn... that's your best defense, my grammatical error. I'm gonna take cat4everr's advice and give you the hand.


sosincere
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chocolatevixen.... lol at that comment about "another Osama bin Laden". Really they said it so care free. But what got me was the interviewer didn't miss a beat. no "what??? Osama's dead? Then why is the Us hunting for him. Maybe someoune should call President Bush"......crazy!!!!! illslogic.... can't complain. Back at it again today. Same story same position! Same waste of time at work.


aurevoir
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the following links are to those interested in some of the behind the scenes new world order info. Hilary and Bill are said to be part of the crew. http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/nv2.htm http://www.theinsider.org/reports/new-world-order/ I will call it a day now.


cat4everrr
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chocolatevixen Flag post LOL @ Shawn... that's your best defense, my grammatical error. I'm gonna take cat4everr's advice and give you the hand. ----- he should head over to community news. i'm almost postitive they got a thread going with a whole lot of cussing, fussing and name calling. i'm sure he would feel more at home over there.


africangirl
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GOD DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS . i HATE BIBLE THUMPING PEOPLE . THERE ARE TOO MANY PIMS IN THE PULPIT NOW TRYING TO PREACH YOUR LIFE WHILE THEY ARE ROBBING YOU BLIND.



chocolatevixen
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Shawn, where did you get the idea that I'm impressed by Hillary? Oh I forgot, I'm not supposed to be talking to you until you learn how to play nice, booboo


peppers_01
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I honestly think that yes Obama is very charismatic, but that is not the only thing that he has going for him. For the crazy person in here saying that she doesn't know who he is (Monisha), get his book and read about his life. His life is not this big ball of mystery that showed up a year ago. Hell how much do you know about any of the candidate whose name was inexistent to mainstream culture. He is a man that stand for change. If you go to his website and look at his videos and hear his wife speak on how she met him, you can tell he really cares about the welfare of ppl. He has a law degree, but chose to spend his time not working a lawyer making big bucks, but community organizing. I know that community organizing is hard and takes dedication and passion, b/c I am a community organizing. It is not a glamorous career, you have to really care about the ppl to enter this line of work. And if there is a possibility that this man could be assassinated simply b/c of his skin color, then how selfless is this man to put his life on the line to create change. Dang Black ppl don't kill the man before it happens. These negative type of ppl are the reason that ppl are afraid to take change for the better of all. You don't have to be conspiracy theorists about everything and everyone. Some of you conspiracy theorists make sense, and some of you just sound downright crazy and miserable. I don't know if all this mess about machines messing up is true, but many of you don't know that the lady that asked the question that Hillary was answering when she started crying/ breaking up, didn't even end up voting for Hillary. She said that in the midst of Hillary crying, she was still using this tactic to talk bad about Obama. That is what her whole race has been about, discrediting Obama (experience). That's all she can say, but the man actually has more experience than she has. I just gotta close cause I'm getting irritated at ignorant ppl, who, if you did ur research would know what all the candidates stand for.


sosincere
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illslogic....thanx :). I just think he got me confused with someone else. You crack me up ....you went from Tea time at noon with "and how are you today" and then jumped to fist in the air, all black, black boots, with a red black and green medalion on with "take your sambo buckwheat sell out asses somewhere else with that crab in a barrell bullshyt." lol.... thats why we get along cause I do it too at times. (ususally when provoked)But we go use sugar to attract the flies not vinigar today.


cat4everrr
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@ peppers_01 i was listening to the radio on my way into the office this morning and a song came on by kirk franklin. i think it was called "this is it". it would be the perfect theme song for obama


Crislex
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Doesnt MTO have a forum, because I am in the mood to talk about B.E.T, since someone mentioned sell outs...lmao


Thekute1
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@ CRISLEX well i think most black folks dont dont want a black president because if he gets killed you think jena 6 was bad there will be an all out race war again between blacks and whites 4real.and if hilary wins the arabs will laugh at america and not take us seriously at all because we have women for president.just look how they treat there own women like trash.how they see it is a man will alway be stronger than a women to them women are weak and below them.and when hilary did that cryin sh!t them arabs was probally looking like they know they will be able to walk all on us.to me as a black women being a president is a job for a man not a women.you have to be strong to be a president.but women are just naturally emotional.and what she just showed when she cried is if she become president anything that goes wrong she wont be able to take it and will break.and thats not good for this country cause presedents are represinting their country and cryin shows a sign of weakness and will make the country look weak 4real.IM VOTING 4 OBAMA ALL THE WAY BABY!!!!


sosincere
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crislex.... bhutto is from a MUCH different cultural and political climate that we are over her. So it DEFINATELY would not been wise for her to cry...especially not at a assasination attempt. BUT when in Rome you do as the Romans do. The US is so wishy washy and controlled BY MEDIA that the media can spin that crying anyway they please and get folks to ride with it. Hillary crying won her piblic opinion over here. But even if she was sincerely sick wit it I don't believe that woulda made her anyless strong than Bhutto who shed no tears that I saw in public. But I wasn't following her until that 1st assasination attempt...so I don't know. She may have.


cat4everrr
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Crislex Flag post Doesnt MTO have a forum, because I am in the mood to talk about B.E.T, since someone mentioned sell outs...lmao ---- yup, it used to called community news before the upgrade


sosincere
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THEKUTE1.... SINCE WHEN IS CRYING A SIGN OF WEAKNESS? I cant argue this point anymore....cat4ever...maybe it's just you and me on this one!!!!


cat4everrr
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@ Thekute1 then they should feel the same way about the current president since he's done the same. there shouldn't be one standard for a man, in this case bush who was viewed in a positive light for shedding tears; and a woman, in this case clinton who was viewed negatively


sosincere
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hey whats up with BET...besides the normal garbage???


Crislex
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@ Sosincere: I feel you on that, but at the same time woman still have it some what unufair in AMerica. And in most work places and public places a woman who is hysterical and crying doesnt really react well. And with hilary running in a previously male dominated race, she should have controlled her emotions, in my opinion. it is bad enought hat men think that we are too emotional and weak and we think with our hearts and not our minds when we are stressed, and then she goes to cry on t.v at a coffee party. And if that little meeting was supposed to be an intimate moment, why was there camera crews there if she was intimately meeting with the NH residents?\ Smell like a set-up :)


Crislex
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@ sosincere nothing is going on with B.E.T, me and my significant other got in a debate last nigth about whether BET was a sell out station now


cat4everrr
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sosincere cat4ever...maybe it's just you and me on this one!!!! --- yeah, it looks that way...lol


Erlesse
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@cat4everrr I have been a regular reader of MTO, but never registered to post a comment. However, upon reading Cat4everrr's responses, I was compelled to sign up. I'm not on here to criticize anyone as we are all entitled to our opinions. However, if the MTO age demographic serves correctly on this post, I am overly impressed with you Cat4everrr. It does not matter to me whom you support, but your willingness to conduct research, mett out the true issues and know intimately of what you speak is commendable. Conspiracy theory or not, this is a huge election and it's not about tearing down the candidates who represent a new administration and new way of thinking. And I endorse the party and candidate that provides same. So, while I have already chosen a candidate to endorse during the primary season, I refuse to become disillusioned and allow my early vote to make me take my eyes off the prize. This race is bigger than Obama, Hillary and Edwards and only begins with the candidate(s) selected to run for office in November. P.S. On John Kerry, it would have been more impressive to support Obama pre-Iowa! P.S.S. If Bloomberg comes in as an independent, that will be a major impact.



Thekute1
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@ CRISLEX & CAT4EVERRR my biggest issue is can a women handle the strongest richest county in the world.including terrorist nucler war, global warming, immigration, AIDS what about all these issues. all i hear her talk about health care health care health care like that the only major problem what about all the other issues? OBAMA AND CHANGE ALL THE WAY BABY!!!!!!!!


sosincere
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Im with you. Anyone who has LOST CONTROLL over their emotions are not too well recieved. Bushes Cowboy tactics with his "you hit us we are going to strike, and punish and shock and awe"...all that testosterone was sooooo unnecessary! He was exercising the emotion of anger through vengefullness. Im not saying he shoulda cried and say"why ya'll do that" but it's still an emotion and should be looked at as such especially in in the context of judgement against a woman for using one. But when it's all said and done I think Hillary was playing it up a bit for the women in the room. But she is setting precedent for WOMEN just as Obama is setting precedent as a BLACK MAN. I got a lil girl and I want her to be able to be like look I can be president and still not be afraid to be a woman...emotions and all. She shouldn't have to morph into no man to get respected! But Im still riding with Obama...lol.


slimgirlmel
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So I had to create an account just to post on this topic. It's funny how people question EVERY OTHER item that MTO posts but when it something like this, everyone just assumes it to be true. Everybody on Obama's nuts ...have you ever heard him speak? Very intelligent man, but his speeches say NOTHING. All he says fifty million times is "It's time for a change" and he does not tell us how we are going to get there. Everybody that is talking about Hillary crying, she DIDN'T EVEN CRY! You guys are acting like she just broke down boo hoo crying and that is not the case. She got emotional...who cares? That's not a sign of weakness, it shows she cares! Hillary is the most qualified candidate and if a black man wasn't running, I think you would all agree.


sosincere
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thekute1.....health care is all we have been hearing from ANY of the democratic candidates. I blame the conductors of the debates. Those cornball questions. I would keep it personal and not broad. Can HILLARY handle them issues...not can a WOMAN. But I kinda see your point ...our nature is so different than the grime of politics and world domination that we do have to divorce a lil of that in order to play in present day politics. I don't know?????


focus
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@slimgirlmel: If Obama wasn't running, I would still be undecided like I am now. Obama is a good orator but hasn't offered any positions on issues as of yet. I'm still wating. Even if he wasn't in the ring, I don't think I'd vote for Hillary. There's too much corrupted baggage that comes with her. She and Bill may be teflon like John Gotti but there's still White Water, Travelgate, Monica L., Rose Law Firm, you name it. I'd probably vote Republican.


cat4everrr
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@ Erlesse awwwwwwwwww shucks..thx! do me a favor, don't ever read my goofy comments in community news. you might think i'm a goof ball then...lol


sosincere
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crislex...ohh. I thought they were in the process of a new show highlighting the life 12 year old middle school kids and thier boyfriend girl friend/ he said she said drama. Or maybe a reality show starring Black ex cons in a halfway house. Or maybe......(*insert your own horribly stereotypical show here*)


cat4everrr
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Erlesse P.S.S. If Bloomberg comes in as an independent, that will be a major impact. --- i've thought of that but given the history of independant candidates i'm not sure. on the other hand dems and republicans like him. do you think he'll jump in?


Thekute1
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@ SOSINCERE you right CAN "HILLARY" HANDLE THEM ISSUES mybad yall


StatelyLooking
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Keep in mind everyone, Hillary(the Clintons)and the Bush Family have a long history as being friends and business partners. Therefore, research the history of the Clintons (Bill) and then you will understand the bigger agenda that is taking place. It is time for us to execute our critical thinking skills.


Crislex
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HEY EVERYONE, I JUST PUT UP A POSTING IN COMMUNITY NEWS ASKING YOU OPINIONS ON BET AND TVONE, I WOULD LOVE IT IF I COULD GET YOUR OPINIONS. MY MAJOR IN SCHOOL IS COMMUNICATTIONS SOO THIS WOULD REALLY BE INSIGHTFUL. THANKS :)


Erlesse
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@cat4everrr Not even remotely concerned about Bloomberg or any other independent winning the electin, just offsetting the votes that the Democrats need. Much like Nader Ruined it!


sosincere
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cat4ever..... I don't think he has a chance at anything monumental but Independants wreck havoc on moderate votes. So with a race as close as this one it may be interesting. I just wish the primaries would be over. History is set with the OBAMA/CLINTON democratic presidential ticket, and History made again with the election of the first African American and first Woman in the white house! ....lol If EITHER one picks EDWARDS as a running mate if they pull the party nomination I am going to be P I S S E D!


Thekute1
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LOL at the crawling roaches at the top of my screen that is alway funny to me. MTO have roaches LOL.


Erlesse
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@Crislex I'd love to give you my views, but I'm new to this. What do I have to do to get to community news?



Erlesse
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@cat4everrr I don't see Edwards going for "second best".


mafiaprincess
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I SEE THAT ALL OF "POLITICAL" REGULARS ARE IN TODAY....HI EVERYONE!!! @Thekute1...NOT SAYING THAT I AM GOING TO VOTE FOR HER..BUT I THINK A WOMAN CAN HANDLE THE JOB JUST AS GOOD AS A MAN....


chocolatevixen
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@slimgirlmel, I have to disagree with you. Can you name one positive change that Hillary has done since being in office in 2000? She hasn't done a thing. If she does win, it will not be because she's what's best for America. It will be b/c she will most likely scare white folks into voting for her. But, you do have to acknowledge that Obama has his fight cut out for him. He has no idea how nasty this is going to get. If you think her little alligator tears were bad, you ain't seen nothing yet. The Clintons are a force to reckon with. For those who thought she was going to slither away with her tail tucked in between her legs, think again. Poor sweet innocent civil rights fighing Obama will soon be introduced to the world of dirty politics in the next few months. I'm going to get my popcorn and sit back and watch this drama unfold as Bill and Hillary pull out every trick in their very big and powerful hats to outclever our sweet handsome boy. Mark my words, there is no way in hell that Obama's new address will be 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. Anyone wants to hedge bets?


cat4everrr
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Erlesse Flag post @cat4everrr I don't see Edwards going for "second best". ----- who do you think his votes will go to?


cat4everrr
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sosincere Flag post cat4ever..... I don't think he has a chance at anything monumental but Independants wreck havoc on moderate votes ----- good point. i think he would eat into the republican vote more than the dems


sosincere
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hi mafiaprincess...... yep, the gangs all here! We missing Yusef X though!...


cat4everrr
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Erlesse Flag post @Crislex I'd love to give you my views, but I'm new to this. What do I have to do to get to community news? ----- click forum at the top of the page. i'll bump up her thread so you will see it once you get there


Thekute1
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HILLARY DID VOTE FOR THE WAR IN IRAQ!!she sho did. if she pecomes president we will have a very good "health care" system for all.but more will die from AIDS and that will become a bigger issue,sea levels will be rising due to global warming,terrorist will bomb the empire state building the goldengate bridge and will bomb newyork subways and latino immigrants will take over and will be a spanish peaking country 4real.OBAMA ALL THE WAY BABY!!!!!!


aurevoir
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somthing definitely happened in New Hampshire. I just read that Ron Paul's votes were not counted in N.H. I hope and pray Obama is our next president we need a change. No more Bush, or Clinton.


deblynn
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We should not vote for Obama just because he is black. I think Hillary is more qualified. Look at all the things Bill (and Hillary) did for blacks when he was in office. Hillary health plan will insure ALL who are uninsured. Obama’s will not. People let’s vote for who we think will help OUR interest. Look in all the major cities. Most of the major cities have black mayors (our does) and crime is rampant. When they get in office they only seem to be interested in lining their own pockets with money. So let’s look at how each candidate positions are on the issues and vote on that and that alone. Remember Clarence Thomas.


Thekute1
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@ CHOCOLATEVEXIN thats funny but you are right LOL he better get ready.


Thekute1
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DAMN IT TYPEOS!!!!!!this damn keyboard is recking my nerves


cat4everrr
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Thekute1 MTO have roaches LOL. --- LOL


chocolatevixen
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Thekute1, nothing is funnier than your pic. Please tell me how you did that. I think I want to distort my pic also. Let's see.. I'd like to do a mashup of myself and ummmm... I have to think on this for a sec.


hercules98
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@sosincere...damn I knew Osama was dead but you know what man I the government has found other ways to divert us from the real issues like gas rates and the war...now its MLB and steriods when will start acting like our parents and storm capital hill for answers I am ashamed of myself and my generation.



cat4everrr
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@ hercules98 that steriod debacle had to be the biggest waste of tax money ever...lol


hercules98
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cat4everr you know congress is bringing some players back up there Feb 13th again to talk about steriods again. Ridiculous! You can everyone in congress and the oversight committee for this but not bring in exxon and others over how the made BILLIONS when you were supposedly in a gas crisis after Katrina come on!!!


sosincere
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I agree hercules..... But honestly they had me fooled cause I didn't think dude was dead. I just felt they went trying to find him ligitimately. I don't know whats wrong with us....me in particular. I can only get mad at myself. I think we are so apathetic to alot of stuff. Then those of us with wide eyes are like "look I see the majority of ya'll are ignorant and like it like that, so Im cool on putting myself out there for a bunch of folks who refuse to wake up!" Plus the enemy isn't as clear now. We don't have police dogs and stuff. Hell I turn on t.v and I see lil wayne make it rain so I might think it's alright...lol. Just hard to get people to be concerned.


shawn
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(cat4everrr) You act like you want to eat oh girl (chocolatevixen) out or something. Both of ya'll have your views which are stupid and not saying much (In my opinion) Ha! Ha! I got more money to get but for whoever is hating on Obama "ESPECIALL if you are black and "Uncle Tomming" (OBAMA will win so Deal With It)Damn!! (I'm Out)


sosincere
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*weren't trying to ligitimately find him*...man I can't type!


cat4everrr
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shawn Flag post (cat4everrr) You act like you want to eat oh girl (chocolatevixen) out or something. Both of ya'll have your views which are stupid and not saying much (In my opinion) Ha! Ha! I got more money to get but for whoever is hating on Obama "ESPECIALL if you are black and "Uncle Tomming" (OBAMA will win so Deal With It)Damn!! (I'm Out) ---- i don't converse on grown-up issues with adults who have child level communication skills. stop being so childish and come back when you are ready for real talk....grown up's talking here, do you mind?


cat4everrr
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hercules98 Flag post cat4everr you know congress is bringing some players back up there Feb 13th again to talk about steriods again ---- we should all form a management group and offer our services to do the baseball investigation for the bargain basement price of 5 million dollars. we could get to see free baseball games and everything...lol


gemini615
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why does everyone keep saying they do not know Baracks stand? you can always go on his website...www.barackobama.com...he states his position on a variety of issues on this site...stop feeding us with tired and lazy reasons. if you want to know do your research instead of being force fed information by those that do not want him in office. do your own research and then decide. btw...research is not finding out if he is black and thats it...


sosincere
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hercules.... my dude says all the time if he could vote (darn felony conviction) he would vote for Bush again and again. At first I was like YOU ARE NUTS but he said it GOT TO GET WORSE BEFORE IT GET BETTER! He'd rather have a SOB in office thats like look Im doin what I do for me and my crew and f' the rest of ya'll...rether than a fake we are the world cat that makes us complacent while things don't CHANGE! He said then maybe folks will wake up and DEMAND for some action. I don't know if I could go as far as to voting for Bush again.....BUT I SWEAR I SEE HIS POINT!


cat4everrr
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hercules98 but not bring in exxon and others over how the made BILLIONS when you were supposedly in a gas crisis after Katrina come on!!! ---- Ah Man...I know that's right...you preaching now...lol


chocolatevixen
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Shawn, you need to go back to the projects (community board) and post there. This conversation is obviously too sophisticated for your simple mind. On a side note, Cat4everrr, do you think I'm hot? (j/k)


sosincere
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GEMINI615...Ive been to the sight....NUMEROUS times. And it gives alot of HOPE but there is still no clear cut planning on it. It talks about what he wants to see happen and what he proposes to do to fix it but does not state HOW. But to his defense NONE of them really do. So at least he got the hope part on lock!!!


cat4everrr
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LOL @ chocolatevixen folks always resorting to that type of mess when they get frustrated with themselves for not being able to articulate their views. it just goes right over my head...lol


hercules98
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@cat4everrr...my new MTO policy is I dont respond to haters or alternative lifestyles converters. They try to get you worked up and then your day is ruined ...TRUST ME I KNOW. Had one alternative lifestyler get me worked up about my personal photos im up in the middle of night looking for more photos to prove myself to nobodies...lol they'll work you nerves and have acting outside your character! "HATERS WITHOUT A POT TO P!SS IN WILL TRY TO P!SS IN YOURS....KEEP HATING CHUMPS!"


sosincere
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Plus to me they straddle the fense. Either you for something or you against it. If you against it call it some BS and say you are going to try to erradicate it. I hate that tap dance they do...It needs to be reformed...in it's current state....begin the process of......ARRRRGHHHH!



cat4everrr
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@ gemini615 what are your views on obama other than his standard talking points. i'd like to hear it from an average man's perspective...seriously


sosincere
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HERCULES....WHICH ONE IS YOU...LOL???? Nah Im just kidding....you both are handsome blackmen. P.s I bet the ones talking have no pic posted to campare and contrast. Im scared to death to put my actual pic on the net......I watch toooo much dateline and ish. I say it all the time!


cat4everrr
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hercules98 Flag post @cat4everrr...my new MTO policy is I dont respond to haters or alternative lifestyles converters ---- your my new e-best friend...lol. i try to surround myself with positive people. you know how in movies people put up the cross to prevent dracula from attacking them. that's how i feel about negative people. i don't want them bringing that mess around me.


cat4everrr
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sosincere Flag post GEMINI615...Ive been to the sight....NUMEROUS times. And it gives alot of HOPE but there is still no clear cut planning on it. It talks about what he wants to see happen and what he proposes to do to fix it but does not state HOW. But to his defense NONE of them really do. So at least he got the hope part on lock!!! ---- i would like to hear how he will implement his ideas also. i hear so many people say it that i don't want to pile on.


gemini615
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@ sosincere You are correct...ALL of the candidates say what they would do as president but do not say how...what is the difference with Barack? The difference is that people view blacks as dreamers and wishers and people that hope because we are never in high enough power to implement change and make those hopes and dreams and wishes a reality. This is one of the reasons why i am offended when people refer to Barack as ONLY a dreamer and person with hope. As a senator he has been able to back up his positions but everyone is not aware of this because they do not know about Barack Obama...and I say to those that don't...do your research instead of resting on ignorance. You do that and you are worst then the person that chose not to vote. So my comment was more for those that say they do now know where he stands on issues...his site clearly states where he stands...which is my point.


sosincere
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right it's cool that you want ever american child under the age of 25 to have gaurenteed healthcare but just HOW do propose to do that??? Through legislation? O.k if so WHERE is this funding to extend these benifits coming from in a system where the budget for SSI is already running dry? New Taxes??? Ok on what or who??? Will that pass the house or the senate??? MY GOODNESS! I HATE RHETORIC!


sosincere
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GEMINI...dont get me wrong Im with you. I just think even when we know the issues I expect more from them. As a nation of voters period. Obama is NO more of a dreamer than anyone else! None of them say anything!


gemini615
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i hate it too but the reasons given for the lack of support of Obama is BS...if one is going to vote for Hillary or whomever else do that...but if your reasoning is because he is not giving a step by step rundown of ALL of his actions to implement the change then that should be expected by all the candidates


hercules98
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Im the one on the right. I have one pic I switch between with my shirt off (my wife hates when I use it to post by the way!) and I guess when I put up an AUTHENTIC!!! photo of myself all these gay guys started posting fake ones and then commenting on mine...the funny thing about it is all the comments were coming from "MEN" (xy chromosomes by genetic standards)


sosincere
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lol @ cat4ever... "my e- best friend"... My daughter (6) came home about a month ago trying to explain to me why her friend Delaney was her BF (best friend) and Gabby was her BFF (BEST FRIEND FOREVER) and then tried futher to explain to me the difference. I couldn't get it! Im am officially GROWN! ...lol


interesting
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@ Crislex Under her husband's presidency from 1992 to 2000, the gap between income for blacks and whites lessened. Increased home ownership. Influx of jobs in large part due to tariffs implemented to have multinational corporations invest in America instead of overseas. Remember the Clinton took over the mess they inherited from Bush, Sr. Now compare what is going on from 2000 to 2008*, the gap between blacks & whites has widen significantly. Even brown skin are doing awful during his presidency and going back to democratic party. Katrina (and FEMA). Patriot act and erosion of constitutional freedoms all in the name of 9/11 especially when the president knew of the possible attack 6 months before it occurred. This Iraq war and the lies of how we got into it. If Obama gets in, he does not have the pull or experience to work out these plans. He is talk. But, substantively he can't move resistant Republicans who will make it more difficult for him to get any of his plans in place. That is why Clinton has a shot. Regardless if you like her, the Republicans RESPECT the Clintons. They don't know the Obama's at all except from a freakin 2004 speech on hope. And you really think the nooses springing up and comments of lynching Tiger woods has nothing to do with this biracial man thinking the time has come for a BLACK PRESIDENT to take the helm. Negro Please!


hercules98
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@cat4everrr. We can be best e-friends but please dont make me call you BFF Id have to castrate myself then. lol


sosincere
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Gemini...I agree completely! Hercules...I think the gay guys is just ONE GUY! I think he trades back and forth between names.And uses random pics of men with nice shapes. Com'on ..last week it was like 8 posters of supposedly Gay guys with BANGGIN bodies. And they all used the "Im gay and?"..signature. Not 8..in one week...all with the same signature. If just 1 normal dude would have posted with the gay pride signature I wouldn't be in such disbelief!....lol


cat4everrr
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hercules98 Flag post @cat4everrr. We can be best e-friends but please dont make me call you BFF Id have to castrate myself then. lol --- no worries, can't have that...lol


peachy_09
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They set Hillary up to win becuase she nearly started to cry. If she starts to get emotional in situations like the NH election how is she gonna be as President of the United States? I beleive Obama won really.



sosincere
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Ohh..I think my honey bunny secretly visists this sight to check my work activities.... "Gay guys with lean muscular physique's" Im sorry boo!!!!...lol


cat4everrr
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@ gemini615 i think you make some valid points


hercules98
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lol all that was from ONE guy! Are freaking kidding me. Let me apologize to my gay community out there b/c that guy pissed me the f*** off. Well damn now I feel bad...


FelonysHobby
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Everybody is screaming conspiracy..HOLD YOUR HORSES. There's still a long way to go in this election. Yes, Hillary played the "White woman in distress" card (If you really want to see how it's played, watch Scary Movie 1). She cried once, she can't play that card again. It does make me think...everyone gets on George Bush for sitting in that classroom for 7 minutes on September 11th when he was told that the country was under attack; what if that was Hillary Clinton? Would she have sat there and cried? You don't see Obama whining like Keith Sweat just because Bill Clinton is talkin Sh!t about him. Its about to get real interesting. These states coming up have big minority populations and Obama is pretty popular and has proven that whites will vote for him. The question is will everyone buy Hillary's Bullsh!t? Holla Black


mafiaprincess
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I DO BELIEVE THAT HILARY WILL HAVE THE SUPPORT OF HER HUSBAND WITH HIS EXPERIENCE AND ALL...MR. CLINTON DID AND EXCELLENT JOB IN OFFICE.... WHY CAN'T HILARY AND OBAMA RUN AS PRES. AND VICE PRES. TOGETHER?


chocolatevixen
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sosincere - Our national debt is $9,204,087,561,554.86. We are borrowing from the Chinese for God's sake. I saw an interview with Obama on The Situation Room on CNN and he was hawking his health care idea. When asked how he's going to come up with the money he gave a ridiculous response that I can't even remember. His heart is in the right place but he will not be able to deliver what he's promising. I think that he's also surprised at how well he's doing. Remember, America was introducted to Obama at the Democratic Convention in 04 and fell in love with him. He became an overnight sensation. He is remembered for that stirring speech that he gave that nite but I really don't think that he's ready to be president. He is way too naive and inexperienced.


cat4everrr
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@chocolatevixen Flag post sosincere - Our national debt is $9,204,087,561,554.86 ---- china, india, and japan holding our dept scares the heck out of me. i'm not sure what our kids can expect


PINKLADY86
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I WOULD'NT PUT IT PAST HER CRY BABY ASS!!!... I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT AT ONE POINT I WAS TORN BETWEEN WITHER I WANTED TO VOTE FOR HER OR OBAMA!!! HAHA!


shelly
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she will stop at nothing. she was the one who accused him of wanting to president because he wrote that when he was in kindergarten... how many young men has ever said they want to be president when they grow up? she is the one who put it out there that he attended a terrorist school when he was 5... even Bill Clinton has called Obama's run for the presidency a 'fairy tale'... Bill Clinton, whom black people love to no end!


cat4everrr
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@ FelonysHobby all eyes are on South Carolina with almost 50 percent of the dem vote being black. mark my words, the black woman vote will be the swing vote in that state. i know there has got to be black women such as myself who are torn.


chocolatevixen
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This was posted on the "I love NY" thread but they obviously don't care abt it on that thread. So, read and weep. Very interesting and something that should be considered in your choice. If you do not ever forward anything else, please forward this to all your contacts ...this is very scary to think of what lies ahead of us here in our own United States...better heed this and pray about it and share it. We checked this out on 'snopes.com'. It is factual. Check for yourself. Who is Barack Obama? Probable U. S. presidential candidate, Barack Hussein Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii, to Barack Hussein Obama, Sr., a black MUSLIM from Nyangoma-Kogel, Kenya and Ann Dunham, a white ATHEIST fromWichita, Kansas. Obama's parents met at the University of Hawaii. When Obama was two years old, his parents divorced. His father returned to Kenya. His mother then married Lolo Soetoro , a RADICAL Muslim from Indonesia.? When Obama was 6 years old, the family relocate to Indonesia. Obama attended a MUSLIM school in Jakarta. He also spent two years in a Catholic school. Obama takes great care to conceal the fact that he is a Muslim. He is quick to point out that, 'He was once a Muslim, but that he also attended Catholic school.' Obama's political ! handler s are attempting to make it appear that he is not a radical Obama's introduction to Islam came via his father, and that this influence was temporary at best. In reality, the senior Obama returned to Kenya soon after the divorce, and never again had any direct influence over his son's education. Lolo Soetoro, the second husband of Obama's mother, Ann Dunham, introduced his stepson to Islam. Obama was enrolled in a Wah! abi sch ool in Jakarta. Wahabism is the RADICAL teaching that is followed by the Muslim terrorists who are now waging Jihad against the western world. Since it is politically expedient to be a CHRISTIAN when seeking major public office in the United States, Bar ack Hussein Obama has joined the United Church of Christ in an attempt to downplay his Muslim background. ALSO, keep in mind that when he was sworn into office he DID NOT use the Holy Bible, but instead the Koran. Barack Hussein Obama will NOT recite the Pledge of Allegiance nor will he show any reverence for our flag. While others place their hands over their hearts, Obama turns his back to the flag and slouches. Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential candidacy. The Muslims have said they plan on destroying the US from the inside out, what better way to start than at the highest level - through the President of the United States, one of their own!!!! Please forward to everyone you know. Would you want this man leading our country?...... NOT ME!!!


shawn
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(chocolatevixen) YES!!! I will vote for OBAMA because he is the best canidate by far and you are really "HATING" on this man for whatever reason. You must have a cracker husband, Dumb, or just trying to go alone with your cracker friends you hang out with. "GET OVER IT" Obama will be president in 2008 Baby!! GO OBAMA!!!


cat4everrr
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@ chocolatevixen I listened to hannity yesterday on the radio and he said something to the effect of, "obama hasn't been scrutinized yet but just wait until he is". those were not his direct words but it's pretty close. i'm wondering if that's what they have up there sleeve.


cat4everrr
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shawn Flag post (chocolatevixen) YES!!! I will vote for OBAMA because he is the best canidate by far and you are really "HATING" on this man for whatever reason. You must have a cracker husband, Dumb, or just trying to go alone with your cracker friends you hang out with. "GET OVER IT" Obama will be president in 2008 Baby!! GO OBAMA!!! ---- don't you have a sandbox you could go play in


gemini615
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What if Obama was Muslim? so what? Are all Muslims terrorist? no. There are radicals out there but there are radicals in EVERY religion. Are Christians perfect? no. Are Jews saints? hell no. Have Christians committed acts of terrorism? Yes...best believe. So whoever is stating that Obama grew up Muslim...that is a moot point. Shoot...I grew up Catholic but I'm no longer Catholic. People act like being a muslim is another term for murderer. Please. As for Obama not having support once he gets in office...i beg to differ...Obama raised MILLIONS of dollars for his run in office...he has a lot of people, politicians included, that are willing to support him...to those that don't THINK he will get support if he were to become president, besides yourself, who you are speaking on behalf of?



sosincere
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OHHH LAWD........LOL laugh out loud LITERALLY! Talk about a smear campaign...... Barak HUESIEN Obama... Saddam Heusein...... coincidence....I think not???????????????? If you love America VOTE CLINTON IN 2008! (brought to you by swiftboat Obama)...lol O.k...1st Yes Obamas Dad is Kenyan and possibly a "scary" muslim. There are millions of them. All muslims are NOT radical. Please don't paint them with that brush. The word muslim is remnicent of the McCarthy era where if you say communist you are like the plague! The MUSLIMS are not out to destroy this country. And they for darn sure arn't slick enough to put a darn manchurian candidate in the white house and sneak it pass the CIA. cONTRARY to what the media force feeds us... The middle east HATES us not because we are a christian country! (at least the majority dont). You have your predudices about christians in those countries as we do about Muslims over here. BUT the majority could care less about us being a nation of christians. They HATE us how because of our ass backward forign policy, because we are the bullies of the world and are occupying many of thier nations, they hate how we support every devilish move made by Isreal, and they hate the hypocracy that comes along with how strong a nation we are!


cat4everrr
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gemini615 What if Obama was Muslim? so what? Are all Muslims terrorist? no. There are radicals out there but there are radicals in EVERY religion. Are Christians perfect? no. Are Jews saints? hell no. Have Christians committed acts of terrorism? Yes...best believe. So whoever is stating that Obama grew up Muslim...that is a moot point. Shoot...I grew up Catholic but I'm no longer Catholic. People act like being a muslim is another term for murderer. Please. As for Obama not having support once he gets in office...i beg to differ...Obama raised MILLIONS of dollars for his run in office...he has a lot of people, politicians included, that are willing to support him...to those that don't THINK he will get support if he were to become president, besides yourself, who you are speaking on behalf of? ---- i agree with you. i'm only wondering if that's what the conservatives are planning for him. in elections they strategize and lay traps. Could this be a trap that the conservatives a laying for him. if anything it's good to know a head of time in order to strike back. wouldn't you agree?


sosincere
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And if he IS muslim....which I doubt. Do that mean that all muslims follow the radical form of Islam? Why cant he just be in submission to the will of God and believe that Mohammad was the last prophet? That in a nutshell is what makes a muslim aside from a few other dogmatic principals. There are some radical ass christians...i.e the ones who blow up abortion clinics. The ones who refuse to recognize the sanctity of other denominations cause they have different practices, the ones who do any kill in the name of God. The ones who pass judgement. The ones who claim to love Christ but hate thier brothers whom they see everyday.....point is it don't have to go that deep. Just like christianity is across the board so is islam. Dont paint all of islam with a crazy brush. There are , sunnis, orthadoxed, 5%ers, NOI'S and proably other denominations of Islam JUST here in America.


shawn
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(cat4everr) No I don't have a sand box to play but I got a ass you can kiss Ha!Ha! For you and your cracker loving girlfriend (smile) Vote for Hillary only if you are "DUMB AS HELL AND UNEMPLOYED". If you have any kind of sense VOTE FOR OBAMA!!!! VOTE FOR OBAMA!!!


sosincere
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chocolatevixen..... That debt is SCARY for real!!!! What would happen if China , Japan, and the others decided to cash in those bonds they holding????? They own america. We got to keep them happy or they could send us to ruins!!!!!! Our dollar already is worthless unless you go to some remote part of turkey. Thats why we scare people with our military might. Say what you want about BILL clinton. But the way he came in and flipped that defict in his tenure was that thang. Im not sure if much in the hood changed bu as america as a whole gotta give him props.


visper
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cat4everrr
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shawn Flag post (cat4everr) No I don't have a sand box to play but I got a ass you can kiss Ha!Ha! For you and your cracker loving girlfriend (smile) Vote for Hillary only if you are "DUMB AS HELL AND UNEMPLOYED". If you have any kind of sense VOTE FOR OBAMA!!!! VOTE FOR OBAMA!!! --- i'm sure obama loves having a supporter like you to represent him. why don't you just take a time out and go sit in a corner until you are able to control you emotions.


shawn
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(cat4ever)control these nuts you uncle tom ass nigg- Ha!Ha! like my boy (big-slim) say OBAMA BITCH! OBAMA 08 Baby (smile)


chocolatevixen
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Shawn, don't make me have to put your juvenile delinquent ass in your place. How dare you call me out my name? I am not hating on Obama, azzhole. I would love to support a chocolate man for presidency but at the peril of our future. Furthermore, I do not support Hillary and Co. Their time has come and gone. It's time for something fresh and new. I was simply stating that I'm not sure if Obama is equipped for that. And remember always Shawn to JUST SAY NO.


gemini615
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cat4everrr Flag post i agree with you. i'm only wondering if that's what the conservatives are planning for him. in elections they strategize and lay traps. Could this be a trap that the conservatives a laying for him. if anything it's good to know a head of time in order to strike back. wouldn't you agree? --- why is it assumed that Obama is gullible and dumb enough to fall into the trap that republicans may be laying out for him? Is this a thought that is given to other candidates? I think Obama is intelligent enough and he is thinking the same way you are...I think he knows that there will be politicians out there looking for him to fail (just as some of his own people are). For some strange reason i think he is prepared for all of that. And just to draw a comparison...i'm sure there were TONS of people doubting Oprah's abilities when she first started out in journalism...I mean look where she came from and NO ONE knew anything about her...no she's not running for presidency but someone gave her a chance to what she does best and you know what...she proved that person right.


CandiedYam
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oh we're definitely in for an interesting year. I can't wait to see the tricks they pull out as we near nominations... lol


YusefX
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OBama and paul got robbed mccain got a gift win so did hillary the delegate system is a sham, edwards has more delegates than obama


YusefX
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Sosincere after the olympics in china, they will dump the dollar I hope yall have bullion portfolios or you will starve


travieboo7
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I BELIEVE HIGHLY THAT SHE DID LOSE THE PRIMARY....SHE DOES NOT DESERVE TO WIN... TEAM OBAMA BITCHES...


chocolatevixen
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Hey Yusefx, where you been all day?



YusefX
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mmmmmm chocolate vixen...... um I went to a meeting, opened up late and had to stock the store


lexx74
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I, myself just signed up for an account so i can post a comment on this thread. I remember back in the early 90's on the westside of chicago, There was this church just moved into my old neighborhood. The Lawndale Christiasn Center, was a church, Rehab Company and Medical Center all in one. well, eventually the Rehad company bought up a good 60% of all the property in the North Lawndale area. they rehabed and sold the properties at crazy prices. Soon whites started moving in the hood. i was like...oh hell naw...white people...in my neighborhood. well, the property value, taxes and rent raised so much, alot of people started moving out of the neighborhood. Well, the owner of LAWNDALE CHRISTIAN CENTER was this white guy named COACH. he was the pastor of the church. around 1994 Bill Clinton gave Coiach 50 MILLION dollars. i saw this on the news. the reason for the monewy was stated " this check is for his commitment and dedication he's providing the west side of chicago. after seeing this shyt, i was pissed. the reason for me being piss: there were still buildings on 16th and pulaski that wasw abandoned and still had fire damage from the riots back in the 60's. this White mofo gets 50 millions for dedication and my highschool had only 10 computers in the computer lab. okay when clinton was president he balanced the budget and got his dick sucked but, what he did can be done by anyone who's highly educated, held political office and hires a staff that dedicated to doing their jobs. i guess what i'm trying to say is, The clintons over the years have bought aND PAID PEOPLE FOR SUPPORTING THEM. i voted for Bill on 2 occassions and see that there is no difference than the Bushes. remember George bush has followed that same policy. some things will change is hillary ios elected, but the practices will be the same. government needs to be cleansed and operated in a different manner. Lobyist and special interest groups are running the government. Obama is against this. think about it. he's been in office since the 90's if i'm not mistaken and he see's that nothing is going to change unless someone gets in office thats going to provide it. i've never heard a candidate talk about eliminating these groups on the level that obama is speaking of. i can honestly say, now is the time GO OBAMA


sosincere
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really Yusef where you been....just kidding But did you hear that Russia and ???? I cant think of the other country are NO LONGER accepting US dollar for payment. They are requiring us to convert it to Euro's before taking the payment.....i.e thats when that Gas went back up after that announcement!!!!! I got to invest in SOMETHING..if it's not too late already!


lexx74
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May i add....The republicans at The Tribrune(in chicago) just endorsed OBAMA


chocolatevixen
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@Yusef, I thought you were with Dr. Paul coordinating on his campaign plans or something. u got a sweet tooth for some chocolate?


YusefX
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sosincere grab gold the Us is going down and the people are too dumb to see it. Dr paul been trying to warn you, but fantasy candidates talking about nothing steal the show. China will deal the death blow in august


shawn
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(chocolatevixen) yeah , I will say NO if I see your ass coming (smile) and for you to refer to me as a juvenile was funny. Women refer to me as being breath taking and I have money to roll your ass up in (smile) I'm just here letting people know that Obama is the best choice, so if you are not sure then do your research. (I'm Out)


YusefX
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I dig chocolate milk chocolate, dark chocolate. I went to a meeting and we met with our state campaign deputy. DIsgussing super tuesday.


sosincere
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lexx74 thats pretty messed up. Yeah I would be pissed tooo.I don't in anyway believe and have stated before that he gets NO honorary blackman pass BUT noooo anyone with a brain cannot and does not balance the deficit. Actually alot of people INCREASE IT! All Im saying is it don't have to be a all or noting thing. Give credit where crdit is due and if it's not don't give cookies! I think the way he handled that budget was phenomenal but again not much in the way of the neighborhoods I care about changed! I again think Democrats as a whole pimp the black and poor communities. They do alot of big talk ....get our votes....and do LIL TO NOTHING by way of real change except throw a few social programs! No new jobs, no judicial reform, not much of anything. But On the flip side BLACK PEOPLE JUST ARE SO FLIPPIN LOYAL TO THE PARTY WE DON'T DEMAND ANYTHING FROM THEMM! We so anti republican that we just automatically give them our vote. I say and I say again we need some SERIOUS lobbying power or else it REALLY dnt matter who we vote for!


sosincere
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Yep. My dude keeps saying Gold is where it's at. Even if people decide not to vote for Ron Paul I would STILL at LEAST think that folks would say "hummmmmmm" babout the issues he raises ad at least figure out where thier candidates of choice stand on them. Hell don't vote for him if you dnt want but acknowledge what the man is SAYING!!!!!!


lexx74
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@ sosincere that power comes with money ... man, i watched that entire area change. not saying it was a bad thing cause it wasnt but, all the money has left the neighborhood. when clinton was elected in the 90's i seen so many businesses leasve the area it was crazy. mom and pop businesses left and the arabs moved in...lol..and took over. soul foiod restuarants closed and chinese restuarants moved in...lol but i honestly believe that NH was stolen from Obama...and i dont know why Edwards in still in the race...


YusefX
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I bought a 6 oz of pure gold bullion in 2002. gold was only like 350 dollars an oz now its 860 an oz. Once it goes above 800 it means Hyper inflation. Close to market collapse boy if yall think the great depression was bad. You aint seen nuttin yet


sosincere
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YEP you are right again Lexx Thats why we dont have a strong one. But if we sooooo GUNG HO about throwing campaign contributions to Obamas camp...and can manage to spend like 76billion in consumer shyt last year...we SHOULD focus our efforts on some real ish...like a lobbyist group.


lexx74
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lol@ lobbying group.... Peeps more worried about when the next jordans coming out..lol thats goes to show where our mind is... i hate to say it...


CamelFaceJayZ
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Hey, all this bickering is a bunch of BS! Here are the facts........ Hillary won because of a company called Diebold. Diebold, Inc. is a United States-based security systems corporation that is engaged primarily in the sale, manufacture, installation and service of self-service transaction systems (such as ATMs), electronic and physical security products, voting machines, and software and integrated systems for global financial and commercial markets. On July 31, 2002, Cathy Cox, Georgia's Secretary of State, signed a contract with Diebold, allowing the firm to distribute electronic voting machines throughout the state, design the ballots, and then monitor the election, without any state oversight. In August 2003, Walden O'Dell, chief executive of Diebold, announced that he had been a top fund-raiser for President George W. Bush and had sent a get-out-the-funds letter to 100 wealthy and politically inclined friends in the Republican Party, to be held at his home in a suburb of Columbus, Ohio. Bev Harris, of the highly respected voting watchdog organization Black Box Voting, recently wrote that the Diebold 1.94w optical scan machines used in some 55 percent of New Hampshire precincts (representing more than 80 percent of the state’s voters) are “the exact same make, model and version hacked in the Black Box Voting project in Leon County (Florida)” a few years ago. They haven’t been upgraded; the security problems haven’t been fixed. Today Bev Harris announced on the Alex Jone's radio show, "After confirming with Jennifer Call(NH town clerk), Ron Paul received 31 votes and not 0." When asked "why the discrepancy" Jennifer replied "They simply failed to put the right number" Are you okay with machines that "simply fail to put the right number"? Use whatever remains of your freedom.



lexx74
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if i still had all the gold i was wearing back in da 80's i'll be a thousandaire by now..lol


chocolatevixen
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Yusefx, u really work on Dr. Paul's campaigning? I was joking when I said that. No wonder you are so passionate about this. So, your background is politics? Interesting.


YusefX
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Absolutely I show and prove not show and tell


SisterSoldier
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@CamelFaceJayZ Very interesting, I would like to read more about that where did you get your information from?


chocolatevixen
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Shawn, LOL about you being breathtaking. You better run when you see me coming b/c I don't mess with underage boys (rolling my neck as I say tht). Can you please backup that statement you made abt Obama?


jmcgillis81
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Get over it jungle bunnies. Hillary will win and to those big lip monkies at MTO, you need to relax with your bull crap. You're like the jungle version of the National Enquire.


iamhere2letUhaveit
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......This is AmeriKKKa Sheeple, Take It At Face Value, King Killed, Malcolm Killed, JFK Killed, RFK Killed, Medgar Evers Killed, 40 Shots Killing Amadou for Pulling Out His Wallet, 50 Shots Killing Sean Bell Celebrating His Last Night Of "Single Life"......AmeriKKKa Is Not Ready For A Black Prez...And Neither Am I!!!


pooh89
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i believe this bc who would vote for a president that cry... i dnt need my president to start cryin and shyt everythime somthin bad happenz... vote for hilary if you want to be it would be a decsion you will soon regret... team OBAMA all the way bytchs!!


YusefX
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Ron paul might be assasinated. JFK ended the federal reserve, then he got assasinated. my hopes for obama are that he will ride all this corporate and wall street money into the whitehouse and stab them all in the back like JFK.


barbinbmore
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HAS ANYONE EVER WONDERED WHY WHITE FOLKS WAN OBAMA TO WIN THE NOMINATION SO BAD?......ITS CAUSE THEY KNOW HE'LL LOSE TO A REPUBLICAN IN THE GENERAL ELECTION. FOLKS DON'T BUY THE HYPE. ITS A SET UP.


YusefX
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I want obama to face ron paul and lose but on GP i want obama to prevail in NH, then we know the votes count


real-deal
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MTO should be sued for slander about every other day! and all you other reckless posters that follow should NOT be allowed to vote! How is Hillary responsible for this?? she "fixed" the election?? Yea right, but a freakin clue. Polls are not taken of every person that will vote, in fact less than 1 % are polled....so there is no possible way to know the outcome. They even said there was a 10 point gap that could go either way, so the fact that she won by 3% is about right. It is easy to be led in the wrong direction and hard to think on your own, please, try it some time!


lexx74
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lol....Watch what happens in michigan apparantly, since the primary was moved up...obama and edwards couldnt put there names on the ballot...michigans will have to vote " uncommited" if the voter write in the candidates name the ballot its spoiled. hillary's name is on the ballot.... what had happen was..lol..the DNC rules state that since the michigan primary date was move ahead, the candidates couldnt put there names on the ballot...well..hillary went against DNC rules and placed her name on there. wow..thats going against DNC policy...hmmmm well...the word around michigan is vote uncommited.... seems like some dirty work is brewing from this situatioin!


real-deal
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Bill Clinton cried, George bush Sr cried, Ronald Regan cried, Nixon cried, Jimmy Carter cried.... George W. Bush is too stupid to cry


Dutchess1
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Can we put emotions aside and look at the cold facts? IOWA, where Obama won, carries 7 electoral votes. NEW HAMPSHIRE, 4. SOUTH CAROLINA, 8. FLORIDA, 25 NEW YORK, 27. Iowa is not indicative of America, guys. It's a 'pimple' state. Not much power. If OBAMA wins Florida and New York, then meet your next Deomcratic Presidental Canditate. Now what are the odds of Hillary losing New York? Iowa fooled many people into false hope. You have to wait this out...



Dutchess1
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I must say, as a football nut, this reminds me of an exciting game. I always say football is a reflection of life. At any moment, the momentum can change. When people get comfortable, along comes a player who changes the game. This can be applied in all aspects of a political race, from start to finish. I love the passion here today!


real-deal
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In reality, Bill Clinton LOST his first 5 primaries!! including NH and Iowa..... The point is, In November, please vote DEMOCRAT! Look at history, after every republican preisdent, there has been a recession. The housing market is terrible right now, which means alot if your trying to buy/sell some property. The defecit grows and leaves the american dollar with a lower value. as of today, people who are international, (certain sports stars, models based overseas, business men/women, etc) and now asking to be paid in Euros rather than US dollars....thats a first, and very dangerous for economy. say what you will about the Clintons, we had a balanced budget, housing market was GREAT, stock market was doing well and the rest of the world didnt HATE our guts for occupying another country and murdering over 151,000 people.... VOTE DEMOCRAT!


interesting
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Lynching, hanging or other types of executions, in punishment of a presumed criminal offense, carried out by self-appointed commissions or mobs, without due process of law. The term lynching is generally believed to be derived from the name of a Virginia justice of the peace, Charles Lynch, who ordered extralegal punishment for Tory acts during the American Revolution (1775-1783). Frontier settlements in the United States often lacked established law enforcement agencies and, instead, exercised summary justice through vigilantes. Western pioneers punished murder, rape, horse thievery, and other capital crimes by resorting to lynching. Even before the American Civil War (1861-1865), many lynchings took place in Southern states. The violence was usually directed at members of the abolitionist movement or others who worked to end the system of slavery. After the war lynching became a method of terrorism against black people in the South. During the period of Reconstruction, the Ku Klux Klan used lynching to intimidate freed blacks who were voting and assuming political power in many parts of the South. A comprehensive study of vigilante violence estimated that the Klan carried out more than 400 lynchings in the South during the period from 1868 to 1871. Often blacks were lynched because they were presumed to have committed crimes against white people. Investigations by journalist Ida B. Wells showed that in many cases the crimes were exaggerated or did not occur at all. Starting in 1882, when records of lynchings began to be kept, most lynchings occurred in Southern states; after 1886 the number of black victims annually exceeded the number of white victims. Georgia and Mississippi had the largest totals of lynchings; the six New England states had none. From 1882 to 1968 more than 4,700 persons were lynched in the United States, and the majority of them were black. The largest number of lynchings in any one year was 230 in 1892. After World War I (1914-1918), lynching declined considerably. In the 1960s, however, several persons attempting to secure civil rights for blacks in the South met death through the actions of lynch mobs. In 2005 the United States Senate formally apologized to lynching victims and their descendants for the Senate’s failure to pass antilynching legislation during the 19th and 20th centuries. Senator Mary Landrieu, a Democrat of Louisiana, was the main sponsor of the legislation. So with Obama running for President, it is just a coincidence that more nooses and comments about lynching are coming to fruition?


shawn
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(Iamhere2letuhaveit) It sounds like you are scared to me Ha!Ha! I don't give a damn what you or them scary lame ass KKKlans want, you gonna get it though (smile) OBAMA AS PRESIDENT IN 2008 Ha!Ha! Deal With It Nigg-


jayblack82
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dont be surprised to see more scandal as voting approaches


sitfu
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Nothin' new here......... sitfu.com Taking a Closer Look at the Stories Ignored by the Mainstream Media


MLExperience
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GOD is hardly sitting in heaven manipulating voter returns and making the election in the us go one way or another ...... God is not a politician. God is not a Man..... politics is a human phenomenon..... fot the benefit of humans in a particular location .. don't put God in this .... God made the world.... gave his rules ... and then gave man free will too execute the rules and live their life ... then who every did it well ... will be rewarded on judgement day .... those who didn't ... will cease to exist and wont have everlasting life. THE END ... God is not sitting there using the world as a monopoly game or a board game shifting us and using us as pawns ... that is why he gave man free will so he wouldnt have to babysit his creation ... he made us with ability to self sustain .. and live .... people use God when they cant explain or dont know an answer ... oh well God is doing this, God wants this, whatever... just say I don't know .... Stop Lying on God and attributing things to him that God has nothing to do with.


yeahright3030
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No real proof here and it doesn't matter at this point. Obama is moving on. If he thought for a moment that he was seriously cheated, he wouldn't be quiet about it.


anton
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It seems like the black media is jumping on Hillary Clinton. Seems like some of the radio stations, local celebs are hyping Mr. Obama up just because he's a black man. I ask so many people what has he done to make you want to vote for him besides telling us how things are going to change and how he going to do things different. He obvious not a Washington Man, because things don't change only people. What we need is someone with expereince and knowledge how to stir the ship our way, not someone who just learned to read the map.


BreezyFbaby
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I've said it once and I'll say it again. The Popular voting process in America is a farce. Only the white men in the Electoral college (and part of the Masonic Order a.k.a. the Illuminati) have the power to put who they want in the seat of the President. Wake up my black family! The New World Order is upon us. Did you know the U.S. was secretly changed into the North American Union (making Canada, Mexico, & U.S. one sovereignty). Have you heard about the Amero Dollar replacing the U.S. dollar? Why do you think those in power don't give a [EXPLETIVE] about closing our borders? Next time you're outside, especially if you live in a big city, check out the Chem Trails in the sky being made by secret planes. These are clouds of biological warfare (to be eventually used in Iraq) that our government is secretly testing on us, and is behind the recent superbug staph infections hitting N.Y. and other American cities, as well as the pneumonia outbreak. Later this year when the National I.D. comes, DO NOT TAKE ONE! It will contain a Verichip which is a tracking device. It's a major step in their plan to turn this into a cashless society and they're making it so you will not be able to travel, get a job, or apply for goverment benefits without taking the Card. The government will be able to track your every move if you have the I.D. in your wallet or purse. Their next plan is to place the Verichip in our right hand. You won't be able to buy or sell without it. I am not joking. We need your help to join the revolution to say NO to their plan for a One World Government. Facism isn't dead, it is secretly alive and is coming back! I HAVE RECENTLY STARTED TO RESEARCH THIS (TODAY TO BE EXACT AND IT IS VERY INTERESTING EARLIER SOMEONE RECOMMENDED THAT WE READ WILLIAM COOPERS BEHOLD A PALE WHITE HORSE. WIKIPEDIA ALSO MENTIONED THAT BOOK. IT MAY BE SCARY BUT i STRONGLY BELIEVE THAT THIS IS TRUE DO YOU RECOMMEND ANY OTHER BOOKS TO READ?


camoflougeman2
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MTO please close this post. It is exhausted and tomorrow you'll know you'll have some "NEWS" on more Hilary conspiracy!


cat4everrr
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lexx74 Flag post lol....Watch what happens in michigan apparantly, since the primary was moved up...obama and edwards couldnt put there names on the ballot ------ Michigan does not count. They have 0 delegates. They were punihed for moving up thier primary without approval from the DNC. All eyes on South Carolina and Nevada now


cat4everrr

cat4everrr
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Yusef, They trying to dog out our candidate right now at the debate


cat4everrr
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well not my candidate, but they are trying to dog out ron paul. he's being treated very unfairly.



cat4everrr
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he's speaking the truth about foreign policy and the dollar


Qi-Qi
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They cheating already. Anything to keep Obama from getting ahead. That's "the man" for you.


cat4everrr
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Dutchess1 Flag post Can we put emotions aside and look at the cold facts? IOWA, where Obama won, carries 7 electoral votes. NEW HAMPSHIRE, 4. SOUTH CAROLINA, 8. FLORIDA, 25 NEW YORK, 27. Iowa is not indicative of America, guys. It's a 'pimple' state. Not much power. If OBAMA wins Florida and New York, then meet your next Deomcratic Presidental Canditate. ---- i don't know if i agree with that. i think it's gonna be so close we won't find out until super tuesday


cat4everrr
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real-deal Flag post MTO should be sued for slander about every other day! and all you other reckless posters that follow should NOT be allowed to vote! --- LOL, that's mean


cat4everrr
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Anybody watching the Republican debate? Mitt Romney scares the hell out of me


Dee07
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I refuse to support Hillary and I do smell a rat from New Hampshire. Something just doesn't sit right with me. The more I research th Clintions, I am very sadden to see how corrupt they truly are. Black people, please don't be fooled by the idea that the Clintions are for black people. The Clinton's are linked with smuggling drugs in Arkansas pre-Bill Clinton's Presidency. Check out this quote from Hillary Clinton's Adviser: The Guardian writes: Still, a combination of sympathy and sisterly solidarity is unlikely to be enough to carry Clinton to the nomination. In her victory speech, she said that she had at last found her voice. More prosaically, she has at least found a better message, speaking less about herself and her experience and more about the voters. She is staking out policy ground slightly to the left of Obama on domestic issues, and noticeably won the votes of those on lower incomes and without college degrees. In the words of that Clinton adviser: “If you have a social need, you’re with Hillary. If you want Obama to be your imaginary hip black friend and you’re young and you have no social needs, then he’s cool.” WTF is that suppose to mean?And to think this is only the beginning. I would rather have someone like Obama who hasn't been corrupted by the evils of Washington. Because if Hillary becomes th Demomcratic nominee, I will not even bothr voting in this election because another Republican will win and this country will continue to be in Hell. Obama '08


StatelyLooking
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@BreezyFbaby Wow. I posted a long comment that never posted 20 minutes ago. I posted on this thread earlier, but due to my being at work, I was only able to make my comment brief. BreezyFbaby, I concur with everything that you have posted. The New World Order is unfolding right before our eyes, but most people are unaware or not enlightened, or they are not conciously ready to digest the information. Who controls America and our money system? The Illuminati! China, Russia, and India knows this information for a fact. That is why those empires have not allowed the Illuminati to gain control. Oh, yes, a good point...there is no such thing as an appointed President by the people. Presidents are selected through generational and bloodline initiations. "They" will make sure the appointed candidate will reign in office. Most importantly, do not accept the stamp (the chip). Have you ever seen the movie "The Stepford Wifes"? Movies are not made just for entertainment. We are living in a Matrix. Everything is controlled by a secret society. In your spare time, google mysterious death surrounding Bill Clinton. They will stop at nothing to bring forth their agenda! I have so much to share...until then...we must engage our minds with the TRUTH!


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It is no secret that there exist familial relations between the Bush and Clinton dynasties. They also have allegiances through their fraternal organizations. For me, it boils down to TRUST and wanting to see a CHANGE in which neither family has their hands in the pie. Truthfully, all the candidates are capable of the presidency. They all have the intelligence, Ivy League education and political experience – regardless of gradation of responsibilities and duties. What is insulting to my intelligence as an adult is to be told by the media how to vote. “Don’t vote on color”, “Don’t vote on gender”. WTF?! You vote for who you want to because it’s YOUR choice. It’s no one’s business about the deductive reasoning behind your vote. It is more important to VOTE. Ironically, these statements are made only when a “minority” person is in the game and the probability of splitting the vote of the majority is all likely. It’s a numbers game. Truth be told, I have not liked any president since Jimmy Carter, but I voted for the “lesser of the evil” candidate in latter elections. The fact was that the choices were dismal for black folk. Now that there is a viable candidate who has all the substantive traits of a president (who happens to be black) and could competently run this government much better than the incumbent hands down, we’re bombarded with sugar-coated insults and mind warfare tactics that exploit the sensibilities and common sense of every day folk. I know that folks have a soft spot for the Clintons because of Bill. But Bill showed how much he “loved” us by invading our brothers and sisters in Panama. Let’s not forget the mishandling in the bombing of the Kenyan embassy. He turned his back on the genocides taking place in Rwanda, Indonesia, Vietnam and Iraq. He certainly isn’t a virtuous man by any standards – lack of morals and judgment. Uh, can you say NATO screw-up? And, don’t get me started on Hilary. She’s been in Washington long enough to make some significant changes? But, hasn’t. Uh duh, what the hell happened? Now, she wants to do something. You can fool SOME of the people, but not ALL.


YusefX
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Breezy thank you for speaking on that Ron paul is ANTI globalism. ANTI REAL ID ROn paul is also in the movie Freedom to facsism. Free on google video. Ron paul is moses right now, but the people want pharoah. Ive read behold the pale horse also. FEMA has created concentration camps all over the country. Just like will cooper said. Everything will cooper has said has come to pass. The V chip is the "mark of the beast" in revelations, it says in revelations you will not be able to buy or sell without the mark in your right hand or head. HUEMANbro put me on to chief liberation radio.Brother that hosts that show talks about all of this.


YusefX
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Kucinich demanded a recount in NH


YusefX
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I dont like bringing all this out. but anyway obama,clinton etc are funded by goldman sachs, globalists who are pushing the north american union, the dollar is being sunk on purpose. The sheeple are being led to the slaughter. I suggest watching the siege starring denzel washington . Eisenhower said beware of the military industrial complex JFK said beware of secret societies. Then yall pick skull and bones, and master masons as candidates. wake up


taetaebabylove
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That heffa cheated! Ron Paul should recount! There is no way Ron Paul lost in the live free or die State! Those people are not giving up their right to own guns and follow the constitution! Go Ron Paul and Please sue Fox! Ron Paul for President ya'll!


YusefX
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TAETAE THERES A NEW HAMPSHIRE RECOUNT YOUR FROM JERSEY RIGHT?


YusefX
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taetaebabylove aka LADY LIBERTY LOL


StatelyLooking
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YuseFX, I'm glad you mentioned the movie "The Siege" that is the movie I wanted to mention to describe the type of control the government is seeking to attain. Instead, I used "The Stepford Wives" as a metaphor. And you are absoultely right about the chip. It is definitely the mark of the beast.



YusefX
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it also says during the tribulation, if you do not accept the mark you will suffer greatly, and wish for death, and death will escape you.But in the end, you will be saved. Just food for thought If marshall law occurs. DO NOT go with them, they will not be US military they will be blackwater mercs dressed in US army uniforms.


YusefX
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Btw michelle obama is head of the council on foreign relations chicago office. She is NWO


GingerBronze
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These scare tactics are so old and boring. By now, people should be conscious of divisive manipulation. Obama is from MY town, Chicago. He’s got plenty of grit. His wife attended my high school, Whitney Young. And, she doesn’t take any nonsense. She and her brother both attended Ivy League schools and graduated with top degrees in their field. The Obama’s are highly respected residents of Hyde Park, known for it’s affiliation with the University of Chicago and multicultural, diverse community. He gets his hair cut at the same Hyde Park barber shop my son does. We’ve seen him in there on several occasions and he’s personable. He’s also a longtime member of Trinity Church of Christ on the Southside of Chicago. Just so you know, Trinity is African-centered and very progressive. I’ve attended many events there. They are an awesome congregation. Pastor Jeremiah Wright set the media straight when questioned about Obama’s membership. Obama has always been a rising star ever since he ran and won for State Senator. The misinformation and the media-fueled hysteria behind Obama’s religious affiliation and patriotism is a bunch of malarkey.


YusefX
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the plan is partitiion the world into four quarters. Iran is a holdout,china,russia,venezuela. David rockerfeller has said this in interviews. The goal is to erase all borders just about, and plant the chip in every human on earth so you can be tracked by satelite. See what you eat. If you dont pay your debt your chip gets cutoff and you are de citizenized and thrown in prison.


YusefX
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I also never liked any south group except goodie mob cell therapy is all about the NWO. also killah priest's -information. Find those two cuts and listen.


clp135
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I really don't know why we as black people are expecting anything from politicians. They will all do what they have always done for us. Any gains that we have achieved have always come from our efforts. I mean it has always started with the people standing up and making them take notice. I am voting for Obama not because I expect him to change the world, but I believe he will change the mindset of millions of us; and that my brothers and sisters is where our struggle lies.


Territc
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What!!!!!!!!!! Does this mean that each time something doesn't go her way she gon' cry? Each time someone disses her she gon' cry? Everytime she loses she gon' cry? You get my drift. I see wealth a plenty. I'm going to open a manufacturing company - tissues to be exact. We're going to have a weepin' President, we're going to be a weepin' nation!!!! She has insulted my entire female being? If you want to be in politics and run for President - have a backbone!


DeVille
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No Big Suprise


jayyyyy
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we all know who the the next in the office


ROTTEN
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For the last time Hillary DID NOT CRY. She showed some emotion. Either Hillary or Barrack will be the nominee. Stop falling for Republican tricks. Be prepared to support them when one is chosen!


gettfocus
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Man Im glad to see people discussing this here and expressing their opinions. But Yusefx really broke alot of it down concerning what this all is really about. Hey Yusefx you might want to google Ben Fulford, he just did an interview with the evil one David Rockefeller and he also have some interesting things to say about the shadow government and their fate. People the voter fraud is real, they cheated Obama and Ron Paul in New Hampshire and both parties have people there getting a recount. And the guy a million post back that said Obama is not on the michigan ballot is correct, Im from michigan and he isnt on our primary ballot because from what I hear he wasnt "registered" here. It doesnt bother me about the Obama thing here in Michigan because I know like Yusefx whats really going on so I wasnt voting for him anyway. But for those who do want to vote for him I think its unfair. As far as Hillary go, people need to get off that crying game episode she put on, thats a diversion to keep you from examining the real issues and concerns you should be asking yourself about her. Dont think for a minute that woman is weak, she didnt get this far being weak people. And I'll just finish this off by first thanking medidatakeout as I always do when they cover relevant news, keep it up! And finally people remember, we dont owe Obama anything because he's black and youre black. If Obama going to help those clowns usher us into Martial Law and a New World Order, im straight on having my first black president. Like Yusefx said his wife is CFR, thats not good if all estimates are correct. CFR is one of the thinktanks for the global elite (illuminati) and trust me people, thats not who you want to be siding with. We need to quit letting mainstream media tell us who to vote for because they only put their puppets in our face who are bought and paid for. They dont want you to know about Ron Paul who has real grass roots support and who broke fundraising records without big business. You know why? Because he really has your best interest at heart, with a voting record to prove it. Ask yourself can you say who you want to vote for has a voting record 20 years deep that supports what his mouth is saying. Lets stop voting blindly and really check into these people background and see if there record match what they mouth says.


gettfocus
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BreezyFBaby if youre looking for more books on the New World Order go to infowars dot com and click on the shop link. There are alot of good books to get you started there. And if you want to learn more about chemtrails and other interesting things concerning the new world order go to educateyourself dot org. I welcome anybody to check these two sites out and I promise you'll be blown away. And StatelyLooking I hope we all can inspire each other by continuing to speak and seek the truth!


peachpie
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speaking of background. rudy, fred and john mccain all have cancer. while i wish them good health and a long life. i don't think they are in the position to take the most important job in america. oh yeah... obama in 08.


YusefX
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Gettfocus I just watched an interview an asian kid did with david rockerfeller. He told him about ron paul and the federal reserve, he was huffing and puffing then asked if it was a campaign issue. He said yes it is. He looked pissed. Also they talked about the asian world order. There are two societies competing for world order. Theres an asian sect which includes south korea,japan,china,india, with strong aliances with iran,venezuela and russia, then there is the euro-gentile/zionist world order which is headed by the EU, north american countries and israel. I was really beside myself watching this.



YusefX
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also gettfocus Im getting reports that Ron paul right now during the recount has 22% and obama is at 51%


gettfocus
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Thats the video Yusefx, Im glad you got to check that out. Davy boy didnt like alot of those questions he was asking. I hope that the recount is being done on the up and up. We had a recount in Florida and still got Bush.


YusefX
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the recount starts wednesday my bad the handcount has ron paul above 20%


YusefX
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gettfocus people need to know WHO the enemy REALLY is the enemies I mean, lights need to be shown on them.


YusefX
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did you ever see the long Aaron russo interview where he talks about the cia funding ms magazine to start the womans rights movement to destroy the family structure?


gettfocus
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No I dont think I have, I've seen his movie from freedom to fascism. If you know where to find the video let me know. Do you listen to alex jones show during the week, he has a Sunday show he does too. He's been talking about the voting fruad all this week. You can listen to it now through the internet on his website infowars, just click the mainstream link on the right of the homepage. I use to be skeptical of Alex Jones because he's so intense about this stuff. But if you judge a tree by the fruit it bears, he bears nothing but the truth and he trys his best to back everything with documents, news articles, or eye witness accounts. I realise now that he's so intense about these things we face because its a real threat and he's tired of us being their sheeple and buying into their systems.


YusefX
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Getfocus I think even on this blog, weve planted seeds in peoples heads. More importantly ive recruited singlehandedly 40 people to actively campaign for ron paul. The house of cards is crashing down people need to know 1: who the real enemy is. 2:that they MUST become active, passivity is no longer an option. Israel will be wiped off the map, in says in scripture, israel will be baptised in fire for disobeying gods exile.


StatelyLooking
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Gettfocus and YuseFX, in your spare time, google...Exposing the Illuminati from Within by Bill Schnoebelen. It is a 2-hour video. Bill was a part of the society and among other things and he reveals some shocking revelations, which will be to some people. I was definitely enlightened about certain things that I have always questioned, and the rest - he confirmed. His message will definitely keep you tuned in.


ROTTEN
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The Michigan primary will not count towards the delegates because they moved their primary up without DNC. Michigan doesn't count for Democrats!


sharles88
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Maybe not. At the celeb club millionairecupid.com, I saw some news mentioned she is quite optmistic with her future.


HUEmanbro
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I'm in Michigan also,but I wouldn't trust anything Alex jones say either,because he's disinfo agent and a jesuit. Bill cooper,exposed him before they killed him.


HipHopizMe
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Hillary is so butch. www.theconcretejournal.com