: R&B siger FRANK OCEAN took to Tumblr to COME OUT as a gay/downlow man. We call him a "downlow" dude because Frank is always on twitter taking about "h*es" . . . so he's cleary still MESSING WITH WOMEN.
Anyways, he wrote a GAY LOVE STORY, about how he first FELL IN LOVE with a man. The man in the story he claims is "19 years old" but people on Twitter are saying that the dude he's talking about is OLDER, and a popular rapper.
Read it for yourself.
4 summers ago, I met somebody. I was 19 years old. He was too. We spent that summer, and the summer after, together. Everyday almost. And on the days we were together, time would glide. Most of the day I'd see him, and his smile. Sleep I would often share with him. By the time I realised I was in love, it was malignant. It was hopeless.There was no escaping, no negotiating to the women I had been with, the ones I cared for and thought I was in love with.
"I sat there and told my friend how I felt. I wept as the words left my mouth. I grieved for then. Knowing I could never take them back for myself. He patted my back. He said kind things. He did his best, but he wouldn't admit the same.
He had to go back inside soon. It was late and his girlfriend was waiting for him upstairs. He wouldn't tell the truth about his feelings for me for another 3 years. I felt like I'd only imagined reciprocity for years.
Now imagine being thrown from a cliff. No, I wasn’t on a cliff. I was still in my car telling myself it was gonna be find and to take deep breaths. I took the breaths and carried on. I kept up a peculiar friendship with him because I couldn’t imagine keeping up my life without him. I struggled to master myself and my emotions. I wasn’t always successful.
The dance went on. I kept the rhythm for several summers after. It’s winter now. I’m typing this on a plane back to Los Angeles from New Orleans. I flew home for another marred Christmas. I have a windowseat.
It’s December 27, 2011. By now I’ve written two albums. This being the second. I wrote to keep myself busy and sane. I wanted to create worlds that were rosier than mine. I tried to channel overwhelming emotions. I’m surprise at how far all of it has taken me. Before writing this I’d told some people my story. I’m sure these people kept me alive, kept me safe. Sincerely, these are the folks I wanna thank from the floor of my heart. Everyone of you knows who you are.
Great humans, probably angels. I don’t know what happens now. And that’s alrite. I don’t have any secrets I need kept anymore. There’s probably some small shit still, but you know what I mean. I was never alone, as much as it felt like it. As much as I still do sometimes. I never was. I don’t think I ever could be. Thanks.
To my first love, I’m grateful for you. Grateful that even thought it wasn’t what I hoped for and even thought it was never enough, it was. Some things never are. And we were. I won’t forget you. I won’t forget the summer. I’ll remember who I was when I met you. I’ll remember who you were and how we’ve both changed and stayed the same. I’ve never had more respect for life and living than I have right now. Maybe it takes a near death experience to feel alive. Thanks.
To my mother. You raised me strong. I know I’m only brave because you were first. So thank you. All of you. For everything good. I feel like a free man. If I listen closely, I can hear the sky falling too.
that was interesting..actually i kinda enjoyed it.Im happy he doesnt have 2 hide anymore.People gonna tlk there $hit bt im SURE frank aint listen.Most people dont understand what that burden feels like because they are not in that situation.Also it matter f***in matter what race you are.White,Purple,Blue,Green...it DL brothas everywhere*smh*.A$$hole!!!!!
I'm a Christian and I'm no a *** rights supporter. But I don't care either way. What he does is his business. In my opinion he is brave for broadcasting that information I think that speaks volumes about his character. Unfortunately most will point out the negative that he maybe ***. While first and foremost they should look at how great a musician he is.
MTO.....WTF?????? DO Y'ALL EVEN READ????? Frank said HE was 19 at the time...not the other person. Not once did he even elude to it being a celebrity, let alone a rapper that y'all "know" (cuz you CLEARLY don't know any celebrities personally). Why can't this guy just finally live in his truth without you all having to drudge up something that probably has nothing to do with it. It's for this very reason that a lot of people are scared to do so. I think it's actually pretty disgusting the YOU (the owner/operator of this site) are a *** man yourself and are so quick to disrespect, out, and embarass others who share the same preference. I'm almost done with you MTO...almost done...
Well He Should be Straight.... Like Jesus... The Man who hung around other men all day that I get on my knees every *** to confess my love too!!! DON'T BE HAPPY WITH YOURSELF!!! MY 2000 YEAR OLD MANMADE BOOK THAT WAS FORCED ON MY ANCESTORS SAYS IT WAS WRONG!!! I KNOW THERE'S [EXPLETIVE] RAPPERS TALK ABOUT THAT ACTUALLY HURT PEOPLE... BUT PEOPLE BEING THEMSELVES IS THE ONLY THING I ACTUALLY PREACH AGAINST!!!
C'mon man... Who cares what dumb black *** think? THEY WORSHIP A BOOK THAT SAY'S THEY ARE LESS THAN A MAN AND NOT AN EQUAL... So according to the Bible... Should I value their opinion?
The fact of the matter is you're reading from a MAN WRITTEN FAIRY TALE that has NO IDEA of what natural population control is...
BTW.... God told me last *** that Christian women should bow down and suck the sweat off my ***.... so since God said it to me, and I wrote it in a book... YOU HAVE TO DO IT BECAUSE IT IS REALLY GOD
BTW: What about the KKK Members who believed God was telling them to hold black folks back in the 50s? You are LESS ignorant than them... LMAO!!!
By the way... GOD talked to me last *** and said Christian women should suck the sweat off my *** on a daily basis... And since I wrote it in a book YOU KNOW it has to really be God!
MTO where did Kanye come into play in this story?? You guys are so dumb and learn how to spell illiterate fools!! He's *** so what he still is a good musician you can't judge a person because they don't live like you. He chose his lifestyle and I'm glad he was strong enough to tell it to the world it took heart and I hope his fans accept him for the person he is. On another note if your looking to get a booty like Nicki Minaj check my blog out. I've been using natural yodi pill products and have gained 4 inches on my *** in a month yodidreambody.blogspot.com
ppl in Sodom & Gomorrah thought that God loved them too & U n*-----rrs R going to get far worst then what the lord dish out to them..............................JUDGEMENT COMETH TO ALL...............DEVIL WORSHIPERS, 2/3RDS. *** RAPPERS, COONS, EDOMITES & THE WHOLE ENTIRE BAAL PAGAN CHRISTIAN CHURCH..............................UR the disease on this earth & the reason why God is angry at us................as soon as Jesus (YESHUA) comes to separate all nations....................Our Israelite family can begin to heal & B the powerful ppl we were meant to B........... all praises to the most high God of Israel
you guys are so simple-minded. To me it sounds like a self-realization poem. It sounds as if that was the point in his life where he finally came to terms with his love for himself after struggling with self-hatred. If you know anything about poetry, it wouldn't be that straight forward. Especially coming from someone like Frank Ocean who's known for thought provoking lyrics. smh at you all.
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ohhhh lawd that was so ***.*** funny
I thank you for my laugh of the day
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Topic I stopped reading when realized was spelled wrong Went to da second bunch of wordz put togetha cause clearly thats not a paragraph
I grieved for then..instead of them
Thats MTO slow *** staff that put this shi.t togetha
this the most remedial site Ive ever known to be on the staff can see or read for nothin *** da *** world lmao
*** the Sylvan Learning Center got tutors for 100 *** dollars yall need to look into that.
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Umm the term downlow refers to someone who is unable to come to terms with their sexuality so they have straight relationships as well as *** ***. They do not consider themselves *** because the *** acts are purely carnal, not romantic. This young man appears to be very open about the emotional connection he felt toward his first love, and is openly declaring his bisexuality or ***. Whatever he is, it does not take ANYTHING away from his talent as a singer or songwriter. Its disgusting the open displays of *** mto "reports" on a daily basis, and even worse what some people use to comment. I am sure that we all do some things behind closed doors that may not tickle everyones fancy, but it does not affect our abilities to be productive human beings. Whether u agree with *** or not, does nothing to diminish him as an artist. Kudos to this young man for being brave and I personally wish him much success in his career and happiness in his life.
For get every thing else, his writing skills are excellent. That was well written and engaging. So what, ladies ..... I know a guy who openly sleeps with men and women and yes, the women are aware. He also tells me that many of the women embrace his sexuality. I tell my my young girlfriends all the time, you ladies in your early 20s need to be extra careful with the men out here because most of them were raised with out their fathers and have lots of feminine ways. A majority of these guys out here were raised by women. I.e, mothers, grandmothers , aunties even sisters just like my friend, he was raised by a women. Why do you think its so many *** black men walking around? And, most black men are not down low anymore they are out loud and proud... however, their are some that can not bare the stigma. at the *** parade in NYC, i seen some fine brothers and they were *** and not thinking about me which is fine but, i was happy to see them not hiding it and being who they are. but, *** get more respect then blacks? its the new civil rights movement... pay attention and get used to it. and yes, I beige Kanye got a little sugar in his tank with his crazy ***...
A couple of years ago, this guy called up Wendy Williams show and talked about a rap artist from def-jam that he met in the summer and was hanging tough with. But Jay Z threaten to hold off on release of his music if he kept hanging out with him. Four years later Frank Ocean telling the same story!!!! Wow
Downlow and closeted are two different things. I feel he was closeted. In a perfect world, people can realize they're *** and be comfortable living their lives. This isn't a perfect world and it isn't that easy. If this is true(take everything I read on mto with a grain if salt) then congratulations to him for being able to finally not have to hide that part of him
I have come to the realization that this particular topic for discussion is solely put forth for M.T.O. "hits." I also have come to the realization that there are two bloggers (a female and a male) who disguise themselves as other bloggers to drive the hits.
I stand on everything I previously said and will not change my viewpoints, so some people need to accept them or keep moving--plain and simple. Pulling everything out of the closet (various sins) does not give this particular sin a pass, so it important for the people who are comparing sins to know that they need to neatly put everything back in the closet when they completely analyze things--nobody wants to look at or step over trash all day. Also, to try to surmise which bloggers are committing a particular sin is fruitless, especially if you do not personally know them, but in the case of this particular topic, this person shone the light on himself, so he willingly opened himself up to the so-called bible thumpers. Now whether he or anyone in this type of situation open their ears to hear what the bible thumpers think or say is their choice-- not the masses. Somebody please turn up T.I.'s song, You Don't Know Me.
very talented artist and I am still a fan of his music regardless of his *** sexuality, the dude has a gift and he makes amazing music for not only himself but other artist as well
if you was a fan before this you should still be a fan after the fact
this is great marketing and promotion for his album tho lol
OMG! He's such a handsome guy with so much intellect and talent! Why in the hell is this brotha a ***? The Devil is the father of lies and confusion! OMG! I am floored at this news. How very unnatural for a grown man to lust after another man like a woman! How disgusting and foul it is! I'm praying for this brotha to get it right and rebuke that demon out of his spirit and mind, and get him a beautiful woman to the natural order as God intended man and woman to be!
OMG! I can not believe this handsome, talented and intelligent brotha is a ***? What in the Jesus is happening to brothas, desiring a man like a woman? That is terribly out of the order and nature the way God laid out for his creation of man and woman! I can't believe it! That is disgusting, foul and a serious time for Jesus to come in one's life and intervein like now! The Devil is the father of lies and confusion, any method he can use against God to destroy man, he will! I'm praying for this brotha to rebuke that Demon out of his spirit and mind, so he can follow and live in the realm of nature with a good black woman, as God perfectly designed man and woman!
I'm sorry but SlyWhiteGuy has *** this thread smooth DOWN for the rest of the day. Then when somebody says the truth then you are being racist or whatever because it's the TRUTH and they just don't want to hear it. YOU are RIGHT! I couldnt agree with you more...EVERYTHING you said was right! They use women BIG TIME!
Every female applauding would not be if you were one of the victims he subjected to this down low life style. Yay! He came out ... good for him but it's not cool and nasty to mislead women into thinking you're straight when you knew the whole time you like d!ck. Who cares down low, closet it's all ***!t keep it real from the beginning. Now if he hasn't dealt with females this whole time then I can respect him but if he mislead to cover up his ***. Thats not cool matter how you look at it. Ijs
Poor MTO always taking part of a story and running with it. You guys love Kanye so much you are willing to throw him in a story just to make it sound interesting. I don't know if Kanye is *** or not,he does have an ego problem, loves fashion and is childish,but that doesn't make him ***. STOP JUMPING THE GUN MTO and do your research.
*** MEN ARE NOT THE MAIN PROBLEM IN AMERICA!!!....MOST OF YOU FEMALES THAT COSIGN *** ARE TOO STUPID TO REALIZE THAT SOCIETY AND ESPECIALLY STRAIGHT MEN LOOK AT FEMALES AS INFERIOR TO MEN and only here to make babies but otherwise UNNECESSARY!!!
99.9 PERCENT OF you FEMALES out here SHOWING YOUR BODIES and all YOUR CRACKS & CREVICES to the world LIKE A BYTCH IN HEAT REALLY DO NEED TO BE *** CAUSE (as you can tell from the comments) you females are too emtional for your own good and REALLY ARE JUST AGAINST *** MEN BECAUSE IT RUINS YOUR CHANCES AT GETTING A REAL MAN!!!...
I only joined this trashy and uncooth to tell every idiot and immoral editor that Frank Ocean is not, was not, and obviously never will be "DL". He is bisexual and is fully capable of being monogamous. Stop associating bisexual men to insecure, cowardly, abominable disease ridden/prone men known as the "DL".
@slywhiteguy and his followers --- An entire group of people (Moorish men) cannot be generalized as *** because the HIV/AIDS rate is elevated in our community. HIV/AIDS is the lasting effect of low red blood cells (cause) which stems from poor dieting. Poor dieting and stress are attributes caused by The Secret Treaty of Verona; the cause of all social-economic issues in our communities. Sure, there are DL/*** men in our communities spreading disease to our women but there are just as many Caucasians doing the same (donât get it twisted). Remember, we (Moors) taught you (Europeans) the seven liberal arts including civics aka civilization. We taught you because it was our duty as Mothers and Fathers of civilization to purge you from filthy living, ***, and *** being practiced in the Caucasus Mountains of Europe. Your culture is Our culture because you have none. Learn history beyond contemporary European theory my Albion brother.
@Zoup......You must mean HIV is spread easily through anal *** you couldnt possible mean it comes from Anal ***.... Your post sounds ***... This is 2012 not 1989.... *** are killing people uhmm no not really their aids count has been on the decline while African Americans has been rising... *** have a higher rate of trauma and emotional and sexual abuse nobody even wants to talk about they like to ignore the dysfunction..... Aids is not just a *** disease more blacks have Aids now more than ever and at the end of the day you cant blame it all on bisexuals, straight men not caring and spreading aids hits a lot blacks, men not going to the doctor sleeping with younger women no one even accounts for that fact... Hell black females with low partner counts in a relationship were getting hit with disease due to their men behaviors. People in relationships. Male and female. The only reason they have so many good stats on women is because black women go to the doctor more than black men.... HIV is included not only in man to man but also straight men sleeping with all kinds of different women without condoms. Black males brag about sleeping with prostitutes, strippers and all other women no matter how high or low grade even low grade women of other races because a diseased chick from other races sleeping with black men are always left out of scenerio too and a lot of other races diseased interracially date.... FACT blacks dont want to talk about. There upgrades arent really upgrades more like passed around ***. Know your numbers and get tested.
All I'm Gonna say is black people are so ignorant and closed minded ! I know it took some serious courage. All you cracking jokes about it Gtfo and grow up. I can't stand you fake Christians. Preach Jesus this that. But y'all the same folks who have 3 baby mamas and *** without being married! Gtfo. No sin is greater then the next. That is all. So do you Frank you are still amazing
A MESSAGE TO MR. SHY WHITE GUY, THE ONLY REASON AND I DO MEAN ONLY REASON THE "WE" HAVE A HIGH HIV/AIDS RATE IS BECAUSE OF BLACKS INTERMINGLING WITH WHITE, THAT DISEASE IS WELL *** TO HAVE ORIGINATED FROM [EXPLETIVE], SORRY I MEAN EUROPEANS, WHITE MEN ARE THE ONES WHO CREATED AND NOW CARRYING IT EVERYWHERE WORLDWIDE AND THEN BLAMING ALL OTHER RACES, WHITES HAVE ALSO BEEN *** WAY BEFORE THE TIMES OF ROME READ THE BIBLE IDIOT, YA DADDY IS MORE THAN LIKELY *** AND BEEN WANTING TO F__K IF HE HASN'T ALREADY AND MORE THAN ANYTHING YOU WANT A BIG, FAT, OVERSIZED TREE TRUNK LIKE US OR YOU WANT ONE IN YA A__ SO YOU CAN CONTINUE SPREADING IT YOU YA FILTHY BEAST!!!
In response to slywhiteguy's comment.. First and foremost,...get your facts straight and do some research before babbling useless,and unfounded rhetoric on The Most visited "URBAN" Website In The World. If you wanna feel superior in intellect to anyone then maybe you should step outside the door of that trailer you live in and see if anybody lends an ear to the nonsense that you spew. According to an April 2012 HIV/ADS study conducted by the CDC, focusing primarily on African American, Asian, Hispanic, and white women, within one year of joining the study, 0.24 percent of white women tested positive for the disease. That rate is five times higher than the CDC's previous estimate of HIV rates in black American women. Again, get your facts straight. And you sound doubly ignorant by saying that "most" black guys are closet ***. What then, can be said about the whites who, make *** innuendos at their peers, touch each other inappropriately, have *** envy, wear their clothing super tight " to attract mates", and have *** with their siblings? Are they to blame for the alarmingly high rate of HIV?AIDS in YOUR community? The same could be said about that class of people could it not? But then it would come off as sounding just as stereotypical as that racist jibberish that you're on here spewing, am I right? And if you feel the need to say..."NOT trying to sound racist"..chances are...you're a f$%@&g racist. Though this is a forum created and intended for everyone to exercise their right to free speech, the thing that I'm not very fond of is closet *** who all themselves slywhiteugy and hide behind a PC to defame others and promote their racist ideals on an urban website. Cowardice at its finest...but then again, that's what racism is all about isn't it? Cowardice? Just a word of advice ***...keep hiding behind that PC and never ever...ever ever ever repeat any of that *** outside of your trailer park. Not that you would have the *** to anyway...racist *** p#$$y.
So MTO , ya'll are trying to say he was talking about Kanye? So in 2006 , Kanye was the same age as him? Last time I've checked , Kanye was 35 , and Frank was 24. And you call him a "downlow" dude because he still messes with women? It's called BISEXUAL you dumb ***. His sexual orientation *** matter because he makes beautiful music , he wrote songs for Justin Bieber , Beyonce , Brandy and even John Legend. You guys are so focused on his sexual orientation when he is one of the most naturally talented people out currently.
So , let's grow the *** up and let this dude continue to make great music.
Beautiful story, very moving! MORE POWER TO YOU FRANK OCEAN! If you love men and women that is your business. Some people are made that way, it's natural, you're a child of GOD/DESS, you have real talent, and you should never feel ashamed. Be true to who you are and do your thing! And please write more, that story was really really moving, it almost made me cry! LOVED IT!
First off, if *** are supposedly born *** then why didn't this dude figure it out until he was 19 yrs old? I mean he had a girlfriend and everything and I'm sure he was *** her so what now is he bisexual? Ok so let me get this straight, he likes p.ussy and d.ick? How does that work?
For those of you that say "so what, whatever he does or whoever he likes is his business", answer me something: If you knew two *** guys that had a daycare down the street from you, would you let your kids go there? your sons?
Also, if *** is ok then is ***. By some people's logic then it should be, because who cares who or what a person is attracted to. After all they are born that way, right? So if a person likes to *** dogs, horses and sheep then that should be fine.
I'm not even quoting the Bible, I'm quoting the laws of nature. Two males can't reproduce.
I have some more question's. Please help me out with them. If a *** likes her female partner strap on a rubber d.ick and *** her then does that mean that she likes d.ick or what? Or is it that she likes women with fake d.icks? Or does she really like hermaphrodites? When a woman or man who marries and has kids with someone of the opposite *** for years then starts *** someone of the same *** were they born *** or weren't they? I mean really what's up with that chit. Why do I care? Because lines are getting blurred. If we don't have any standards sh.it will run amok. The strong would be able to just take from the weak. I would be able to just take the *** and r.ape a b.itch. Going by some of your logic, if someone is attracted to children then they were born that way and people should just leave them alone.
Also I'm not *** so I don't want a *** guy rubbing up on me in a club. I will knock a M'fr out, quick. Do I have to wear a sign saying that I'm not ***. I don't want to mess with a female that thought it was ok to *** a *** dude. Or Bi or whatever you call it. Apparently females are OK with messing with a dude that is Bi. And what the f.uck is Bi again? Are you born liking p.ussy and d.ick? Again, the lines that nature has drawn are getting blurred.
Also if being *** is so natural and nothing is wrong with it why hasn't it caught on in all these years the earth has existed? Why do you have to be in the closet or secret about it? If it so "prideful" why don't dudes just proclaim publicly that the only way they can achieve sexual gratification is by having an erect phallus penetrating their rectum? Or doing that to someone. It should be a thing of pride for them because it's in their nature.
Please someone clarify some of this for me.
*** is an abomination to God.... People, don't flip this like this is some feel good moment, you should pray for him. But as per the Most High, creator of this world, Frank Ocean will burn for eternity. This is what happens when you don't fear God. Fear him, and obey him....for eternal damnation is a long *** time.
Sad & pitiful that he was pining for a man that had a girlfriend waiting upstairs......Why not fall for a man that's as *** as you!! Alot of the these downlow *** always try playing mind games with straight men, thats what disgusts me. If your *** your ***, fine, but go to a Fcuking *** club and mix with your own!!!
Please the whole music industry is filled with ***. Sh!t look at the BET awards, like Miguel, this niqqa had a red suit on like The Harlot with a perm. Usher had some skinny pants on with some *** ass red shoes. Soulja Boy ol *** ass crying like a niqqa watching the movie The Notebook or Dumbo, balling and sh!t. Is that niqqa on estrogen pills or something. Them lil *** ass niqqas mindless behavior, now these niqqas is B2K 2.0. Out of 4 of them niqqas 3 of them niqqas ***, them niqqas care about their hair more than Beyonce. No need to mention Kanye, that niqqa a *** fish who need to come out with Frank.
(I speak as a man)...forreal man...this is silly...you brothas *** sistas *** clean lepers should think of how to stop feeding this spirit...you brothas *** sistas *** clean lepers who have this spirit should stop feeding what is destroying you, and alowing others in the world to feed that beast; however it comes it is destroying you somehow...only you know. Step out of the world for a few days; cut that punkazz TV off, crash the computer, smash the radio, if you must listen to music, find some without words...When you are at home close your eyes, when out and about, close your mouth and watch the world as you meditate on righetousness and repent, because it is in you...or
...YOU CAN STAY IN THE WORLD AND DIE WITH THE WORLD...WHATEVER YOU CHOOSE...DO NOT WASTE TIME, FOR SOON RIGHTEOUSNESS WILL BEAT ALL WICKEDNESS INTO PEICES, AS IF EVIL NEVER HAPPENED...
I AM SENT TO PROCLAIM...THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN IS AT HAND.
There are a lot of ignorant people on here and in the world in general, very few people are enlightened, some want to live with their noses in the bible but are not even fully following its so called rules to the letter, luckily there are rights in place for *** so they no longer have to live in fear of this ignorance and the blind followers who can incite others into violence, Frank should just take the positive with the negative but concentrate only on the positive and surround yourself with it and according to the letters, he has a lot of support and he will get more.
My heart does goes out to those people who were young and were preyed upon and turned out by someone older and is dealing with conflicting feelings that were forced upon them. I would suggest therapy for those that are dealing with something like that.
@ImOnFire First, does your name mean that you are flaming? Why are you mad? I was just asking questions. Obviously it struck a nerve. Can you help answer them?
"We spent summers together" "Sleep I would often share with him"! See, while Frank was falling in *** love other dude was on some "this my homie, cool to kick it with ish". Prolly thought of Frank as a BFF type...and was comfortable enough to fall asleep in dudes presence. Other boy wasn't on that *** *** at all. In my life I have never had a crush or feelings for the same ***! Never had sexual interest in none of my female friends...guess that makes me a strict heterosexual.
It is amazing how so many people have been brainwashed into believing that *** is okay. I ask you who is it acceptable to? Same *** has never been alright but white men have fooled hundreds of thousands into believing same *** relationships are normal. You follow the white man who *** our families throughout slavery.. and they *** babies, animals, same ***, their children, etc. but you trust them? So many of you will be led straight into the wine press because you trust in the white man.
Now you have successfully spreaded HIV/AIDS to each other even though you knew the person you laid with was suspected of cheating with males and/or females. You allowed your self-esteem issues to lead you into a health crisis where you now take a *** of pills everyday and you people continue that same irresponsible behavior while jumping in and out of bed with new partners because you find out the last one couldn't be trusted. What's worst is you now know you're positive and you continue to sleep around because you're angry someone infected you so you now want to infect as many as you can. You people are like a hurd of cattle and a pathetic waste of space.
In reply to: ChocBro I felt captivated and intrigued by your post and wanted to reply, with all due respect. You seem really genuine and I wanted to give you a heartfelt response. So here it goes. YOU WROTE: First off, if *** are supposedly born *** then why didn't this dude figure it out until he was 19 yrs old? MY RESPONSE: I totally relate to this question, because I wondered the same thing. I, myself, knew as early as age 2 that I liked boys. I knew I could not act out on it and be accepted by my family, but I definitely knew way before kindergarten. Boys have always fascinated me. YOU WROTE: Ok so let me get this straight, he likes p.ussy and d.ick? How does that work? MY RESPONSE: Another good question. I donât know exactly how that works; however, I empathize with the âbisexualâ man⦠since that, or the âstraightâ man, is the type of man Iâve normally been in connection with emotionally. Iâve never been involved with another *** man. In a recent college course, notwithstanding, I learned that bisexuality a very natural way of mankind from way backâ¦. Even before ***-sexuality. I guess that some men see past gender, and also, the âd.ckâ or the âp.ussyâ donât matter so much to them as the personâs mind does. YOU WROTE: If you knew two *** guys that had a daycare down the street from you, would you let your kids go there? your sons? MY RESPONSE: Definitely. In fact, I would trust my child with a *** man before I would a woman. I donât really know of any *** men (other than from other sectors on the news) who would violate a child sexually. It happens, based on the news, but I just donât see it in my own community or circle. True enough, there are many transient or promiscuous *** (same as there are trashy women-hookers and streetwalkers) who tend to give all *** a bad name. YOU WROTE: Also, if *** is ok then is ***. MY RESPONSE: Oh my God! I canât even begin to address that⦠because it is so unimaginable to me; therefore, I donât approve of â***.â I donât consider â***â as natural ***; that is not two human beings; that is having *** with a wild animal; that is uncivilized. YOU WROTE: Two males can't reproduce. MY RESPONSE: No they canât. Is that so wrong? There are also many straight men and women who cannot reproduce. But back to the menfolk: there are some men who are considered to be eunuchs. SPIRITUAL INSIGHT But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given. For there are some eunuchs, which where so born from their motherâs womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heavenâs sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it. [St. Matthew 19:11-12] MY THOUGHTS In the black community especially, there are such a high number of fatherless children, for one. After the structure of society in the years after the civil rights movement, things changed. In ***, people raise their children differently: kids are now raised playing video games that promote violence and war rather than engage in table games that promote love and unity and financial well beingâe.g., Monopoly, Checkers, Spades. I donât argue that technology is a good thing; however, the way people relate to it (the microwave generation) leaves them little room to sustain any kind of life with quality. To put it bluntly: it may be a blessing in disguise if fewer children were born into this situation (population control) because most of them end up in jail or either die young from stupidity. YOU WROTE: If a *** likes her female partner strap on a rubber d.ick and *** her then does that mean that she likes d.ick or what? Or is it that she likes women with fake d.icks? Or does she really like hermaphrodites? MY RESPONSE: Like I stated earlier in this same post, some people look past gender. I believe if a woman likes another woman (with a strap-on) to make love to her, it doesnât have so much to do with the âd.ckâ as it does the âmindâ behind the physical contact. A good mindf*ck is what I call it. In other words, if we talk good and we make each other smile and we enjoy each otherâs spirit, then more than likely weâre going to like intertwining our bodies⦠it has nothing to do with âd.ickâ or âp.ussyâ but the mental and emotional connection. The reason they use the strap-on, I suppose, is because it stimulates the G-spot (***) (or for men the prostate). YOU WROTE: When a woman or man who marries and has kids with someone of the opposite *** for years then starts *** someone of the same *** were they born *** or weren't they? I mean really what's up with that chit. MY RESPONSE: Over the decades and scores of my life I have met and known so many swarthy men who, because of how judgmental and nasty the community can be, have pretty much sacrificed their own happiness just to keep peace. In other words, a man who knows *** well he has stronger feelings for his buddy Tim than heâll ever have for his fiancé or wife Theresa, that heâll go ahead and marry Theresa. Sadly enough, black dudes do this out of ârespectâ or âhonorâ to the community; therefore, I give them that credit. (Better them, than me.) Not many are true to themselves. To put it bluntly: many brothers fight or deny their own true sexual identity. And after several years of marriage, after the kids get to be teenagers or grown, thereâs nothing else they have in common, Tim and Teresa (made-up names); therefore, the man acknowledges more his feelings for âTimâ or someone like Tim (because Tim has more than likely moved on to a dude who has accepted him as a same-*** partner, emotionally, etc.) YOU WROTE: If we don't have any standards sh.it will run amok. The strong would be able to just take from the weak. I would be able to just take the [EXPLETIVE] and r.ape a b.itch. MY RESPONSE: It has a lot to do with oneâs upbringing. SPIRITUAL INSIGHT I love them that love me; and those that seek me early shall find me. [Proverbs 8:17] MY THOUGHTS At a young age, with proper home training and Bible teaching, a person develops a good sense of right and wrong. I started learning about the Bible and Godâs love, and coloring and drawing Bible pictures before kindergarten. YOU WROTE: [I]f someone is attracted to children then they were born that way and people should just leave them alone. MY RESPONSE: That is called pedophilia. That is not a good thing; there are some sick people in this world, true enough. I donât automatically include such behavior in a topic on ***. *** is one thing; pedophilia is another. In other words, just because a person is *** does not make that person a pedophile, nor does it make that person a disease carrier. That would be a different topic of discussion, as far as Iâm concerned. YOU WROTE: Also I'm not *** so I don't want a *** guy rubbing up on me in a club. I will knock a M'fr out, quick. Do I have to wear a sign saying that I'm not ***. MY RESPONSE: I could very easily feel the same way each time a female comes and touches me or rubs against me. But I canât just put my hands on her to âknock her outâ because Iâd go to jail. I try to show more civility, yet let her know that Iâm not receptive to that gesture. Women do it on the job all the time⦠rub up against brothers or touch them. And trust me, many times it is much resented. If youâre an attractive person people are going to be attracted to you; itâs up to you and/or your home training in how you handle it. YOU WROTE: Also if being *** is so natural and nothing is wrong with it why hasn't it caught on in all these years the earth has existed? MY RESPONSE: Just like with civil rights coming to past, some people must fight for their rights to be recognized in society and/or at least respected as human beings. Black people had the same struggle⦠which is all the more bizarre that they would be the main ones to try and oppress others such as ***. Itâs what happens when you have freedom and, along with it, all types of people: black people, non-black people, *** people, non-*** people. SPIRITUAL INSIGHT And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand: [St. Matthew 12:25] YOU WROTE: Why do you have to be in the closet or secret about it? If it so "prideful" why don't dudes just proclaim publicly that the only way they can achieve sexual gratification is by having an erect phallus penetrating their rectum? MY RESPONSE: Because the people they must co-exist around (society) would try to lynch them⦠just like they did Negroes back in the 1950s and 1940s and years before. That is why many people donât come right out and admit that they are different or ***, because it would cause them many problems. I have been forced off of many good jobs all because I donât have a wife or girlfriend, trust me. I never told anyone I liked boys, they only assume because I am not married or have a girlfriend. (And I was always the most outstanding employee wherever Iâve been employed, with the most outstanding skills, job performance and work ethic⦠and have the commendation letters to prove it!) YOU WROTE: Please someone clarify some of this for me. MY RESPONSE: I hope I have clarified or satisfied your curiosities, at least to some degree. It was from the heart. It was an honor.
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In reply to: ChocBro
I felt captivated and intrigued by your post and wanted to reply, with all due respect. You seem really genuine and I wanted to give you a heartfelt response. So here it goes.
YOU WROTE: First off, if *** are supposedly born *** then why didn't this dude figure it out until he was 19 yrs old?
MY RESPONSE: I totally relate to this question, because I wondered the same thing. I, myself, knew as early as age 2 that I liked boys. I knew I could not act out on it and be accepted by my family, but I definitely knew way before kindergarten. Boys have always fascinated me.
YOU WROTE: Ok so let me get this straight, he likes p.ussy and d.ick? How does that work?
MY RESPONSE: Another good question. I donât know exactly how that works; however, I empathize with the bisexual man⦠since that, or the straight man, is the type of man Iâve normally been in connection with emotionally. Iâve never been involved with another *** man. In a recent college course, notwithstanding, I learned that bisexuality a very natural way of mankind from way backâ¦. Even before ***-sexuality. I guess that some men see past gender, and also, the d.ck or the p.ussy donât matter so much to them as the personâs mind does.
YOU WROTE: If you knew two *** guys that had a daycare down the street from you, would you let your kids go there? your sons?
MY RESPONSE: Definitely. In fact, I would trust my child with a *** man before I would a woman. I donât really know of any *** men (other than from other sectors on the news) who would violate a child sexually. It happens, based on the news, but I just donât see it in my own community or circle. True enough, there are many transient or promiscuous *** (same as there are trashy women-hookers and streetwalkers) who tend to give all *** a bad name.
YOU WROTE: Also, if *** is ok then is ***.
MY RESPONSE: Oh my God! I canât even begin to address that⦠because it is so unimaginable to me; therefore, I donât approve of ***. I donât consider *** as natural ***; that is not two human beings; that is having *** with a wild animal; that is uncivilized.
YOU WROTE: Two males can't reproduce.
MY RESPONSE: No they canât. Is that so wrong? There are also many straight men and women who cannot reproduce. But back to the menfolk: there are some men who are considered to be eunuchs.
SPIRITUAL INSIGHT
But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given. For there are some eunuchs, which where so born from their motherâs womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heavenâs sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it. [St. Matthew 19:11-12]
MY THOUGHTS
In the black community especially, there are such a high number of fatherless children, for one. After the structure of society in the years after the civil rights movement, things changed. In ***, people raise their children differently: kids are now raised playing video games that promote violence and war rather than engage in table games that promote love and unity and financial well beingâe.g., Monopoly, Checkers, Spades. I donât argue that technology is a good thing; however, the way people relate to it (the microwave generation) leaves them little room to sustain any kind of life with quality. To put it bluntly: it may be a blessing in disguise if fewer children were born into this situation (population control) because most of them end up in jail or either die young from stupidity.
YOU WROTE: If a *** likes her female partner strap on a rubber d.ick and *** her then does that mean that she likes d.ick or what? Or is it that she likes women with fake d.icks? Or does she really like hermaphrodites?
MY RESPONSE: Like I stated earlier in this same post, some people look past gender. I believe if a woman likes another woman (with a strap-on) to make love to her, it doesnât have so much to do with the d.ck as it does the mind behind the physical contact. A good mindf*ck is what I call it. In other words, if we talk good and we make each other smile and we enjoy each otherâs spirit, then more than likely weâre going to like intertwining our bodies⦠it has nothing to do with d.ick or p.ussy but the mental and emotional connection. The reason they use the strap-on, I suppose, is because it stimulates the G-spot (***) (or for men the prostate).
YOU WROTE: When a woman or man who marries and has kids with someone of the opposite *** for years then starts *** someone of the same *** were they born *** or weren't they? I mean really what's up with that chit.
MY RESPONSE: Over the decades and scores of my life I have met and known so many swarthy men who, because of how judgmental and nasty the community can be, have pretty much sacrificed their own happiness just to keep peace. In other words, a man who knows *** well he has stronger feelings for his buddy Tim than heâll ever have for his fiancé or wife Theresa, that heâll go ahead and marry Theresa. Sadly enough, black dudes do this out of respect or honor to the community; therefore, I give them that credit. (Better them, than me.) Not many are true to themselves. To put it bluntly: many brothers fight or deny their own true sexual identity. And after several years of marriage, after the kids get to be teenagers or grown, thereâs nothing else they have in common, Tim and Teresa (made-up names); therefore, the man acknowledges more his feelings for Tim or someone like Tim (because Tim has more than likely moved on to a dude who has accepted him as a same-*** partner, emotionally, etc.)
YOU WROTE: If we don't have any standards sh.it will run amok. The strong would be able to just take from the weak. I would be able to just take the [EXPLETIVE] and r.ape a b.itch.
MY RESPONSE: It has a lot to do with oneâs upbringing.
SPIRITUAL INSIGHT
I love them that love me; and those that seek me early shall find me. [Proverbs 8:17]
MY THOUGHTS At a young age, with proper home training and Bible teaching, a person develops a good sense of right and wrong. I started learning about the Bible and Godâs love, and coloring and drawing Bible pictures before kindergarten.
YOU WROTE: [I]f someone is attracted to children then they were born that way and people should just leave them alone.
MY RESPONSE: That is called pedophilia. That is not a good thing; there are some sick people in this world, true enough. I donât automatically include such behavior in a topic on ***. *** is one thing; pedophilia is another. In other words, just because a person is *** does not make that person a pedophile, nor does it make that person a disease carrier. That would be a different topic of discussion, as far as Iâm concerned.
YOU WROTE: Also I'm not *** so I don't want a *** guy rubbing up on me in a club. I will knock a M'fr out, quick. Do I have to wear a sign saying that I'm not ***.
MY RESPONSE: I could very easily feel the same way each time a female comes and touches me or rubs against me. But I canât just put my hands on her to knock her out because Iâd go to jail. I try to show more civility, yet let her know that Iâm not receptive to that gesture. Women do it on the job all the time⦠rub up against brothers or touch them. And trust me, many times it is much resented. If youâre an attractive person people are going to be attracted to you; itâs up to you and/or your home training in how you handle it.
YOU WROTE: Also if being *** is so natural and nothing is wrong with it why hasn't it caught on in all these years the earth has existed?
MY RESPONSE: Just like with civil rights coming to past, some people must fight for their rights to be recognized in society and/or at least respected as human beings. Black people had the same struggle⦠which is all the more bizarre that they would be the main ones to try and oppress others such as ***. Itâs what happens when you have freedom and, along with it, all types of people: black people, non-black people, *** people, non-*** people.
SPIRITUAL INSIGHT
And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand: [St. Matthew 12:25]
YOU WROTE: Why do you have to be in the closet or secret about it? If it so prideful why don't dudes just proclaim publicly that the only way they can achieve sexual gratification is by having an erect phallus penetrating their rectum?
MY RESPONSE: Because the people they must co-exist around (society) would try to lynch them⦠just like they did Negroes back in the 1950s and 1940s and years before. That is why many people donât come right out and admit that they are different or ***, because it would cause them many problems. I have been forced off of many good jobs all because I donât have a wife or girlfriend, trust me. I never told anyone I liked boys, they only assume because I am not married or have a girlfriend. (And I was always the most outstanding employee wherever Iâve been employed, with the most outstanding skills, job performance and work ethic⦠and have the commendation letters to prove it!)
YOU WROTE: Please someone clarify some of this for me.
MY RESPONSE: I hope I have clarified or satisfied your curiosities, at least to some degree. It was from the heart. It was an honor.
I really wanna start a boycott MTO page. You all are disgsting. Whe dd he ever say he was downlow? When did he come ffas downlow? e just never talked about it. Its funny how you guys are sooooo focused on "***" and "downlow" soooo much. Is FRED really that *** that he would perpetuate a stereotype? I mean he's hideous as ALL HELL but why attack ***? Black people do not need to be limited in their thinking. MTO is doing just that... keeping black people's minds stuck. I hate that. MTO... consider yourself boycotted
@Keith331 well said but there are way more *** WM than BM they been doing this chit a long time ago and they were not just raping our women in slavery but also our young boys this is how BM became involve in this nasty stuff I just found out Jason Willams he played Basket Ball but he was molested when young by a WM Sugar Ray Lenorad the boxer was also molested by a WM when young Todd that guy from Diffrent Strokes not Arnol the bigger brotha the half black dude on CNN was also molested by a WM and none of these WM was ever arested could how many more young Black boys became victim to these men this world is run by the Evil(WM) and they will try 2 trun everything around and try 2 blame others for example just read evileen and slywhiteguy comments these people life is so bitter and they think they gonna fool smart blacks lol.
Man look, no matter who says its cool or how many "valid" arguments u can come up with, being *** is wrong. I don't believe in *** bashing but I'm not supporting being *** either........I usually don't comment but to see more and more people support something that goes totally against nature and every religion known to man is very confusing, shocking and disheartening.
SOMEONE WROTE: Also if being *** is so natural and nothing is wrong with it why has it not caught on in all these years the earth has existed?
MY RESPONSE: Just like with civil rights coming to past, some people must fight for their rights to be recognized in society and or at least respected as human beings. Black people had the same struggle, which is all the more bizarre that they would be the main ones to try and oppress others such as ***. It is what happens when you have freedom and, along with it, all types of people: black people, non-black people, *** people, non-*** people.
SPIRITUAL INSIGHT
And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand: [St. Matthew 12:25]
@FirstJohn
I respect you as a person, but I have to admit that I do not respect what you do, but you are free to do what you want to do.
I do not see the need to respond to your counter answers to ChocBro, for what I am about to say sums up a lot of things: Satan is the ruler of this world (people seem to forget this fact and the fact that he has super powers). This spiritual creature is hanging on for dear life and he is still roving to and fro seeking to devour someone (the thing never sleeps; it works overtime for free). In the beginning he served as a Seraph (one of God's top angels); his job was to watch over Adam and Eve in the garden, so from that time onward, he has been studying mankind--he knows mankind's strengths and weaknesses just like God. God warned mankind about this creature when he stated that this spirit can turn himself into a god of light to mislead people, which he is doing day in and day out. What I suggest is that we do not worry about what M.T.O. is doing, but worry about what Satan is doing to mankind's way of thinking.
Ok firstjohn you seem to have given this alot of thought, You even incorporated Bible scriptures to support your way of thinking. I think people would try and justify *** or pedopholia or just about anything with the Bible. Also about that, I do want to say the word "eunuch" in my book doesn't mean a man who likes men. Your interpretation of that is completely different from how others interpret that.
There are some things you can't explain like how someone doesn't know until they are much older. And how someone can like both genders. I wasn't in that college course you took so I cannot take that as gospel so to speak.
You said some people look past gender. Well some people look past age and species but does that make it right?
Also their are many who would lay out the deficiencies in your argument of equating the *** rights movement with the civil rights movement. I'm sure you are aware of those.
So in ***, I am still not convinced that *** is natural or the right thing to do. And to be frank I likely never will.
@ChocBro
I was thinking the same thing: The Ethiopian eunuch that is spoken about in the bible confessed to one of God's followers that he clearly did not understand many passages of the bible, so he asked the follower to interpret or explain those scriptures to him. After learning and understanding the scriptures, the eunuch without hesitation, asked to quickly be baptized so that he can prove and show God as well as the world that he accepted and desired to conform his life to God's teachings, so I am honestly lost with the eunuch example.
Downlow?? SMH. Irresponsible reporting at its finest. I love and admire the courage of this man to be honest about who he is, especially in the face of such hostile adversity. Why people are so concerned with what consenting adults get up to in their own bedrooms is baffling. Anyway, keep up the hate. Keep forcing it underground.
@Chocbro I realise you're just another *** so I take you and your supporters comments with a grain of salt. However how you are comparing consensual *** between two adults with *** and paedophillia is beyond me
@MissKanga
People are only concerned with what they are exposed to--in this case, he put himself out there to be dissected,so people should not be surprised of the various viewpoints concerning this matter--evidently he does not care about the dissection like you do.
A lot of the comments do not speak of hating Mr. Ocean, but they do speak of the distaste for the action. Please do not misconstrue what is actually happening here--wow, the devil definitely knows how to turn darkness into light.
I suggest that anyone who is offended by the so-called bible thumpers just turn their heads and ignore them because they definitely won't be going underground.
The purpose of my responses to you was not to persuade you in any way, but rather, I responded as you asked, and only to give my perspective in the hopes of fellowship or understanding. Personally, this type of ridicule does not affect me because I do not live in a black community or anywhere close to one. In fact, none of the successful black individuals that I know of live among blacks or give to their charities... FOR THIS VERY REASON.
All that aside: It was very considerate of you to acknowledge my responses to your queries. God bless you. In fact, May God bless the black race [would be my question].
Heterosexual people need to push back against the *** agenda in the America. We, as parents, need to foster, VERY early, HETEROSEXUAL interactions in our kids. All those same *** sleep overs have got to stop because that is were most of those *** experiences take place. MAKE sure your children have playmates of the OPPOSITE *** and show them strong, positive heterosexual interactions.
Lastly, that was my last response. This is not the type of discussion or environment I am interested in, because it reminds me too much of where I grew and evolved from [the community]. I tried.
SPIRITUAL INSIGHT
And when ye come into an house, salute it. And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it: but if it be not worthy, let your peace return to you. And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city shake off the dust of your feet. [St. Matthew 10:12 through 14]
But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant. [I Corinthians 14:38]
@first john-you wrote: , I empathize with the bisexual man� since that, or the straight man, is the type of man I�ve normally been in connection with emotionally. I�ve never been involved with another *** man.
Huh? I'm confused with that one right there. Please explain. That kind of sounds like you are trying to infiltrate peoples that don't actually share your feelings. And I don't want to say that I hate you, I just don't like how I've seen some *** try to influence others to there beliefs, people who don't seem to have that natural affinity to being ***.
@webstedd I disagree. I think he very much cares about being dissected by the masses but he wants to be true and open about who he is rather than hide. It's a very courageous move. I don't pursue a line of discussion based on religion/God since mankind has used religion/God as an excuse to justify all manner of foul behaviour. So, you don't hate but you disapprove and that's your right. But don't you see that this disapproval forces these men and women to hide who they are. Make them ashamed. *** men marrying women to try and "fix" themselves. As you know, downlow behaviour is very dangerous. What's your solution for the *** man then? Just cut it out? Are you one of those people that believes *** can be "cured"?
@Chocbro Right. You and all the other ***. My confusion on your post was how do you equate consensual *** between two adults to *** and paedophillia?
@ Miss Kanga I mentioned *** and pedophilia because *** defenders will try to say that *** are born that way and they can't help who they are attracted too. So are not people that like having *** with animals and people that are attracted to kids born that way and can't help who they like? If your comprehension skills were high and you followed my post you would understand what I was trying to say. But anyway do you have a response for that?
My point is that people try to justify ***. So why can't they justify that other stuff.
@ webstedd just to be sure, you are a female right?? lbvs
@MissKanga
To be honest with you, I respect Mr. Ocean's honesty, but there is no way he could have not expected to be dissected just like a racist person who confesses his/her dislike for people should not expect to be dissected. To be honest again, I would probably be cool with Mr. Ocean, but I he would definitely know that I do not agree with his lifestyle just like I do not agree with the lifestyle of a robber or a murderer. I have been told that I accept people extremely, too, much, but it is what it is--I'm a lover of people.
Here is the answer, suggestion, or solution I would give to individuals like Mr. Ocean: Acknowledge your flaw, pray to God and continuously and earnestky ask for His helper (Holy Spirit), and seek help from a counselor or from a true spiritual brother. Nothing is corrected over ***, so individuals like Mr. Ocean should seek out people who are loving, patient, and spiritual (according to God's word) and constantly associate with them. We do not respect what liars, murders, and robbers do, so why should this type of behavior be respected--all of it is against God's word.
Just like convicts, we should assist these individuals with correcting their past behaviors and improving themselves--it's all about love for thy brother and sister.
the funny part is there are PLENTY of hip hop artists that either tried *** or are acually ***: kanye, jay-z, lil wayne, missy elliot (huge surprise there), mc lyte, da brat, queen latifah, lil kim, foxy brown, lil bow wow, jim jones, nortorious big, tupac, dmx, 50 cents, salt & pepa, fresh prince, lil bootsy and of course everyones favorite, drake.. thats just a few, if you look at their past histories, you won't find any surprises about their sexual escapades.
@chocbro thanks for the compliment. (no JW by the way) @firstjohn...maybe the same way *** and pedophillia sounds repulsive to you may be the same way *** sounds to some people. they are all deviations from the norm.
@ everyone calling "bible thumpers" hippocrites, what you refuse to accept is that we have learned that being *** is a sin. there is no sin more significant than another. a sin is a sin. However, we or most certainly, I, am a REPENTANT sinner. Most *** christians I know do not repent or ask for forgiveness for that sin. Which is why we feel their soul is hellbound. Jesus said to love each other and spread his word and God loves all man who repents and ask for forgiveness of their sins. Now i have read scripture that clearly states that behavior is sinful among many many other sins that i myself am guilty of.. I TRY not to lie, cheat, mock, tease, anger, fornicate, drink past my limit, (hell the list is too long) but i am on my knees every *** asking Him to forgive my messed-up ***.
@Chocbro Yes some people are born sick. Paedophiles are an example. My point is "consensual" ***. Children and animals are unable to consent. In that case, the act of *** becomes a violation. A crime. If your comprehension skills were high and you followed my post you would understand what I was trying to say.
@webstedd I agree. He absolutely would have known he was going to be dissected and yet he chose to reveal himself anyway. Very courageous. So you believe there's a possibility to be "cured" which I guess where our main disagreement lay because I don't believe that's possible. All I would say to you is, you don't have to like it just tolerate it. It's not going away. And to think about the consequences of non tolerance. Anyway webstedd it was nice to have a discussion/disagreement that remained civilised. Agree to disagree I guess. As for me, my green card has been approved. I'm moving to NY next July and will see two *** friends of mine get married in September 2013
@zouo @mariuo143 Thank You 4 knowin that this is not natural! I hate *** , ***, Trannys, closet ***, booty bandits, *** all The other sh!t thats Out here! Like u said The people thats support this sh!t is The main peopl doin this sh!t *** they know itz wrong! But Now itz at a point where this is deeper than comin Out to being a *** The illuminati is know for bringin people In that sick demented secret society by havin men suck *** *** eachother to gain fame *** money In The career They choose to do mainly The entertainment business because they run The world people thats not sleep knows what im talkin about so they could Get u where u wanna b! But at The end of The Day im a *** *** *** Tranny Bashers I hate u *** *** *** i wish u die already *** stop tryna Get people that dont like u to except what u do I wish God come already *** take u *** Out first! Damm im so sick of u *** Drinkin *** Men that looks Horrible In Drag!
@MissKanga
No, offense, but you are not God, so you can't decide who will and who will not change their course of action--basically you have given up on people such as Mr. Ocean. What if he came back later and stated that he wants to change his life; would you tell him to forget trying because it won't happen? There are a lot of people who were addicted to alcohol and drugs, but with sincere help, they have refrain from that way of life. These people will tell you that it was hard work, but with a good support group, they have refrained from smoking and drinking, but they will also tell you that they have stay on top of themselves and involved with their support groups so that they can continue to refrain from their bad habits--the same can be done with convicts, liars, murderers, pedophiles, abusers, and racist individuals. We have got to stop giving up so easily on people because God does not give up on us.
More power to your friends and enjoy your stay.
I don't like it when *** people link their struggle to Black people.I also don't like how many *** try to make people support their lifestyle BUT with that said I give MAD RESPECT to Frank Ocean for coming out because that took some REAL COURAGE and I got mad respect for people that are courageous and no doubt Frank Ocean is....The feelings he had for his first love is real and I love the way he expresses himself...
@ChocBro
He probably didnât figure it out until he was 19 years old because as a kid he was probably confused. Most black children grow up in religious homes and taught that being *** is wrong so of course a kid would be confused about what he/she should be feeling towards the same ***. Just because he was having *** with other girls doesnât mean he was straight or bisexual at the time. He could have been doing that just to save his reputation. Most black males fear being called *** and so the best way to prove to anyone that you arenât is by having *** with LOTS of women.
If I knew two *** guys that had a daycare down the street from me, I would let my children go to that daycare. I donât see what their sexual orientation has to do with them properly running a daycare. I would expect the daycare to be ran like any other daycare by a straight couple. As long as there is no inappropriate behavior going on in front of my children from either couple (straight or ***) and my children are given the best treatment then I donât see the problem.
Comparing *** and ***â¦.wow. *** two people that love each other *** a human that think he is in love with an animal even though they animal has no way of communicating that feeling back. Also when a person has *** with an animal it is FORCED and so it is rape while in *** both parties WANT to have *** with each other.
Donât bring the laws of nature into this. Animals have been shown in nature to have *** tendencies. Your logic of two males canât reproduce is flawed. If a woman isnât able to have a child does that mean that any relationship she has with any man is unnatural because she canât reproduce?
(Iâm the wrong person to answer the *** question.)
Some *** men do hide their *** most of their lives and they do get married to women and have a family. Itâs not like they just woke up ***, they have been *** their whole lives. You have to remember that some of the older men who do finally come out lived in a time when being *** was a harsher punishment than it is today. Stating that you were *** meant losing your family and possibly losing your life. It wasnât like today were you have support groups and people who will fight for your rights.
Are you seriously comparing *** to raping a child? *** is the love two males or two females have with each other. When *** have *** the two individuals WANT to have *** with each other. Pedophilia is a sexual relationship with an adult and child where the adult has sexual feelings for the child and the child DOES NOT feel the same way. The child is FORCE to have *** with an adult which is basically RAPE. Yes some pedophiles are born the way they are, but to compare that with *** is ridiculous. In pedophilia a child gets hurt, in *** no one is hurt.
Never surprises when a guy says âIâm fine with *** guys as long as they donât hit on meâ as if every *** guy in the club wants to get in your pants. How about if a *** guy hits on you you tell him you are straight and move on with your life instead of causing a scene? If he continues after you tell him then you can handle yourself. It might be different because Iâm a girl, but if that happened to me with a *** then that is how I would respond.
Iâm the wrong person to ask about the bisexual stuff.
Again *** at that time was different. People were more religious hundreds and thousands of years ago and even the rumor of being labeled as a *** meant death. People have to be in the closet to protect their lives and keep their loved ones close. Iâm pretty sure people would publicly proclaim that statement if they didnât fair for their lives. You keep mentioning that being *** is something that *** should be proud of, but you just donât get it. You donât understand what they go through from childhood to now.
Some grow up in homes that are religious and they are taught that being *** is a sin and that hell is the only place for ***. And so children grow up confused and ashamed of themselves and they try to fit into what society says is acceptable. When they are teenagers and they do finally decide to come out of the closet they may lose their friends and become the main sort of ridicule at the school. And children commit suicide of such acts of ***. Then itâs time to come out to their family. Either both parents will kick you out of the house or one will hate what you are and one will accept to love you for who you are. And there will always be a divide in the family and nothing will ever be the same again. And after all of this you still have to deal with how the general public feels about you being in a relationship with another person of the same ***. How can they feel proud to be *** after all the pain they have been through? It is not an easy life to live in todayâs world.
Thanks @ Web Stedd...I feel the same as you do about seeing opposite sexes doing the most in public as well just like i don't want to see women with their breast out in public either feeding their babies. Some things need just need to be done in private no matter who one is...
I give props to Frank Ocean though because he has taken control of his life and does not have to deal with worrying about someone outing him!
@BronzeReign
You are so quick to open your mouth that you allowed a foot to get into it. God accepts anybody as long as they accept his law and strive to live by them as the case of the Ethiopian eunuch. Whatever his problem was, he confessed it, and professed to serve the Isarealites' God by getting baptized by one of them, so that he can serve God as they did--***, God accept Rahab (the prostitute) and Paul once they accepted Him and His word--c'mon now, read each post carefully.
@BronzeReign
Good *** to you and your other aliases. I am done with this topic for ***--can't keep *** at a dead horse. If you are satisfied with yourself, why worry with others, unless you are truly concerned with what they have to say. One thing I have learned while being on M.T.O. is the fact that people will come at you continuously behind different characters. I'm retiring--tired of the puppet show.
It truly hurts my heart reading some of these comments. I feel so much hate. I had to create an account to say something.
I am a man, not in a relationship and I haven't been for years. I have not had sexual contact with anyone for years. I am living life alone when it comes to a relationship. I am not happy. This is not a happy life. It's very lonely. It doesn't change who I am inside. I've prayed going back to my teen years. Let me say that MY God and I have a very great relationship. I believe in the higher power.
I want to start with the word "***". It seems that the first thing that comes to peoples mind with the word "***" is anal *** and HIV. I am one who doesn't follow the statistics or the latest observations when it comes to HIV, so I won't comment on that. I do know that if two people who don't have aids and are loyal to each other and doesn't have sexual contact with an HIV + person, or share needles, etc, they will not contract the virus. THAT is fact, and THAT is a revelation in itself that HIV was not born from same *** contact. Â And the main thing I hear when someone is gossiped about being *** is along the lines: "Yeah, you can tell he likes it up the ***."
Same *** relationships do not exist just because a guy wants to have another man inside of him. That notion, alone, sounds ignorant just even typing it right now. A true relationship is about being with that one person who you feel a connection with, formed out of mutual love. Just sharing life, time and space, forming an emotional connection, and of course a physical connection will be shared also. Every same *** couple does not practice penetration, I am living proof of that, as I have never liked it, giving or receiving, neither with a man or a woman. (Yes, I have been with both at times in my life. And no, not on the down low). There are many other ways to physically be with a partner that doesn't include penetration (And no, I am not referring to oral *** either).
Now, what "the word of God" and the majority of the religious community, along with the conservatives ask of me to do, is to not be "***", or to not act on the feelings that I, which have never happened with a female, ever.
So am I to just live life alone? The religious will say "You can't have it all. You can't have heaven on earth. Follows God word now so you can have it all with the All Mighty in heaven." Â OR am I to find a woman to be with and pretend that I feel the way a person SHOULD feel in a true relationship? Especially if you are an decent looking/attractive man and you go so long with having a girlfriend or going out much, those close to you will suspect and they will ask (At least in my life they have).
****This is where the down low mentality is born****
You have these guys who want to either live by "the word of God" or... they do not want to be labeled ***, for whatever reasons, and deal with all of the stigma that the label brings with it. They try not to act on what they feel... trying not to act on what the "devil has somehow placed inside of their spirit". Trying not to act on what "feels natural", because it is "unnatural" & against the laws of nature, despite their being *** activity in over a thousand other species. My heart hurts for these guys. Some go int these relationships with women to try and "live right", but fail and *** to what they truly are attracted to because they feel a void inside if them. Some go into these relationships with women just to put up a front to be socially accepted, but behind closed doors, they are cheating on their women with men (But you can't just single out the same *** incidents because the same is happening in "straight" relationships).
I chose the lonely route. Why? Not to live by "the word of God", which I don't believe THAT BIBLE. There have been too many MEN in power who have tampered with, changed, and simply made up stuff to place in it as the Holy word.
I am living life lonely to live comfortably with some peace of mind in my society, including family and friends. My family is old school Baptist and I have male friends who have used derogatory language in the presence of various people who, to them, look ***.Â
BY the way, there is no such thing as looking ***, walking ***, or acting ***. Â Since when does fashion, colors, hobbies, or mannerisms dictate what is on the inside of a person or who you want to spend your life with.
As an AMERICAN, same *** people should have the same privileges as everyone else. The heart of America is supposed to justice & liberty for all as human beings. Just as people are free to practice whatever religion they like, people should be able to marry who they like. It is understandable for you to have your belief as a Christian and to raise your children as you see fit, but as an American, for something as harmless a marriage, to legally be connected to the person you love, that is a right.Â
As far as the comparisons to "being attracted to children or animals"... that is TOTALLY different. Animals are not humans. They have no intelligence, a least not like a human. And children are children. They are protected BY Law because they are not fully developed as a grown human, and can be taken advantage of, etc. That is a given. But with two adults, with something as harmless as love, who is another person to deny another person love, or to have the law not acknowledge what they have as love.
As long as you are living right within your beliefs and witnessing to others and spreading the word out of love, I think that is wonderful.
But when you use the word to infringe on what should be a human right, even if God, as described in the bible, calls it an abomination, I don't believe he would  approve of oppressing, shaming, and belittling another. Instead, pray for them. Jesus came and died for our sins. We all sin. No sin is greater than another.
And on another note, with the unnatural laws of nature, once again, that is picking and choosing. If someone wants to be literal with it, many and most, if not all can simply look in the mirror. We are not born with tattoos, piercings, permed hair, hair dye, and for some, plastic surgery/body enhancmenst. These are things we 100% choose to do.
I choose to wake up alone, go to sleep alone, and have no one to share life with the way people do in relationships. I did not choose to have an attraction to guys. If I could choose, I would chose a woman so that I could have someone to share my life with and love the way I know love is meant to be. I could have days where there is no shame of what I am and I would know that there was not a possibility of my parents and grand parents being ashamed of me. I am an upstanding citizen. I don't drink or smoke. I am very respectful to people from all walks of life and I help where I can. Yet, am I to live alone or live a lie to be socially "right".
How wonderful it would be to find someone, fall madly in love and just run away from this life, leaving family behind and just living in harmony. But I wouldn't dare break my parents hearts.
I just wanted to give a deep view from my perspective. If anything, I hope that it helps to lessen the frustration many have towards "alternative lifestyles".Â
I'm out.
Remember, these were the same fools that called Chris Brown out about his blonde hair....now look, these fools are confessing that they are booty hole bandits. I always wondered, why is it that the *** are the ones that don't believe in God..is it because you know what you are doing is wrong? Just asking.
He's *** or Bisexual, why the *** do you people care so much? In the end god has to judge each and everyone one of us, so you people thats talking about him burning in hell, you might be roastin right along with him, because A. no one is without sin or faults and B. you probably have a family member thats *** or bisexual.
Bravo for his courage in the face of adversity. Was the person Kanye...who cares! We spend WAY TOO MUCH time demeaning people (our brothers and sisters) for the sack of making our own lives seem more relevant.
There are ONLY TWO emotions that people truly experience...everything else is an off-***. Those are LOVE and FEAR. The question is...which one will you turn to?
Slywhiteguy, I couldn't agree with you more. I'm waiting to hear the statistics on white women and Latinos with HIV/AIDS because they love that black ***. Don't think just because they're married or *** white women and Latinos, they're not on the downlow!!! As far as a black man is concern a hole is a hole. Color makes no difference.
I'm *** and I could have had plenty of girlfriends and live a "normal" life, but the point is I am strong enough to not live a life of lies and deception. I am pretty sure that a man was ment to be with a woman, but I'm true to myself and I'm not afraid to let others know that.
Consider the fact that EVERYBODY WASN'T BUILT FOR THE SAME WAR. There are others that simply do not have the strength that I possess. The hate that people are spewing on these comments are the very reason why so many men will remain in the closet, and continue to spread whatever disease they may have caught.
All that *** about pedophilia and zoophilia is NULL and VOID. The thought is simply disgusting, and you need to realize that there is a major difference between two CONSENTING same *** ADULTS engaging in *** (whether you think it's natural or not) and comparison you are trying to make.
But go ahead and keep stigmatizing ***, and people with HIV, see what happens. No need to try and say that *** are all pedophiles, when my own grandfather sexually abused his daughters, and took away their innocence. A pedophile could very well be anyone so please educate yourselves and quit generalizing.
I cannot believe some of the comments coming from the "women" on this thread. You should be outraged and offended by Frank Ocean instead of in awe and praise of him. You know why? Because its men like Frank Ocean who have the desire to be intimate with other men and also knowing that they have done so has also decided to be intimate with you. A woman. I am quite sure all of his sexual encounters with both men and women have not been protected ***. Thus raising the bar of contacting and spreading HIV/AIDS within the community. There are a lot of black men within our community that are living down low and bisexual lives while maintaining relationships with black women. Black women need to always always have condoms with them when they decide to lay down with men. The rate is too high within the community. Slywhiteguy has made some valid points although his delivery of those points may not have been the best delivery but the message is there all the same.
Change your behavior and close your legs to questionable men or at least wear condoms every single time. Most importantly do not date men who have been in jail for long periods of time. *** periods for that matter. When you are told that they have not had *** activity while in jail always look at those words as a lie. Even if it may not be for some take it as is.
Clairvoyant (questioning whether you're black or just HIV positive and angry)...as a black woman I have no problems with his behavior for the very reasons you stated. I guard my health like Fort Knox because I'm a health educator. You have to keep in mind that HIV/AIDS spreads because of IGNORANCE. It also spreads because many women have low self-esteems and will give up their life force just to have "a man". They don't question behavior and in some cases if they do...they are assaulted. Do they leave? Many don't.
The problem is far more complex than attributing the spread of HIV/AIDS to *** men. You must keep in mind that HIV/AIDS came from a GREEN monkey (LOL). But research scientists spent YEARS researching the effects of syphilis in black men (Tuskegee). If you weren't aware, syphilis is INCURABLE once it reaches stage FOUR. Look at a person with stage 4 syphilis and then look at a person with HIV/AIDS...I'll wait while you go do that.
