oh so Obama must be in the ***.O with his Moses staff ready to save the city from the flooding. smh its their convention what can they do about the Hurricane stop everything and wait? do you fools understand the states have their own ability to save the people they gave warning its up the the people to heed them or be foolish
Barnbrat
Bush was on vacation when the seriousness of what was happening first became apparent to anybody willing to pay attention and he did not immediately end his vacation.
His efforts to contribute to assisting the people there should not be even described as half@seed because that would be a compliment.
HE PUBLICLY PRAISED THE MAN WHO WAS F@CKING UP! (Brownie)
Of course locals (citizens and gov't messed up) but beyond a certain point the POTUS has a moral responsibility to act especially considering the recources at his disposal. This is what actual human beings do when fellow human beings are dying, or at least supposed to do.
You need to stop with all that "u trying to prevent my freedom of speech nonsense." It seems to be lost on you that pointing fingers when u have no moral footing to do so because u are cosigning absolute be is not a good idea.
I'm glad I left the Democratic party. They are a hateful, arrogant bunch of ignorant people. Despite the polls showing a small 1-3% gap between Romney and Obama, they keep saying that Obama is a shoe-in. Like they said Al Gore and John Kerry were shoe-ins. These dummies never learn from their past mistakes. Keep writing Romney off. He's about to be your new president.
Katrina was devestating to watch on TV, but it showed my people in their true light. Ain't nobody have no money to catch a ride out of the ghetto when the hurricane warning came out. Then people started dying and folks were dragging their dead loved ones around. We looked like a helpless group of ignorant people one generation removed from slavery. It was ridiculous. Why are we uneducated? Why don't we have any resources for emergencies? Why are we always standing somewhere begging for help? *deep breath* I don't care for Bush as a president but we can NOT blame Hurricane Katrina on him. We have to blame ourselves for remaining victims ready to be wiped out by a strong wind.
@barnbrat
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People from glass houses should not throw stones, especially not standing next to the house.
As for the rest of what I said, there is nothing else to be said. Your boy f@cked up and people suffered and some died as a result. If the locals realized before hand what the extent of the danger to their lives was, they would have handle things differently, trust me. Your boy saw it happening real time and came off almost apathetic.
How f@cked up are your talkin about state jurisdiction and ***? Was your boy worried about the law when him and Chaney were wiretapping US citizens at will? I swear dude......I'mma stop here before I say something I regret.
I didn't think Katrina killed those people, but the man-made levees. I agree, the people *** wait for the government to help them, but certain things the government ARE responsible for. Many people don't leave in hurricanes. Why doesn't anyone bring up about all those white people pointing guns and killing African-Americans who also didn't leave?
As far as Latino's rebuilding Katrina, of course they did. I knew someone who was hired to do a cleanup job after Katrina. Right before the people were to start, for some strange reason, Bush opened up "bidding"... and guessed who won the bid? A company who advertised in Mexico that there was work to be done. He had those people sleeping outside and provided no meals and a cheaper salary, while the guy I knew had them sleeping in hotels (they were condemned but still offered a bed, shower, and a roof over their head,) and he offered them lunches and a fair salary considering they were working for many hours. An American company who tried to do the right thing was *** on and over a week of cleanup was lost because of Bush cronyism.
Certainly a lot of good points. Many people do just seem to dance around the issues. barnbrat brought up some good points, and while I contend that Bush was an awful President (a topic of another debate), 9 point post seems to have been countered.
Now, I will argue that the President isn't responsible for taking care of states in the event of national disasters. Now, he could bring have the Armed Services help I suppose, but our men and women are tied up in combat overseas worrying about spreading democracy while dropping bombs on civilians. I mean, FEMA wasn't even formed until 1979, and states like Florida, Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi, Texas, and others were able to survive. I believe there's an old children's tale about ant and grasshopper and preparing for tough times...
Now if you believe that the President has some omnipotent power akin to a King, well, then you have to accept what the next 'King' granted that power will do.
Budda brings up a good point about civil liberties and the Patriot Act. But need I also remind you that Obama has continued the Patriot Act and also enacted the NDAA with the un-Constitutional clause about the indefinite detention of American citizens. And now he is having his lawyers fight a judge's order to suspend that clause.
@Buddha There comes a point when we as a people have to be responsible for our own actions. I hated the picture of Bush looking down from Air Force One, but this was a local problem that swung out of control before our eyes. Once again...why are we always the lowest of the lowest. Why is it always us on tv suffering? From Africa to America...it's always a black face. As Marcus Garvey said, "We need to pull ourselves up by our bootstraps."
Waw
Barnbrat, my hope is that you arguing what you are arguing has more to do with pig headed pride and not you being seemingly disconnected from your humanity as you are coming off. You seem to be arguing that George Bush did, AT WORST, a somewhat reasonable job on Katrina. If that's what you truly believe, more power to you.
And yes, this is an emotional issue. Seeing people die unnecessarily has this really weird effect on me causing me to not want to blame them even if they f@cked up if it was possible for them to be helped. I'm a weirdo in that way.
I will say this though, you put alot of what you say on here in way better perspective now...
@barnbrat
Yeh for me its an "I only care about black people issue" even though my statements have repeatedly shown that I have consigned Obama for the fact that he has addressed issues THAT HELP EVERYBODY and not only black people. That is where my head is at even though I have never been on the "Obama ain't done shhh for black people" bandwagon. Even though I have critisized republicans for always seeming to be on the wrong side of any issue involving rights except when corporations are involved. F@ck outta here.
Your arguments are typically for b@llshyt and they are generally weak at best. And on top of that your need to try to insult someone else's intelligence got a mf hair trigger. Please know what the f@ck ur talking about before presuming to know another man's intentions for what he says. Apparently that thread where u thought I was responding to u but was addressing stillp has taught u nothing...
