: This Obama election has really brought out the haters - but this is off the chains!!! MediaTakeOut.com has learned that Clarence Thomas has petitioned his fellow Supreme Court judges to look into Obama's citizenship before the court certifies his election.
BTW ... this has NEVER been done in the history of the United States - nuts ain't it!!!
Here's how the website Afro.com is reporting it:
In a highly unusual move, U.S. Associate Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas has asked his colleagues on the court to consider the request of an East Brunswick, N.J. attorney who has filed a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama’s status as a United States citizen.We knew Clarence was an Uncle Tom ... but this takes his Tom-foolery to another level!!!Thomas’s action took place after Justice David Souter had rejected a petition known as an application for a stay of writ of certiorari that asked the court to prevent the meeting of the Electoral College on Dec. 15, which will certify Obama as the 44th president of the United States and its first African-American president.
Clarence Thomas is a disgrace to the african american culture. He makes me so *** sick. When that idiot said he didn't get into college based on affirmative action I thought I had heard it all but that took the cake. This man is in serious denial of the struggles of black folks. I am not saying what has been done to us to use a crutch but he wants to wipe out our entire history. They can't find anything on him so they coming out the woodwork with foolishness if that is the case they need to check the naturalization of all those in office now.
You guys need to read up on how the Supreme Court works and stop believing any and everything you read......................The request made it to the supreme court, the only way to ensure that it never comes up again would be that all the Supreme Court Justices vote on it. If he rejects it, solely, it can come up again. This way it will never come up again because the highest court as ruled that it has no grounds.
Rawbreed,
We all have people in our families who we often scratch our heads and think, "what's the matter with him." I applaud you for sharing this with us.
I also agree we *** wish death upon anyone. How "small" of PhillyFresh to have said that! Chalk that comment up to a lack of maturity. Have a good day.
MAN I KNEW HE WAS A UNCLE TOM BUT YEA THIS *** *** HAD LOST HIS *** MIND! HE WANTS TO BE THE ONLY TOP DOG I SEE! HE NEEDS TO GET HIS OLD RUN DOWN FREAKY DESIREE LOVIN AZZ OUT OF HERE! YEAH THOMAS WE REMEMBER THE DESIREE INCIDENT YEARS AGO! FILTHY OLD MAN! I NEVER LIKE HIM AND NEVER WILL! WE NEED TO UPLIFT EACH OTHER UP! BUT INSTEAD HE IS TRYIN TO BRING OBAMA DOWN!SOMEBODY NEEDS TO SLAP HIM FOR THIS ***! A RIGHT BACK HAND SLAP!
YOU KNOW HOW SOME PEOPLE SAY THEY WERE BORN IN THE WRONG BODY...
WELL, THIS FOOL HATE HIMSELF, BEING BLACK SO MUCH, IT'S SHAMEFUL!!!!
LISTEN UP CLARENCE, DON'T CARE HOW MUCH $$ OR EDU. YOU GOT... THEY STILL GONNA FOLLOW YOUR BLACK AS* AROUND THE STORES WHEN YOU TRYING TO DO YOUR XMAS SHOPPING!!
IT'S THE 21ST CENTURY WE GOTS TO STICK TOGETHER, NOW!!!!
It would be a Black Man to lead the Hate Brigade!!!
Why do I feel Jesse Jackson is going to be mixed in with this somewhere...
It's Jealousy. Crabs in a Barrel Syndrome. They have been trying their WHOLE LIVES to be prominent in the BLACK HISTORY BOOKS and Barack comes out of the blue and TRUMPS them ALL. They can't STAND that.
It's a shame because Barack could really use Black leaders in his corner right now. This is a *** shame.
They better prepare for a FIGHT because Obama's supporters are NOT going to let this slide so easy...believe that!!
A bunch of illiterates all of you!
Why don't you go pick up a book and read?
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There! That link should explain that this is all no big deal. This is how the court works. There was no "petition" by Clarence Thomas, it is a petition by the plaintiff. Every Justice has a jurisdiction that they are responsible for. This fell under his responsibility.
Besides, what are you all afraid of?
If Obama is not a citizen (and he is) then he should not be President.
Clarence Thomas is far more intelligent that Barack Obama, and anyone who does not have to sit and receive their opinions from Cornell West like a welfare check would know this.
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I HAVE SEEN MORE BLACK PEOPLE COME OUT AGAINST BARACK OBAMA THAN WHITE FOLKS AND THAT IS REALLY SAD TO SAY...APPARENTLY HE IS A GOOD MAN IF THATS ALL YOU HAVE TO COME OUT WITH ON HIM. ESPECIALLY BEING AFRICAN AMERICAN HE SHOULD KNOW HOW HARD IT IS FOR BLACK PEOPLE...I GUESS THAT SAYING IS STILL TRUE TODAY..."WE ARE OUR OWN WORSE ENEMY!!!
u know what else is so stupid is that he "forces" the supreme court to take up issue of obama's citizenship but obama was born in hawaii! isn't hawaii 1 one of the 50 states? oh but wait mccain was born in panama BUT NO ONE WANTS TO TAKE UP ISSUE ON HIS CITIZENSHIP THOUGH!!! its alwayz ur own ppl that wanna take u down instead of bring u up, man this *** has got to stop!!!
What I find amazing is the fact that He made the ascention to the white house and up to this point no one challenged nothing! Who in their right mind would even let him get as far as he is if there was a problem with his citizenship?? I swear america is full of backward thinking, racist/prejudice individuals that always try to hide behind politics and laws in a attempt to unseat anyone they see as unfit according to there own agenda!
What's discrasful is that MTO didn't explain the whole story. There's alot I don't lke about him, but ths isn't it. He did this so Denofrio's case could get rejected by all the justices could deny this guy at once so he could'nt bring this back up again at a later time.
Learn about the judicial system before you hating a man for no reason. Justice Thomas knows what he's doing. He is proud of Obama and no "hating" at all.
MTO needs to put out he whole story but even morethan that, we can't take everything on this site as true.
This election system is so flawed. You have the elcetion, the people vote, the popular votes are counted (don't even get me started on the electoral college ***), the results are announced, and the President is officially elected. And then the Supreme Court has to meet a month later to certify the election? What kind of mess is this? What's the point of President-Elects going through the process of picking people for cabinet positions if you still have to wait to see if the Supreme Court justices don't have an axe to grind?
mark1212 said,
What's discrasful is that MTO didn't explain the whole story. There's alot I don't lke about him, but ths isn't it. He did this so Denofrio's case could get rejected by all the justices could deny this guy at once so he could'nt bring this back up again at a later time.
Learn about the judicial system before you hating a man for no reason. Justice Thomas knows what he's doing. He is proud of Obama and no "hating" at all.
MTO needs to put out he whole story but even morethan that, we can't take everything on this site as true. -----------------------------------
Too late! The herd is stampeding. The sheep are obeying. Quick! Do what you are told! Books are for White people! Here is what you will be allowed to think!
I expected this from white people, but when one of your own is hating on you and not wanting you to succeed is another story. Clarence is jealous of Obama's success. But if Obama didn't get hated on, it means he wouldnt be doin his job. People need to face the fact that Obama won, he's the president and if they dont like it... Oh well get over it.
mskiki wrote:
u know what else is so stupid is that he "forces" the supreme court to take up issue of obama's citizenship but obama was born in hawaii! isn't hawaii 1 one of the 50 states? oh but wait mccain was born in panama BUT NO ONE WANTS TO TAKE UP ISSUE ON HIS CITIZENSHIP THOUGH!!! its alwayz ur own ppl that wanna take u down instead of bring u up, man this [EXPLETIVE] has got to stop!!! --------------------------------------------
Go read a book! Know what one looks like? How does a Justice force the others to take up a case?
Oh.
Right.
They cannot.
But then again, "Afro.com" is right up there with CNN and the BBC right?
he is the who voted down affirmitive action, the guy just hates his own color, he is married to a white woman so he have to play into that party, and that is to act like a KKK black man, Clarence thomas set back his own black race 600 years, he did nothing for his own, and the hate he have for his own color is unbelieveable, *** he be doing something to help the country rather than wasting time on issues or matters that dont concern him? he should mind his own business, he is an uncle tom big time, he knows he got where he is today by pleasing the white man and doing their dirty work
Clarence(Uncle Tom) Thomas...*** has been hating on us for the longest. He think that he is above us!!! He is such a sad one. We need to hold a congressional hearing so we could allow him to go with those that oppose the progression of black..aka The KKK,White Supremacy,Neo-Nazi...ect. PLEASE TAKE CLARENCE THOMAS FOR US !!!!
blaxitive said:
*** WILL YOU ALL PLEASE DO YOUR RESEARCH!!! CLARENCE THOMAS IS NOT BEHIND THIS PEOPLE!! *** YOU ALL CAN'T WAIT TO SAY SOMEONE IS A HATER..STOP BELIEVING MTO AND THESE WACK *** HEADLINES!! ---------------------------------------
Orders already came down from on high.
Blacks MUST hate Clarence Thomas.
He's uppity because he dares to have his own opinions. The crowd must stamp that out at all times.!
We cannot allow people to be different!
People talk about MTO "lies" all the time, but here is one right now.
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It is sad that clarence thomas has taken action against african americans, on issue such as afirmative action, welfare, and other issues that would not only help us but other americans as well.
Obama was born in the 60's in Hawaii, the reason I am bringing this up Hawaii became a full american state in the year 1959 so if Obama waa born in 1960 on up than there is now doubt that he is a American citizen, I am tired of the right wing pushing for all of this nonsense.
to run form president, at least one of your parents must be an american citizen, Obama mother is from the midwest. A foreigner can not be president hince(Arlond Swazenner or however you spell his last name) the govenor of california.
well as a political science major, i would like to say that firstly, the Supreme Court is only a REACTION court. It cannot decide if it wants to rule on a case that WAS NOT GIVEN TO THEM. So therefore this story is full of holes. Secondly, what the hell is this dudes issue? Get off Obama's nuts! Goodness gracious, Uncle Toms are coming out the woodwork!
clarence also went all out to make sure affirmative action was unlawful,and I cant believe he is now trying to waste taxpayers money to find out if obama is a US citizen, Clarence thomas have absolutely no shame whatsoever, he is an *** licker thats how he got that job by putting the black man down, he knows what goes on behind close doors, and what is discussed behind closed door, he is just the messenger to bring it out. Talk about present day Strom Thurman or that guy from virginia that is too old to continue his senate duties.
@MSKIKI , YOU ARE RIGHT mCCAIN WAS BORN IN PANAMA THE ISSUE HERE IS HIS FATHER WAS STATIONED IN PANAMA. THAT MAKES HIM A US CITIZEN , I HAVE A GRANDDAUGHTER BORN IN GERMANY BECAUSE MY SON WAS STATIONED THERE SHE IS A US CITIZEN.
@ SUBJECT : CLARENCE DOES NOT LOVE HIS SELF THIS IS SELF HATERED , THE PROBLEM I HAVE IS THIS IS NOT THE WHOLE STORY GOOGLE THE STORY AND YOU WILL FIND THE TRUTH BEHIND THOMAS'S INQUIRY THIS REALLY HAS NOTHING TO DO DIRECTLY WITH BARACK CHECK IT OUT.
MY PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA LUV HIM
More nonsense from colleen33:
he is the who voted down affirmitive action, the guy just hates his own color, he is married to a white woman so he have to play into that party, and that is to act like a KKK black man, Clarence thomas set back his own black race 600 years, he did nothing for his own, and the hate he have for his own color is unbelieveable, *** he be doing something to help the country rather than wasting time on issues or matters that dont concern him? he should mind his own business, he is an uncle tom big time, he knows he got where he is today by pleasing the white man and doing their dirty work ------------------------------------------
Do you know what a book is?
Go read a history book.
600 years?
America isn't much older than 200 years old and a colony for about 250 before that.
Blacks have not been here anywhere close to 600 years.
But to know that you'd have to read and books are supposed to be toxic to some of us.
Did YOU go to Yale?
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I do not believe this.. Would have been all on CNN. :( Whomp! ================================
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Now I was never on the Obama bandwagon and I am not jumping on now but I will say this is silly. He was born Hawaii State to a mother that was a citizen of the United States Republic.
I know there are a lot of people who are not happy about the results of the election but get over it.
mzlediva said:
that's because he's going to lose his appointment. he's nothing but a sell out hadn't done anything for blacks since his azz has been on the bench ---------------------------------
Funny, only blacks are looking for people to "do something" FOR them.
Sp typical of too many of us.
Read Clarence Thomas's book, your head will explode as you begin to think for yourself for the first time.
And is that what the Supreme Court is there for? A Jew to "do something for" the Jews; an Asian to "do something for" the Asians etc.?
Sad, sad, sad.
What have YOU done for yourself and others?
By Kinge: It is sad that clarence thomas has taken action against african americans, on issue such as afirmative action, welfare, and other issues that would not only help us but other americans as well. --------------------------------------------
Kinge, How has welfare helped African Americans? It has destroyed our families.
LuckyS said:
MTO what the hell is Afro.com??? Are they like CNN??? Until i hear CNN or MSNBC reporting this i am not commenting on this topic --------------------------------------
I agree, but the stampede has started already.
Blacks (too many of them at least) know exactly what they are allowed to think and they are doing it now.
@ cutenkinky, Thank you. I went to the link that you posted. I don't really know the rules or the Laws of the U.S. Supreme Court nor do i know CLARENCE THOMAS personally, I've read about his past history of his "Allegations of sexual harassment". With that being said, i still can't really comment on this topic. ------------------------------------------------
When the justices of the U.S. Supreme Court meet on Dec. 5th, in their regular private conference to decide which cases to hear, two lawsuits that have captivated a segment of the blogosphere will be up for discussion.
Both urge the court to consider claims that President-elect Obama is not qualified to be president, because he is not a natural-born American citizen.
Persistent concerns about the qualifications of both major party candidates rank among the oddest aspects of 2008's historic campaign.
Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution provides that "No person except a natural born citizen" is eligible to be president. John McCain's status was questioned because he was born in the Panama Canal Zone and various theories have been advanced to cast doubt on Obama's.
Lawsuits over the inclusion of their names on state general-election ballots popped up around the country and were quickly dispensed with by local courts. But two challengers have pursued their cases to the Supreme Court.
Pennsylvania lawyer Philip Berg claims that the *** of Obama's birth are vague and that he may have been born in Kenya. Obama's mother, Berg asserts, later flew to Hawaii to register the birth.
Leo Donofrio, a New Jersey lawyer, contends that election officials in his state failed to ensure that only legally qualified candidates were placed on the ballot. Obama may have been born in the United States, Donofrio argues, but "natural born" status depends on both parents being American citizens. Obama's father was Kenyan.
The justices are unlikely to take up these cases for a host of reasons, not the least of which is the invitation to overturn the results of an election in which more than 66 million Americans voted for Obama. An equally high hurdle is the issue of whether Berg or Donofrio have the legal right to sue claiming a violation of the Constitution.
In dismissing Berg's complaint, a federal judge in Pennsylvania found that he failed to meet the basic test required for sustaining a lawsuit, because he couldn't show how the inclusion of Obama's name on the ballot would cause him -- apart from others -- some particular harm. Berg's stake, the judge said, "is no greater and his status no more differentiated than that of millions of other voters."
Other courts presented with similar challenges have reached the same conclusion, ruling that there is no general legal right to sue over the Constitution's eligibility requirements. Federal courts typically reject claims of legal standing based simply on a litigant's status as a voter or taxpayer.
The Obama campaign had hoped to end the controversy last spring by releasing his actual Hawaii birth certificate. But that prompted further questions about its authenticity, which were compounded when state authorities in Hawaii said they could not vouch for it, because they were constrained by the privacy laws.
Then, on Oct. 31st, the director of Hawaii's Department of Health issued a statement, proclaiming that he had personally seen and verified that the state has "Sen. Obama's original birth certificate on record," which shows that he was born there.
lifegroove
Clarence Uncle Thomas is a SELL OUT. I expect White people to act indifferent towards Obama BUT *** when our people ( Blacks )act indifferent that's even worse. I guess Clarence still got some COON in him. *** we need to support Obama instead of COONING OUT and trying to go against him.
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ISN'T IT SAD! WE ARE OUR OWN WORST ENEMY. I could go on all day about it, it's not just him.
***. What a ***! He's just jealous because Obama will get more recognition and respect than he ever will. This man was one of the judges whom voted against Affirmative Action as "unconstitutional". There are more White people rooting for blacks and minorities than this man. In my books, he doesn't have the privilege to be black. I'll take Bill Clinton for $1000.
i do understand the full story( judge thomas doesn't really have much to do with it) although i absolutely maintain he is jealous of obama. him and that crackhead judge joe brown, both of ya'll need to watch ya back u ba$***$!i guess joe brown still got a fetish for wendy williams c0ck and clarence thomas can't take virginia lamps d!ck out his mouth.
Two Mexican citizens can come to the the United States Republic today, give birth to a baby tomorrow and that baby will be a citizen of the United States Republic. Since when does your mother and father have to be born here in order for you to be a natural citizen. That is such non sense.
If that is the case, there would grounds to contest the citizenship of *** near everyone living in the U.S.
This TrinidadAdvintist (or whatever) person is killing me!!! How many times is one person going to continue to respond on an MTO post? I would assume that a person as intelligent as he/she says he/she is would have something more productive to do with his/her time :)
At the post: I haven't read my newspaper yet or watched CNN, so I'll see if this is 100% true when I do. Oh, but if it is...F^CKIN HILLARIOUS!!!!!!! It *** surprise anyone that this "genius" just wants a position he will never hold. I mean really, who would vote for him other than "want to seem intellectual" blacks? My white *** certainly wouldn't vote for Uncle Ruckus!
Congrats Obama!!!!!!!!!
@ TrinidadAdventist Welfare really has not hurt black familes, What welfare is, a program that provide aid to familes that couldn't afford food and other goods based on your income.
Now what made black people look bad with welfare is the steroypes and the fact that we as a cultrue at one time let beling on welfare become the morm for us.
When the number of people of welfare sky rocket that's when you had this polictical uproar but here is the kicker over 68% of people on welfare was WHITE, yes white's from the midwest were the ones taken advantage of the welfare system.
There is good and bad in everything, the true program that hurt black people is AFFIRMATIVE ACTION, yes it has help and hurt black american.
I know people are going to send me post after post so I am going to explain myself here and go in detail on another post. As a black male I don't agree withe the IDEA of affrimative action but with out affrimative action where would I be.
Let's be honest, the man is being asked to produce a *** that anyone of us could produce in a heartbeat. Clarence Thomas aint hatin'....he's doing his job. Why dont the man just show the *** to *** all these people up? It's not rocket science. It's required by the constitution.
Obama has lived for 48 years without leaving any footprints -- none! There is no Obama *** -- no records -- no paper trail -- none -- this is no accident. It is being done on purpose with Media help - but to serve whom & why??
MISSING-HIDDEN ***:
Original, vault copy of Certificate of Live Birth in the USA -- Not Released (1 version hidden in Hawaii, Original found in Kenya)
Certificate of Live Birth -- Released – Proven Counterfeit (www.ObamaFiles.com)
Obama/Dunham marriage license -- Not released
Soetoro/Dunham marriage license -- Not released
Soetoro adoption records -- Not released
Fransiskus Assisi School School application -- Released
Punahou School records -- Not released
Selective Service Registration -- Released – Proven Counterfeit
Occidental College records -- Not released
Passport (Pakistan) -- Not released
Columbia College records -- Not released
Columbia thesis -- Not released
Harvard College records -- Not released
Harvard Law Review articles -- None (maybe 1, Not Signed)
Baptism certificate -- None
Medical records -- Not released
Illinois State Senate records -- None (Locked up to prohibit public view)
Illinois State Senate schedule -- Lost (All other Illinois state senators' records are intact)
Law practice client list -- Not released
University of Chicago scholarly articles -- None
WHY DON'T WE SEE ONE WORD OF THIS IN ANY OF THE MEDIA?
sitfu.com Taking a Closer Look at the Stories Ignored by the Mainstream Media
Uncle Rukus!!
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"All persons born in the United States, except those not subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S. government (such as children of foreign diplomats) are citizens by birth."
"And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond sea, or outside the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens."
@TrinidadAdventist
look at u! u so quick to talk bout *** that u dont even know what u talkin bout! i suggest u go read a book, betta yet learn how to read or get ur eyes fix cuz i put "forces" as in i was bein sarcastic as in yea right he really forced the supreme court to do that, check urself b4 u check someone else! get yo mind right
Woo-wee. The MTO/Obama sheep are in full stampede mode today. Watch as they all jump off a cliff in a completely manufactured frenzy.
Whoever said that if you want to keep something from us (Black folks) then you should put it a book...they ain't neva lied!
Read ***! Stop taking people's word for ***. That's why we're in the predicament we are as a people now.
This is a very valid, legal action. A COLB is NOT the same as a long-form birth cert. I know because I have both. John McCain had to produce his because he was born on a military base in Panama...so the argument that no one questioned him is nullus!
I didn't vote for any of these ***. They are all bought and paid for.
*** idiots.
Worth a repost (from Sitfu.com):
Let's be honest, the man is being asked to produce a *** that anyone of us could produce in a heartbeat. Clarence Thomas aint hatin'....he's doing his job. Why dont the man just show the *** to *** all these people up? It's not rocket science. It's required by the constitution.
Obama has lived for 48 years without leaving any footprints -- none! There is no Obama *** -- no records -- no paper trail -- none -- this is no accident. It is being done on purpose with Media help - but to serve whom & why??
MISSING-HIDDEN ***:
Original, vault copy of Certificate of Live Birth in the USA -- Not Released (1 version hidden in Hawaii, Original found in Kenya)
Certificate of Live Birth -- Released – Proven Counterfeit (www.ObamaFiles.com)
Obama/Dunham marriage license -- Not released
Soetoro/Dunham marriage license -- Not released
Soetoro adoption records -- Not released
Fransiskus Assisi School School application -- Released
Punahou School records -- Not released
Selective Service Registration -- Released – Proven Counterfeit
Occidental College records -- Not released
Passport (Pakistan) -- Not released
Columbia College records -- Not released
Columbia thesis -- Not released
Harvard College records -- Not released
Harvard Law Review articles -- None (maybe 1, Not Signed)
Baptism certificate -- None
Medical records -- Not released
Illinois State Senate records -- None (Locked up to prohibit public view)
Illinois State Senate schedule -- Lost (All other Illinois state senators' records are intact)
Law practice client list -- Not released
University of Chicago scholarly articles -- None
WHY DON'T WE SEE ONE WORD OF THIS IN ANY OF THE MEDIA?
sitfu.com Taking a Closer Look at the Stories Ignored by the Mainstream Media
@ MTO, IT DOES NOT SAY ANYWHERE THAT THOMAS IS PUSHING THIS. IT SAYS THAT TW0 OF THE ITEMS TO LOOK AT DEC.5 MEETING HAPPEN TO BE ABOUT OBAMA BIRTH PLACE THAT'S MOST LIKELY WILL NOT FLY ANYWHERE. HERE'S PART OF THE MSNBC ARTICLE AND NOT NO *** AFRO.COM.
Leo Donofrio, a New Jersey lawyer, contends that election officials in his state failed to ensure that only legally qualified candidates were placed on the ballot. Obama may have been born in the United States, Donofrio argues, but "natural born" status depends on both parents being American citizens. Obama's father was Kenyan.
The justices are unlikely to take up these cases for a host of reasons, not the least of which is the invitation to overturn the results of an election in which more than 66 million Americans voted for Obama. An equally high hurdle is the issue of whether Berg or Donofrio have the legal right to sue claiming a violation of the Constitution.
In dismissing Berg's complaint, a federal judge in Pennsylvania found that he failed to meet the basic test required for sustaining a lawsuit, because he couldn't show how the inclusion of Obama's name on the ballot would cause him -- apart from others -- some particular harm. Berg's stake, the judge said, "is no greater and his status no more differentiated than that of millions of other voters."
Other courts presented with similar challenges have reached the same conclusion, ruling that there is no general legal right to sue over the Constitution's eligibility requirements. Federal courts typically reject claims of legal standing based simply on a litigant's status as a voter or taxpayer.
HATERS DON'T HOLD YOUR BREATH CUZ YOUR PRESIDENT IS BARACK OBAMA AND IT WILL BE CERITFIED DEC.15TH BY THE ELECTORAL. THAT'S THE ONLY REASON THIS FOOLISH STORY CAME OUT. TRYING TO KEEP THE POLITICAL EXCITEMENT GOING FOR NEWSPAPERS AND NEWS SITES. SO ALL THE NAME CALLING IT'S NO NEED FOR IT. NEWS PPL DOING WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO TO GET HITS AND EXCITEMENT.
MTO JUST TRYING TO START SOMETHING AND WANT EVERYONE TO CALL THOMAS NAMES BUT WHATEVER.
THE BEGINNING OF THE ARTICLE.
When the justices of the U.S. Supreme Court meet on Dec. 5th, in their regular private conference to decide which cases to hear, two lawsuits that have captivated a segment of the blogosphere will be up for discussion.
Both urge the court to consider claims that President-elect Obama is not qualified to be president, because he is not a natural-born American citizen.
Persistent concerns about the qualifications of both major party candidates rank among the oddest aspects of 2008's historic campaign.
Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution provides that "No person except a natural born citizen" is eligible to be president. John McCain's status was questioned because he was born in the Panama Canal Zone and various theories have been advanced to cast doubt on Obama's.
Lawsuits over the inclusion of their names on state general-election ballots popped up around the country and were quickly dispensed with by local courts. But two challengers have pursued their cases to the Supreme Court.
All politicians have something to hide. Why push the issue with Obama? Bush was a "C" student at best and an alcoholic yet he has served two terms. Where was the uproar then?
I did not cast a ballot to elect Obama either but the person that they wanted in office has been elected and arguing about it on MTO isn't going to change that.
Now I'm not a fan of Obama at all but come on now Clarence you should have brought this *** up earlier. I know where Mr. Thomas is coming from and I know it has nothing to do with race but ignorant people of the world can't see that. Obama better just keep building his new dream team cabinet. Haven't seen a new "changed" face yet. Obama got yall good. Big ups to my girl Hillary. She bout to take the White House back!!
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I AGREE WITH U. RATHER U VOTED FOR HIM OR NOT, WHICH I DID. HE'S STILL GOING TO BE YOUR PRESIDENT UNLESS U MOVE TO RUSSIA ACROSS FROM PALIN PORCH. LOL
IT'S A WASTE TALKING ABOUT WHY HIS HAVARD RECORDS WASN'T RELEASE. ***, BUSH WASN'T SEEN FOR LIKE A YEAR OR SO AT HARVARD AND WALKED ACROSS THE STAGE. WHO QUESTIONING THAT???
CHANGE DOESN'T MEAN NEW FACES. CHANGE MEAN TAKING GOOD TALENT AND PUTTING THEM TOGETHER FOR ONE GOAL AND THAT'S TO BRING ABOUT YOUR , KEY WORD IS YOUR CHANGE AND DIRECTION THAT YOU SEE FIT FOR AMERICA. PPL GET SO CAUGHT UP ON WORDS INSTEAD OF LOOKING AT THE BIGGER PICTURE. PPL IT'S REAL SIMPLE, IF U DON'T LIKE THE MAN AND DON'T SEE HIM FIT AS PRESIDENT THEN MOVE FROM NORTH AMERICA AND BECOME A CITIZEN SOMEWHERE ELSE.
Thomas, why doesn't your TOMMIN' *** go somewhere and die???
Barack was born on American soil, (HAWAII). Therefore, he is a "natural born citizen" according to the U.S. Constitution. Hawaii became a state in 1959!!! Barack was born in 1961.
I wish people would *** the F--- up about his father was born in Kenya. Got *** it, his father did not run for President of the United States!!! The law states Barack must be a natural born citizen. And he has provided us with the proof. Enough said!!!
Its amazing to see how ignorant some of ya'll in here are, and how are you going to wish for a person to die?!!Ya'll aint got no heart to be wishing that on anybody!
Alot of you are hating on Justice Thomas without even knowing the actual story. They say hes only taking the case to officially put the issue to rest so it wont come up again. And even if he wasnt, he still WELL WITHIN HIS RIGHT to review the legalites of Obama being qualified for the Presidency. If yall act like Obama is your whole *** reson for living. Hes still half white, and aint even ethnically African American. Get of the mans sack for 2 seconds come back down to reality!!!!!
This is another d*mn lie. First of all, Clarence Thomas is a Judge so, he knows clearly that anyone born to an American parent is an American. There is NO way, they can challenge Obama's citizenship for any reason at all. It's stupid that someone has to try and pin Clarence Thomas as an idiot like this. He's a judge for crying out loud. And, if stupid black people want to act like just because he doesn't fall into the box of black thinking that he's an uncle Tom too d*mn bad. Come on people use your heads clearly his mother was from Kansas so, therefore he's American. If he were born in Canada from a Kansas born mother and his dad was from Kenya he would still be America. You don't even need to be born within the U.S borders to be American. *************************************************************************************************************************************************** If you have an American parent then YOU ARE AUTOMATICALLY considered a citizen. So, no one who's a supreme court judge would be dumb enough to question this! PLEASE STOP YOUR LYING!!! This dumb ignorant UNCLE Tom thinking was the reason why, you all wrote this dumb azz article NOW there! You know this isn't true. Yes, I am African American so, please don't act like it was some racist white person. ***************************************************************************************************************************************************
@sexykimmie
u are NOT automatically an american citizen bcuz ur parents or parent is one...u have to be born in america to be an american citizen, naturalized, or be apply as a us citizen...ex: if a mexican man and woman came from mexico and moved to texas, they ARE not american citizens, if they have a child, that child is an american citizen bcuz the child was born in america. that childs parents are NOT american citizens. they have to get citizenship jus like everyone else who wasn't born here :)
I honestly wouldn't put it past him to TRY to start some stuff (he's a personal friend of our CEO) but he's a Justice and is fully aware that...... between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986. A child born outside of the United States to one U.S. Citizen parent and one non-U.S. Citizen parent, may be entitled to citizenship providing the U.S. Citizen parent had, prior to the birth of the child, been physically present in the United States for a period of ten years, at least five years of which were after s/he reached the age of fourteen.
Anyone who would try to challenge his citizenship is pretty much bored to death.
@StBernard- the ONLY way Clarence is leaving that seat is death or impeachment and he would have to do some MAJOR *** to get impeached.
Obama is not the only person being challenged in this. Remember, John McCain was born at Coco Solo Naval Air Station in the Panama Canal Zone, Panama which at that time was under US control.
The Supreme Court's website listed the date for the case brought by Leo C. Donofrio against Nina Wells, the secretary of state in New Jersey, over not only Obama's name on the 2008 election ballot but those of two others, Sen. John McCain and Roger Caler. The action questions whether any of the three candidates is qualified under the U.S. Constitution's requirement that a president be a "natural-born citizen."
This ugly ***, big nose, house [EXPLETIVE] makes me sick with his tired *** white wife. Obama can kick his *** off of the Supreme Court if he wants to and I hope he does and replaces him with a white woman, would'nt that be funny? ------------------------------------------------
Obama cant kick Thomas off the Supreme Court, Justices are appointed for life. Thomas is within his right to see if Obama meets the legal qualifications of a citizen. The case was submitted to him and he simply accepted the case
I don't consider Clarence Thomas an Uncle Tom. Does he have a different view than you? Yes. Did he grow up poor and black? Yes, but he also was raised by grandparents that instilled in him his views of the world of self reliance. No one usually shakes how they were raised.
I'll have to read more about this before I offer my opinion because MTO has been known to print erroneous titles and stories.
do you people know why they post stuff like this? so you can believe this mess and write about it, who's to say it's even true....you people need to quit believing everything you read, the media is a bunch of lies, this country was built on lies and deceit, and you people just eat it up...WHY because you have no life. As much time you put into building these so called celebs up, you need to invest that in your kids, because they are our future instead of investing it in this ***, and stop having the media, TV , MUSIC raise your kids......you know darn well the so call leaders are not going to feed us, they talk a good game, but that's just what it is GAME. These people are being controlled by committee 300 that control you.....these celebs don't care about you they care about your money and time that you continue to endorse them.
everyone is saying, oh he's a black man he *** be doing this, but yet you diss every other black person that is doing something for themselves in a positive way....I HATE SOME BLACK PEOPLE, I really do. Some blacks think if you make a gang of money then your successful, that's not success idiots! If you make a mark in life like Malcolm X, Martin Luther, Tupac, to die for what you believe in and it's for your people screams success for me, it's not just about making huge amounts of money. I'm so over the music industry, it's all hype and of course rigged.
Oh come on now!!! He was a black panther and now he is a black on black racist republican! Obama won fair and square, there is proof that he is U.S. born! Sh!t, file a *** background check and you'll find that he is American as apple pie!!! He's just jealous. He is the president whether he likes it or not.
DEFINITION OF TERM "NATURAL BORN CITIZEN" FROM WIKIPEDIA.COM:
The United States Constitution requires that Presidents (and Vice Presidents) of the United States be natural born citizens of the United States. While it is undisputed that people born in the US are qualified to hold the office of President, and that naturalized U.S. citizens are disqualified from holding that office, it is disputed whether people born to US-citizen parents outside the United states are natural born citizens or not.[1]
The constitutional provisions The special term "Natural Born Citizen" is used in particular as a requirement for eligibility to serve as President or Vice President of the United States. Section 1 of Article II of the Constitution contains the clause:
“ No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States. ”
Additionally, the 12th Amendment to the Constitution states that: "[***]o person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States."
The Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution provides an additional source of constitutional doctrine stating that birth "in the United States" and subjection to U.S. jurisdiction at the time of birth, entitles one to citizenship:
“ All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the Jurisdiction thereof, are Citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. . . ”
However, the full text of the fourteenth amendment does not mention the phrase "natural born citizen," nor does it address Presidential qualifications. The phrase "natural born Citizen" is not defined anywhere in the Constitution, as is true with most Constitutional terms.
Section 8 of Article I confers on Congress the power "to establish a uniform Rule of Naturalization..." This power has been construed to include defining the characteristics of a "natural born citizen", as well as the conditions of "naturalization".
The 1790 Congress, many of whose members had been members of the Constitutional Convention, provided in the Naturalization Act of 1790 that "And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond the sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens." In addition George Washington was president of the Constitutional Convention and President of the United States when this bill became law. If Washington disagreed with this definition, he could have vetoed this bill. However, in 1795 the Congress passed the Naturalization Act of 1795 which removed the words "natural born" from this statement to state that such children born to citizens beyond the seas are citizens of the U.S., but are not legally to be considered "natural born citizens" of the U.S. This was done to clarify for those living at that time who was and who was not a "natural born citizen" per the framers intent at that time, since the 1790 Act had introduced confusion into that subject in regards to the use of those words in the Constitution. George Washington was also President in 1795, and thus he was aware of this change. And if he disagreed with the clarification and change in the wording in the new act in 1795, he would have vetoed the Naturalization Act of 1795.
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YOU CAN GET EVEN MORE DETAIL AT: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_born_citizen
@ YusefX I brought up the issue of Bush being a “C” student to make the point that Obama’s education, intelligence and qualifications are being questioned but no one questioned Bush’s. Everything he has accomplished in life seems to be a direct result of who his father and his father’s father are and were, not because of his own hard work and merit. He is a man of at best, average intelligence yet he served two terms, has run the country into poorly and has shown little or no respect for the Constitution for the United States. Were was the Supreme Court then?
If this was a "real" issue Obama would not have been elected. Haters, white and "allegedly" AA, as Mr. Thomas is, would have *** him down 2 years ago when he started. Another 'alleged" AA, Alan Keyes, has already tried time and time again to make this an issue to no avail. Next time Clarence will choke on that pubic hair. Nasty son of a sucker
THE CONFUSION OBVIOUSLY LIES BETWEEN THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN 'US CITIZEN' AND 'NATURAL BORN' US CITIZEN. I HAD NO IDEA THAT IF ONLY "1" OF YOUR PARENTS WAS FOREIGN, YOU COULD BECOME DISQUALIFIED AS NATURAL BORN NO MATTER THE STATUS OF THE OTHER PARENT...THAT'S WHERE THE CONTROVERSY IS.
IT'S A STUPID ISSUE IF YOU ASK ME. HELL, IF MY MOM (WHO IS AMERICAN-BLACK) GAVE BIRTH TO ME, BUT I WAS SIRED BY LETS SAY, A CANADIAN DUDE...I'M NOT ACTUALLY NATURAL BORN?? GTHOH. THESE *** WASHINGTON POLITICOS AND THEIR INTERPERATATIONS OF THE CONSTITUTION...
REDICULOUS!
i dont why yall wanna call this nygga a disgrace because he questions obama citizenship. That the Problem in this Fuuckin Country now nobody questions anything they just let all the *** ride and they believe whatever the media tells them the real qeustion is can obama prove he is a natural born citizen and if so show us. yall are a bunch of sheep gettin led to the slughter ...SMH.
@cutenkinky
what i said is true...look it up...u are ONLY an AUTOMATIC citizen if u are born here in america! to become an american citizen, u have to through naturalization, which means to confer upon an alien the rights and privileges of a citizen, so technically u are NOT an AUTOMATIC citizen, u had to do paperwork to become an american citizen :)
Why is this news? This guy is black by default so nothing he does surprises me. And furthermore, he's not even respected amongst blacks......he is far from being relevant in the african american community. His white counterparts don't even care for this man but they tolerate him because he is instrumental in enforcing their racists ideologies, practices, and policies. He's their ultimate "Yes Man"! He reminds me of Ruckus from The Boondocks so MTO please don't give this man anymore press. Let Fox News cover him!
MissDaniBaby2 I have read through all of that information. That is the whole problem, it is left up to interpretation. Those same interpretations are what sparked the Dred Scot case and the Civil Rights Movement of the 50's and 60's.
I guess when the "Founding Fathers" of the country wrote those laws, they never fathomed anyone other that a White Anglo Saxon Protestant would ever be anything other than 3/5 of a human being and/or property and certainly not President of this country. It was okay to let people skate by before now all of sudden they want to try to a definite meaning on things and "enforce" laws.
why do ppl alwayz wanna question obama's citizenship but yet aint nobody EVA question mccain's citizenship from the get-go and his white *** wasn't even born in america! but yet have the audacity to question obama and he was actually born in america?!! man that dont make no *** sense!! but its only bcuz he got black in him! if ur white ur automatically considered an american citizen no doubt bout it! smh!
@ mskiki The Child Citizenship Act of 2000 (H.R. 2883) was signed by President Clinton on Oct. 30, 2000. It went into effect Feb. 27, 2001. The bill grants automatic citizenship to all foreign-born children who are under 18 years of age; admitted to the United States as lawful permanent residents; and in the legal and physical custody of at least one parent who is a US citizen. Parents no longer are required to submit an application to have their children naturalized.
THE WORLD NOW KNOWS ANITA HILL TO BE ONE OF THE GREATEST FEMALE HEROINS OF OUR TIME.
SHE SPOKE TO CONGRESS ABOUT US FEMALES HAVING TO CHOSE BETWEEN PAYING YOUR MORTGAGE OR SLEEPING WITH SOMEONE YOU DONT WANT TO.
CLARENCE THOMAS IS JUST CONTINUING TO PROVE HIMSELF UNWORTHY.
HE WILL SEE SOME GRIM DAYS CUZ OF THE WICKED THINGS HE HAS DONE.
Praise God for Clarence Thomas!
Finally, A Black man with some COMMON SENSE!
All you SILLY NI@@AS out there need to tke your lead from Mr. Thomas. Just because it's black.... Don't make it right.
Mr. Thomas is Defending our Constitution. If you do not support him in this decision.... Then you are UN-AMERICAN and AGAINST our CONSTITUTION.
BTW- SUCK IT FOOLS! DOWN WITH ObaSAMA!
www.theobamafile.com
100stackfsas
i dont why yall wanna call this nygga a disgrace because he questions obama citizenship. That the Problem in this Fuuckin Country now nobody questions anything they just let all the *** ride and they believe whatever the media tells them the real qeustion is can obama prove he is a natural born citizen and if so show us. yall are a bunch of sheep gettin led to the slughter ...SMH.
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Yea sure, let's start asking questions when it comes to the BLACK president. Until you do all the white politicians the same, you're just a crab!
@cutenkinky
What Are the Requirements of the Child Citizenship Act of 2000?
The child must meet the following requirements:
* Have at least one American citizen parent by birth or naturalization; * Be under 18 years of age; * Live in the legal and physical custody of the American citizen parent; and * Be admitted as an immigrant for lawful permanent residence.
thats not exactly true...its not automatic if that one parent is the father...it says it right here:
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if its the mother is automatic, but if its the father ITS NOT automatic :)
@ Mskiki..McCain's citizenship was challenged and he presented *** to the senate. although he was born in Panama, it was on a US military base which qualified him. Obama did not present the proper *** to the senate. according to what i have been reading he produced a birth certificate via his campaign which in turn went online..this process prompted suspicion and made it appear as though he had something to hide. Answering these arguments long ago would have stopped this process. now we are faced with an embarrassing moment that pits black against black all because Mr Obama and his camp did not do enough to close the mouths of these citizen's lawsuits and complaints. ridiculous foolishness! I'm angry at both of them.
100stackfsas
i dont why yall wanna call this nygga a disgrace because he questions obama citizenship. That the Problem in this Fuuckin Country now nobody questions anything they just let all the *** ride and they believe whatever the media tells them the real qeustion is can obama prove he is a natural born citizen and if so show us. yall are a bunch of sheep gettin led to the slughter ...SMH. ***************** i somewhat agree with you because Obama should have cleared this up a lot more thoroughly when it originated. this is not about Clarence Thomas. This is about the original law suit filed by a democrat...not a republican. ..a democrat..just simply wanted to verify the validity of Mr. Obama's birth..this was all BEFORE HE BECAME PRESIDENT. HIS CAMP HAS HAD AMPLE TIME TO CLEAR UP AND CLEAN UP THIS MESS!!
I think ya'll *** are silly. This issue of his citizenship came up at the very beginning of his announcement that he would run. It even came up for McCain. But the constitution states that you can not be a president not that you can not run. I think Barack is a good guy, definitely the best of the people who made it through the "primaries" but not the best person who ran...and if you didn't vote in the the "primaries" you probably don't understand the process well enough to comment. I think people should make sure the Constitution is upheld, remember Barack doesn't want anyone to have any guns, neither does Biden, these are Constituional rights. Bush has ruined our legar right to privacy. Know your facts we don't have much of the Consitution left.
Also, I wasn't a big Barack supporter though he is much better than McCain in his ability to relate to people, his policies are another story. But I think if you want to be all upset about a Supreme Court Justice upholding the Constitution and reviewing a case that has been filed against Obama in many states prior to now, I think you should be more upset that more *** who are not mixed and are actually descended from slaves were not in position to run. Not just in Congress or in the Senate, as we have rich white people who run all the time. Why do *** have to settle to the chitlin's Massa gave them? Why wasn't our first president descended from parents from Detroit and Watts? Jacksonville and D.C.? Or Memphis and Atlanta? Why are we so happy about A white woman from Hawaii and a Kenyan hookin' up? When our next president is Mexican or Asian and some other race... Would we really have gotten our turn? After 400 years.... This is it? Or do we have another black personal in line run after his term? Think more and stop taking factless websites as truth. You might learn something.
I signed up today just to respond to the overwhelming *** of 99% of these comments.
Keepin' It Pimpin'...
Clarence Thomas who?! Obama *** near *** the whole Republican party down without gettin' gully. This man is way outta his league trying to step to Obama! Clarence Thomas is a puppet on a string. He's probably speaking out because some white man told his weak *** too. Obama is an American citizen all day every day! Quit hatin! It ain't good for ya blood pressure!
Flag post this is frusterating because most black folks operate on emotions not logic....everyone cryin hater this hater that...hate dont have [EXPLETIVE] to do with it
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Oh Yes it does especially when there are no evidence or facts behind what he's saying. He is trying to sabotage this man's position and for what?! Because 'Clearance' feel he isn't an American citizen?! Was 'Clarence' present when Obama's mother gave birth?!
@ MS KIKI.. Article exercept.... McCain is a natural born citizen because the United States exercised sovereignty over the Panama Canal "at the time" of his birth on August 29, 1936. He was born on a U.S. military base, and both of his parents were U.S. citizens - I ran across this while searching for information about Mr Obama's naturalization. There is plenty of information out there. My argument is not about McCain anyway. I just wanted to give you the facts after reading what you said.You made it seem like he never had to prove himself.And the point is he proved his legitimacy in a fair and concise matter and was scrutinized just as Obama was. Why black folks always got make things a black issue and call our own people uncle toms??McCain went before the senate and presented ***. Obama should have done the same!If Obama had done that(which i have read that he did not) this would have given more credence to his campaign haters before the election. Why leave open issues and concerns.
@ YusefX - you are full of it. Obama can easily get rid of his *** and appoint someone else. So take your black hate mongering *** somewhere else. BTW, your punk *** Ron Paul lost, if he ever runs again, he'll lose. You and him are both losers. And don't question my history knowledge cause I probably, no, I KNOW MORE THAN YOU! Go suck on Ron's and Clarence's clap infected d!cks!
@CUTENKINKY<<<
"MissDaniBaby2 I have read through all of that information. That is the whole problem, it is left up to interpretation. Those same interpretations are what sparked the Dred Scot case and the Civil Rights Movement of the 50's and 60's.
I guess when the "Founding Fathers" of the country wrote those laws, they never fathomed anyone other that a White Anglo Saxon Protestant would ever be anything other than 3/5 of a human being and/or property and certainly not President of this country. It was okay to let people skate by before now all of sudden they want to try to a definite meaning on things and "enforce" laws." -------------------------------------
EXACTLY! I SMELL A MAJOR RAT SOMEWHERE WHEN A "NON-WHITE" MAN ALL OF A SUDDEN GETS ALL THIS SCRUTINY REGARDING CITIZENSHIP STATUS...
AND YES, THE SO-CALLED INTEPERATION OF THESE CONSTITUTIONAL "SCHOLARS" IS SUSPECT AT BEST.
Clarance Thomas is bitter and jealous. Obama hasn't even been sworn in yet. He won so get the fu(*** over it! He's talkin' that sh!t that affirmative action is unconstitutional, when slavery was constitutional, what is that saying? That we should still be slaves? If it wasn't for affirmative action, his black *** would be standin' on the corner slinging dope. F*ck him and Alan Keyes (another former black panther).
@DOYOURRESEARCH<<<
"I think you should be more upset that more [EXPLETIVE] who are not mixed and are actually descended from slaves were not in position to run. Not just in Congress or in the Senate, as we have rich white people who run all the time. Why do [EXPLETIVE] have to settle to the chitlin's Massa gave them? Why wasn't our first president descended from parents from Detroit and Watts? Jacksonville and D.C.? Or Memphis and Atlanta? Why are we so happy about A white woman from Hawaii and a Kenyan hookin' up? When our next president is Mexican or Asian and some other race... Would we really have gotten our turn? After 400 years.... This is it? Or do we have another black personal in line run after his term? Think more and stop taking factless websites as truth. You might learn something." ------------------------------------
YOU HAVE A POINT, EVEN THOUGH I DON'T NECESSARILY AGREE WITH THE "***" ATTACKS IN YOUR EARLIER POST.
BUT I AGREE THAT IT IS MIGHTY FUNNY HOW A MAN WHO HAS NO-SLAVE-BLOOD-IN-HIM-WHATSOEVER WAS THE TYPE OF COLORED MAN ALLOWED TO BE PRESIDENT. DON'T GET ME WRONG, I ABSOLUTELY ADORE OBAMA AND HIS FAMILY AND I MADE SURE THAT I VOTED FOR HIM...BUT IT IS ALSO BLATANTLY APPARENT THAT AMERICA WAS NOT READY FOR A 100% BLACK MAN...YA KNOW, WITH CERTAIN *coughs* "LINEAGES" IN HIS BLOODLINE.
SOME WILL ARGUE, WELL HE IS THE "ONLY MAN OF COLOR" TO DATE THAT WAS EVER QUALIFIED TO RUN...BUT HOW CAN THEY ARGUE THAT WHEN WE HAVE "C" AND "D" WHITE DUDES *** THE COUNTRY NOW? SMDH.
I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO HAVE A MAN THAT AT LEAST "LOOKS" LIKE ME IN OFFICE, BUT FOLKS NEED NOT GET IT TWISTED, WHITE AMERICA WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN TOO THRILLED TO PUT A RUN OF THE MILL, "TYRONE JACKSON" TYPE IN OFFICE...EVEN IF HE HAD THE SAME EDUCATION AND WAS WAS ABLE TO SPEAK WELL. REAL TALK!
MAYBE IN ANOTHER 100 YEARS, "TYRONE" WILL FINALLY GET HIS CHANCE. LOL
And yes...I am trying to bait you YusefX. Please, please, please show your *** face on this site. I enjoy destroying self righteous *** like youself. You being upset because a black man won a presidency makes you the p*ssy that I continue to remind you that you are. I could've taken the high road, but with you, let's get dirty. My research skills are stepped up (especially since you got on with your ***)on this issue and I would love to "spar"(read: destroy you). Please, Please, Please - LET'S GO!!!!!!
@ DoYourResearch You have made some excellent points. I actually voted for Obama during the primaries but as he got further into his campaign, I began to fall out of favor with him a little more each time he opened his mouth.
I took the time to research other candidates. I voted for McKinney. So many people didn’t even know that other candidates were running. They let the media dictate everything to them. Some one even mentioned McKinney wasn’t on the ballot in their home state but a knowledgeable person would know you can write in a candidates name on a ballot.
So many people became so caught up in the hype of having a “black president” I don’t think they were paying attention to where he stands on a lot of the issues. Add to that the fact that we are all so tired of Bush, a Giraffe could have run and won if it meant no more Bush.
OBAMA IS THE NEXT PRESIDENT, SO GET OVER IT CLARENCE AND HIS HATERS.
YADA YADA YADA YADA, ETC ETC.... OBAMA HAS IT, FLAT OUT. DON'T LIKE IT, TOO BAD. CAN'T DO NOTHING ABOUT IT. YEAH, THEY CAN WHINE AND WHINE TILL THEY BLUE IN THE ***, TALK ABOUT THIS AND THAT, THAT AND THIS, CAN'T TURN BACK THE CLOCK SO THERE YA HAVE IT.
mskiki said,
how bout u *** up and stop replyin to every last one of the comments up here tryna prove a point! no one gives a flyin ***! u needa hop up off of clarence thomas's ***!!! -------------------------------------------
Hear what I will do:
I'll allow you one do-over--one opportunity to salvage your reputation on the internet. I'm sure you are regretful of your foul language and gutter-talk; and I am willing to pretend it never happened so you can start anew.
Think again about the level of vulgarity that you think is appropriate. Read more often. Black people can rise above the stereotypes you displayed here today. okay?
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The biggest question is why Obama, if a Hawaii birth certificate exists, simply hasn't ordered it made available to settle the rumors.
The governor's office in Hawaii said he had a valid certificate but rejected requests for access and left ambiguous its origin. Does the certificate on file with the Department of Health indicate a Hawaii birth or was it generated after the Obama family registered a Kenyan birth in Hawaii.
Obama's half-sister, Maya Soetoro, has named two different Hawaii hospitals where Obama could have been born.
But a video posted on YouTube features Obama's Kenyan grandmother Sarah claiming to have witnessed Obama's birth in Kenya.
This might be a bunch of ***..... only time will tell..
cutenkinky, You have made some excellent points. I actually voted for Obama during the primaries but as he got further into his campaign, I began to fall out of favor with him a little more each time he opened his mouth.
I took the time to research other candidates. I voted for McKinney. So many people didn’t even know that other candidates were running. They let the media dictate everything to them. Some one even mentioned McKinney wasn’t on the ballot in their home state but a knowledgeable person would know you can write in a candidates name on a ballot.
So many people became so caught up in the hype of having a “black president” I don’t think they were paying attention to where he stands on a lot of the issues. Add to that the fact that we are all so tired of Bush, a Giraffe could have run and won if it meant no more Bush. ---------------------------------------------
In this climate you'll be in big trouble for your independent thought. Just take a look at this page for example.
I dunno about McKinney, but I would hope that in general Blacks in America would be less afraid to have their own individual opinions.
@ NoElleNo2
I do understand what it is you are trying to say, but let’s be honest for a second. Senator McCain birth has not been an issue like President Obama. This all came about when the Republic party knew they were going to lose this election. If I am not mistaken, President Obama in deed presented *** to prove that he was indeed a born US native. After proving them wrong, they then stated his birth records were fraud. It will never stop…..
As for as Judge Thomas, he has been the most critical of blacks then any of the other judges on that panel. Blacks have stood behind Judge Thomas and his radical actions for a long time and he always seem to be a let down.
Any man, BLACK MAN, that feel that Affirmative Action needs to be done with is a coward! It was created to not only help black, but women and other minorities
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@BLUE_FLAME....... SPOOOOOKY, ISN'T IT???? NAW, FOR REAL THO, THE PEOPLE THAT CANNOT GRASP THE FACT THAT HE'S PRESIDENT IS A RIOT AND A HOT SHAME AT THE SAME TIME. OBAMA MADE IT, POINT BLANK PERIOD. ALL THAT HE THIS, HE THAT, FOLKS ONLY VOTED FOR HIM CAUSE HE'S BLACK, BY THE WAY, NOT EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO VOTED FOR OBAMA DID JUST THAT BECAUSE THE COLOR OF HIS SKIN, BUT THEY SO CAUGHT UP IN THEIR OWN "FACTS" AND "CONSPIRACY THEORIES (TAKE CLARENCE FOR INSTANCE) THAT THEY STILL GOTTA MOAN AND GROAN.... ***.... STOP CRYING! BUT GUESS WHAT? THEY GONNA KEEP ON CRYING. WELL, GO AHEAD, THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO DO SO..... BUT FOR WHAT WHEN SOMETHING IS ALREADY SIGNED, SEALED AND DELIVERED, YA KNOW?
@ YusefX (if you decided to peek your head in again)
December 2, 2008
Dear friend of Liberty,
This past presidential season I saw a renewed enthusiasm from our country’s youth.
An excitement for liberty gripped the college campuses unlike I have ever seen before. Young people were energized for real change.
Still to my amazement, our college rallies attracted thousands of young people. Students were hungry for the message of freedom, peace, and prosperity.
For this reason, a youth-based movement for liberty is essential to our cause. It is these young men and women who will become tomorrow’s champions of liberty.
That's why I am giving my enthusiastic endorsement to Young Americans for Liberty (YAL); an organization that is built directly on the success of Students for Ron Paul.
My National Youth Coordinator, Jeff Frazee, is launching this organization with an ambitious goal of starting over 100 campus chapters in 2009. They have already started 47 chapters this semester.
Jeff worked with me exclusively to start the Campaign for Liberty (C4L) and host the Rally for the Republic in Minneapolis. Now, he is leaving to follow his real passion and lead Young Americans for Liberty.
The Campaign for Liberty has supplied $25,000 in seed money to help start YAL. I hope you will join in support as well.
Young Americans for Liberty is the continuation of Students for Ron Paul.
Students for Ron Paul established over 500 college chapters in all 50 states. Over 26,000 students joined our campaign. With this network and my support, Young Americans for Liberty is essential to building a genuine liberty movement in America.
You and I must remain serious about our ideas and goals. I am. I believe you are too.
Back in the 1960s, an influential youth movement formed around another anti-establishment presidential candidate. His name was Barry Goldwater. The organization was called Young Americans for Freedom; and without it, we may have never seen Ronald Reagan in the White House.
I have high hopes for Young Americans for Liberty, and wish them a similar fortune.
Please visit the Young Americans for Liberty website, sign up for their weekly E-Newsletter, and read about their plans for next semester.
Their website is at [link to external website removed]
The importance of YAL to the future of liberty cannot be overstated.
Young people have the passion, energy, and dedication that many of you can relate to from this past year and a half. But, young people do not have very much money. It is up to you and me to give them our support.
So please go to Young Americans for Liberty's website [link to external website removed] , sign up for their free E-Newsletter, and read about the future of our youth.
In liberty,
@fupeople
Exactly! This country is a joke right now with a chump (Bush) for a President. There are world leaders that won't even meet with Bush and they're worried about a Birth Certificate? OBAMA IS AN AMERICAN, but at this point who really cares?! He got voted in by AMERICANS and I think that's what really counts.
Someone please correct me but I don't think Justice Thomas can force anything on the supreme court. I don't overstand you so called black conservatives and why you continue to try force your views on the rank and file. The black masses have flourished without your brand of enlightenment for centuries.@DO YOUR RESEARCH Your statements regarding Obamas bloodline are stinging but true. I think people are happy in general to see anything other than a white middle aged man as president and interpret Obamas election as a significant *** in racial attitudes in this country. @MISSDANIBABY 2 maybe someone from our tribe will rise to the presidency in the next 100 years. Most of our people in the diaspora and from this country don't have that third eye open to even see what the election of Obama means. Even if an African American is elected they'll probably be from one of the negro illumanti groups.
******* TO ALL OUT THERE THAT CANNOT, REPEAT, CANNOT GRASP REALITY, GUESS WHAT, THERE IS SIMETHING YA NEED TO KNOW, SOMETHING YOU AND CLARENCE "UNCLE TOM" (YA'LL MUST BE HIS NEICES AND NEPHEWS, FOR REAL!) THOMAS CANNOT CHANGE NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU WHINE........
****** OBAMA IS PRESIDENT *******
I KNOW RIGHT, SHOCKER. OH WELL.... BLUE_FLAME.... THEY SO..... HELP ME OUT WITH A WORD FOR PEOPLE THAT CANNOT GRASP REALITY.... LOL!
@ cutenkinky.. I took the time to research other candidates. I voted for McKinney. So many people didn’t even know that other candidates were running. They let the media dictate everything to them. Some one even mentioned McKinney wasn’t on the ballot in their home state but a knowledgeable person would know you can write in a candidates name on a ballot. So many people became so caught up in the hype of having a “black president” I don’t think they were paying attention ************** Lol! I ‘m glad to know that I am thought of in my absence. Yes, I am reading this cheap *** and the claims that you are making toward me and my girl Storm Zoe and it is about as cheesy as your screen name. Stop fooling these people on here . My candidate of choice was Barrack Obama , so why would I choose to “write in” Cynthia McKinney’s name? I clearly stated to you in that archived posts that you are referencing that I had no idea whom you were referring to. First of all you only used her last name. Just like in today’s post you are only using her last name.."McKinney". Please make it clear to the bloggers that you voted for "Cynthia Mckinney" for President. Are you ashamed? I live in Atlanta sweetheart and while I am VERY familiar with Cynthia McKinney, her qualifications for president as well as her controversial personality causes her to fall well below the standards for the office of president. This women did not campaign in my state , nor did she hold press conferences, rallies, or participate in any debates. SO now , is it my job to seek her out? Unlike you, I am not a follower of some extremist or cult. I voted based on the information provided to me. I did not vote based on color! Cynthia McKinney is a person of color, we could accuse you of the same thing. Don’t be so judgemental. You should really learn to spread love instead of division and hate! Everyday it's always something with you. You comment soley to create controversy and draw attention to yourself!
@fupeople
Yea they time would be better spent on the ACLU. I live in Brooklyn and they have reps out here campaigning and taking up money to make sure Obama delivers like he promised. And these are his supporters! Nobody is that *** naive, we still expect him to do his job and not just be a rockstar. Point blank, he's here so get used to it!
@BLUE_FLAME.... I MEAN, TO EACH HIS OR HER OWN, THEY CAN SAY WHAT THEY WANNA SAY, THEY ARE INTITLED TO THEIR "OPINION" CAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT IS. BUT THEY CANNOT EXCAPE THAT FACT THAT OBAMA GOT THIS, POINT BLANK PERIOD. AGAIN, THEY CAN TALK ABOUT ALL THESE "WHAT IFS" IF THEY WANT.... BE CLARENCE THOMAS GUEST, HELL, THEY CAN SIT ON OL' CLARENCE LAP AND CRY ABOUT IT FOR ALL I CARE.
THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT IS.... OBAMA IS IN.
this man is so jealous of mr. obama he can't see straight..i guess he feels that he has been kissing the white mans a.ss for so long and then here comes this beautiful fair skinned black man that he feel is stealing his shine...cause you already know that dark skinned brothas can't stand a light skinned brotha, but i must say that its not your fault that you feel this way. i just pray that one day that we can all love one another no matter what color we are and how much we have...HATRED IS AN UGLY BEAST, GET RID OF IT!!!
DoYourResearch
Also, I wasn't a big Barack supporter though he is much better than McCain in his ability to relate to people, his policies are another story. But I think if you want to be all upset about a Supreme Court Justice upholding the Constitution and reviewing a case that has been filed against Obama in many states prior to now, I think you should be more upset that more [EXPLETIVE] who are not mixed and are actually descended from slaves were not in position to run. Not just in Congress or in the Senate, as we have rich white people who run all the time. Why do [EXPLETIVE] have to settle to the chitlin's Massa gave them? Why wasn't our first president descended from parents from Detroit and Watts? Jacksonville and D.C.? Or Memphis and Atlanta? Why are we so happy about A white woman from Hawaii and a Kenyan hookin' up? When our next president is Mexican or Asian and some other race... Would we really have gotten our turn? After 400 years.... This is it? Or do we have another black personal in line run after his term? Think more and stop taking factless websites as truth. You might learn something.
I signed up today just to respond to the overwhelming *** of 99% of these comments.
Keepin' It Pimpin'...
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Oh really ....you signed up today "to respond to the overwhelming ***" . Well thank God for that (cough)!
Your validation of a Black candidate for President of the U.S.,requiring them to be a descendant of Black American slaves, is foolish.Who is more qualified to be Black, the descendants of slaves or the family of the captured slaves left behind in the motherland. Honestly I feel you are a white provocateur attempting to divide and conquer the MTO readers ....but I'll play along none-the-less.
Would the first woman who ran for President in the United States ,Shirley Chisholm, who was black ,be disqualified African American status by you simply because she was born to West Indian parents;who immigrated to America. How many generations must all the children of West Indian and African parents,who immigrate to America wait before they qualify as being full African Americans in YOUR book. Have you forgotten or DID YOU EVEN KNOW that many Black folks who remained in Africa were also enslaved and ALL with the exception of Ethiopians were colonized. Colonized and forced to work for the benefit of white Europeans. Segregation ended in South Africa more then twenty years later after the United States.Go ask the people of South Africa,the Congo and Zimbabwe ( formally Rhodesia) about slavery and tell them how easy they had it....then prepare to run LOL. The East Africans ( where Kenya is located FYI) were enslaved by the white Arabs prior to the beginning of the West African slave trade. They're ancestors are spread out through the Middle East to this day.The bottom line is the African American experience,although stark differences existed, is not 100% different to what the continental Africans experienced at the hands of the Europeans.
Lastly YT didn't give you anything you HAD TO ACCEPT.Cynthia McKinney ran for Pres during the past election. Al ***,Alan Keyes ,Jesse Jackson, Shirley Chisholm and Carol Mosely-Braun have all run in the past and I'm sure they'll be others. We can't take credit as American Blacks for the great history of the Nubians,Egyptian,Zulus,Ashantis,and those of the Mali dynasties ( "Mandingo" ) and then say well if you're not a descendant of a Black American slaves your not down. It has to be a two way street.
@fupeople, I know we don't have a good history but I do want to say that you have a VERY VALID POINT. Obama is our next president, there is no if's ands or buts about it. America has spoken. Some don't like to be spoken for and that's why we have the elections when it comes to this matter. He was in fact born in the United States OF AMERICA bur some people are so blind to the fact, maybe because thery are not finished being sour that Barack is indeed, our next president. My mom used to tell me, "Don't cry over spilled milk". Well, it seems as though Clarence and some people that are posting are STILL DOING JUST THAT. What's the purpose behind that, really? Get over it, already. HI BLUE_FLAME!
Do you honestly believe that his past and history has not been thoroughly searched through with a magnifying glass...i mean mccain was not born in the us, but he ran for presidency. People have the right to believe what the heck they want to believe, but don't try to push your beliefs onto other people.
stormzoe
I do believe Obama was born in Kenya. Someone told me that Obama's mother was 18 when he was born. The other part of the law you posted "allegedly" says she needed to be 19 for her child to be a US citizen. This is the source of all the controversy. Does anyone have any details on this 19 year old age limit. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
So what about all those children over the decades that are born to teens under the age of nineteen ? Did we just ship them off to the moon?
@ blueline...
That link you provided is for a certificate of birth and it was made available during the campaign by his aids, on his websites..etc..
I voted for Obama..and could care less..but the argument has been raised, and you have to be fair.. over 100,000 people signed a petition to see something a little more ligitimate than this certificate of birth. They are ssying that the authentic *** can be requested by him through vital records at a cost of 12.00. He should present that to the courts or the United states senate, the same way that the other presidential candidates did, and this will *** down the argument..as it did for the others. the question is ...why won't he do that? this is why the controversy is ongoing... and getting out hand! I see nothing wrong with being sure, so that blacks and americans as a whole...won't stand to be even more embarrassed down the road.
stormzoe
I do believe Obama was born in Kenya. Someone told me that Obama's mother was 18 when he was born. The other part of the law you posted "allegedly" says she needed to be 19 for her child to be a US citizen. This is the source of all the controversy. Does anyone have any details on this 19 year old age limit. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
So what about all those children over the decades that are born to teens under the age of nineteen ? Did we just ship them off to the moon?
GOOD ONE!!!!! Well Stormzoe, what do you have to say to that?
@360<<<<
"Someone please correct me but I don't think Justice Thomas can force anything on the supreme court. I don't overstand you so called black conservatives and why you continue to try force your views on the rank and file. The black masses have flourished without your brand of enlightenment for centuries.@DO YOUR RESEARCH Your statements regarding Obamas bloodline are stinging but true. I think people are happy in general to see anything other than a white middle aged man as president and interpret Obamas election as a significant *** in racial attitudes in this country. @MISSDANIBABY 2 maybe someone from our tribe will rise to the presidency in the next 100 years. Most of our people in the diaspora and from this country don't have that third eye open to even see what the election of Obama means. Even if an African American is elected they'll probably be from one of the negro illumanti groups." --------------------------------------
DO SPEAK FAM! YOU ARE ON POINT! WE (BLACK PEOPLE) HAVE TO GET THAT THIRD EYE OPEN...REAL TALK. THE MACHINATIONS AND BEHIND-THE-SCENES ACTION BEHIND THE OBAMA ELECTION IS WAY DEEPER AND SIGNIFICANT THAN WHAT MEETS THE EYE. BUT WHATEVER IT TAKES TO MAKE FOLKS FEEL MOLLIFIED AND PUT THEM BACK TO SLEEP...RIGHT? SMH.
LIKE I SAID BEFORE, I'M VERY PROUD OF MY BOY OBAMA AND GLADLY VOTED FOR HIM, BUT I'M NOBODY'S BLIND FOOL EITHER. YA DIG? AND YOU ARE SO RIGHT ABOUT THE BLACK ILLUMINATI HAVING INFLUENCE. MOST FOLKS THINK THAT ONLY CAUCASIANS CAN HAVE MEMBERSHIP, WHICH IS NOT ENTIRELY TRUE...THEIR ARE A FEW SECTS THAT HAVE INFILTRATED CERTAIN LINEAGES OF AFRICAN DESCENT.
BUT YO, NOT TRYING TO GET TOO DEEP UP IN HERE, CAUSE YOU KNOW SOME OF THE UNENLIGHTENED WILL BE TRYING TO CALL A SISTAH A CONSPIRACY THEORIST AND ***. LOL. BUT I SEE YOU OUT THERE FAM...KEEP PREACHING THAT TRUTH!
P.S. I'M DIGGING YOUR AVI AS WELL. WHITE FOLKS BEEN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW THOSE GIANT "AFROCENTRIC" HEADS LANDED IN SOUTH AMERICA FOR YEARS! LOL
@Blue_Flame, me and fupeople been at it for I don't know how long, really. But when someone makes a good, valid point, I put the craziness away and agree, I don't see it any other way. I'm sure though, that other topics may come up when we may bump heads and that's cool, cause I know at the end of the day, she done forgot about it and so have hi. I agree to disagree, so does she, I learned that over time! ;-) But she has a good point there, really. People can argue till they are blue in the face about Barack, but HE IS OUR NEXT PRESIDENT.
@the way
guess what this is a mans world and it so happens to be a white mans world...do you honestly think they would elect a black man that is dark with a huge nose, big lips and not so slick hair, get elected into their white world..obama used what the hell he had and worked it...its a shame that people sleep on this man the way that they do. you don't think that obama didn't way them options. you don't think that obama worked this sh.it the way most white politicians have for decades....GET THE F.UCK OVER IT!!!! OBAMA IS OUR PRESIDENT....
FURTHER MORE THIS COUNTRY IS SOOO FU.CKED UP AT THIS MOMENT AND YOU ALL CAN'T GET OVER THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE A BLACK PRESIDENT RATHER THAN WORRY ABOUT IF YOU WOULD HAVE YOUR JOB TOMORROW...GRANTED YOU MAY BE A LITTLE SCARED AND WORRIED AND YOU SHOULD BE, NOT BECAUSE YOUR PRESIDENT IS BLACK THOUGH, BUT BECAUSE YOUR WHITE PRESIDENT, MR. BUSH, FU.CKED UP YOUR ECONOMY....NOW WHEN THIS BLACK MAN STRAIGHTEN THIS SH.IT UP, I TRULY HOPE THAT YOU WILL SHOW HIM SOME RESPECT...
BEAUTIFULB!
good post..but it is not about a belief. i voted for Obama and i like him. i wish this would go away. And It would, if he would simply just pay 10 bucks.. fly to Honolulu and provide an authentic birth certificate, so that he can *** these dam folks up..this would all be over with.Why let it continue to hang over his head?? Don't get me wrong..I so agree that Clarence is jealous..etc..but it is not about Clarence! He is being used as the scape goat . what better person to present it to the courts than another black man? If a white man does it he will be called a racist? SO they use Clarence Thomas to do the job. Now we blacks, sit here and call Mr Thomas an uncle Tom? lol. Personally, All i want is the cold hard facts! WHen i enrolled my child in school i had to present an authentic birth certificate with the seal. When you photo copy the *** , the watermarks wear off, as well as the seal. Obama needs to provide the courts with a birth certificate in hand. Due to privacy laws no one else is allowed to request one or obtain it themselves.. so he has to. What's the big deal? why won't he?
@ stormzoe....
as the old folks say...something in the milk ain't clean?? ha haha
yeah, you right. i originally voted Hillary. Then i voted Obama in the general. I been reading up on this stuff, and if it were me i'd give it to them because. They are saying that he was born in Kenya, and that 2 days later she flew him to the states and registered him the live birth certificate that is posted. The autthentic certificate as we all know is more detailed. smdh
