This is a forum post by the user Xavian
: Throw that lame excuse that 'love is blind' or 'its a preference' out the window and be real. Yes, I know people can date whomever they want to date, don't worry, I'm not trying to stop it because I can't..but I am allowed to talk about it and I really want to know. I want to know how someone can date outside their race and not see that it's self-hate and it's racist. You're obviously dating this person because of the way the look, meaning you are with them because of the color of their skin. That's racist because you are choosing to date someone because of their skin (along with other "preferences"). It's self-hate because you are not caring about the reproductiong of your own people.
All jokes aside there is some serious truth to this.Im not saying that people should only date within their race, because who you fall in love with is who you fall in love with plain and simple. But the only problem I have with this for example is when I hear a black man say "I only date white women" or vice versa and that goes for any race. why is it that you would only date outside your race?? Anyways its a free country ppl date who you want..
Dating interracially is not the part that irks me, it's when people date other races because they have animosity for their own race, or when they feel their own race is inferior to others in looks, personality, etc. It also irritates me when people promote interracial dating and have to broadcast to the world who they date and what they prefer and why. If no one asks, then why are you telling everyone? And the other thing that irks me about interracial daters is that they complain too much about people talking reckless to them for dating interracially, like people don't still won't talk no matter who they're with. I feel like whiny people like that just want to make a big deal out of nothing and say "Look at me, my relationship is important, I'm gonna print it out on a T-***". F.ucking ridiculous.
i honestly dont think its racist at all. because i can easily find one race of people jus as attractive as the next. i mean okay, maybe for people that only date one certain type of people its kinda questionable but i can find a gorgeous black guy or dominican or whitee guy and still like them all the same, even tho its based on looks i dont prefer one race to another its jus how each individual appeals to me.
what are you talking about. not all people have to have kids with their own race and not all people have to date within their own race. peopele have a preference and yes there are a few who rather not deal within their race at all but you dont have to settle for your own kind if your dont feel like it.
why does it matter to you who other people date? just because other people date outside their race whether they're black, white, hispanic or whatever doesn't mean they have "self hate" and I always thought that if you weren't willing to look outside the box and try to see people outside your race, was in fact racist...and I could care less about the reproduction of my "own people"...there's a lot of white people that date only within their race....the HUMAN race is what matters, as long as they ain't f.u.c.***.i.***.g any animals, I don't see what the big deal is
and btw, I think you need to recognize that it is almost 2010, and yes although racism still does exist...we've come a long way since the slavery days and even since my grandparents' generation when segregation still existed, I mean s.h.i.t., we do have a black president...
ohh lol, cuz I notice a lot of ppl on here don't like ir relationships for some reason....where am from, it's not much of an issue, people date outside their race all the time and people don't think twice about it...of course u have ignorant ppl whereever u go, but for the most part, I haven't had much problems with haters of that sort
charchar12 Flag post @mommy lol I was only exposing the hypocrisy in this self hating theory. If a black man dates a non-black women it is self hatred, but if a black women dates a black man it isn't self hate, it is love.
^^^Certain people got that dumb mentality. You should see the main page. When MTO post a thread with a black man with a white women it gets about 700+ comments about how all black men are this and that. And MTO will purposely post such and such with his WHITE women. But when its a black women and a white man the same females are praising her. And the headline is way different.
@mee1234 thxx, and MTO does do that...or they'll put if the guy is dating a black woman, "weel at least it's a SISTA" and they call us "beckys" which is something I never understood and then you have those ppl who say how we smell like wet dog and how ugly we are like the post for Kid Cudi and his girl
INTERRACIAL DATING IN AMERICA 2009 IS NOT RACISM AND SELF-HATE. THAT IS THE SURFACE OF THE PROBLEM.
Ask yourself where does racism and self-hate come from? It doesn't appear out of thin air. It is taught. It is conditioned into your mind.
Take a look at what you're watching and what you're listening to. 5 years ago every hip-hop video had black women engaging in derogatory acts and portraying themselves as harlots. Those days are over- they died with BET uncut. Now we have these video vixens being glamorized and idolized. HOW MANY OF THEM ARE BLACK? The media has viciously and unapologetically removed all healthy black relations from view. They have made beautiful black actresses and models disappear with the black movies of the 90's. They've replaced all female love interests for black males with white or non-black women. They also replaced all desirable black women from positions of esteem. Black female doctors, lawyers, business woman are all 'slightly unattractive'. So the idiot among us, will believe "If there are *** near no good looking black women on television, there must be none at all".
Countless biologists and researchers of human heredity state that as humans we have a natural disposition to be attracted to people that look like us, and come from where we do.
So why is it that Black people are so adamantly trying their damndest to hop the fence.
Like all social behaviors, (***, crime, incest, etc) when it's one or two people, it's a coincidence. When it's a mass of people, it's a social disease,
Black people are being conditioned to hate themselves. our features, our behavior and our legacy.
The weak among us perpetuate the stereotypes. Get involved in all of the disgusting social behaviors that will kill us all.
And the turncoats hop the fence. Believing that white is right and to live a wholesome life you must distance yourself from everything that is "Black". Until they find out there is some vicious dogs on the other side of that fence...... isn't that right Tiger woods, oj simpson, halle berry, professor henry gates, sammy davis jr, diane carol?
Lexruther: Just because Jesus doesn't frown upon interracial dating doesn't mean it's automatically okay. Jesus probably doesn't frown upon someone being fired or decline a job because of their skin color, but that doesn't make it right that someone was fired or decline over skin color. You really cannot use religion as a foundation of racial issues, like reading the bible will solve things for the world…if that was that case, the KKK wouldn’t have promoted the bible while committing murders. When black people were hanged and murder by during slavery and the civil war, god didn't frown upon it because it was a RACIST murder, no, he frowned upon it because it was a murder, simple as that. So, don't bring religion into racial matters, because it’s irrelevant.
You would be surprised at all the things in this world that Jesus doesn't frown upon but should. Like smoking cigarettes, it should be a sin for all the lives they take...car accidents, plane accidents...all these things result in death, and Jesus don't frown over them, unless it was on purpose then that would be murder. There is a reason why religion is personal...once you choose your religion, then that's YOUR way of life...no one else's unless they share the same faith. So, don't force your religion unto people as if the bible is the answer to everything, because it's not...maybe for you, but not for everything and everyone.
If you go after other races and intentionally avoid your own out of hatred for you own, that's self hatred.
If you only date other races because of their skin color, facial symmetry, hair texture, and because you want "pretty babies with good hair" then that's self hate.
If you have to broadcast to everyone in the world that you're in an interracial relationship and why, then that's annoying and it's a sign of self validation and inner self hatred.
If you try to promote interracial dating / marriage and push your beliefs on race (i.e. non-blacks are "better" partners than blacks because of xyz) onto others, then that is self hate.
"You're obviously dating this person because of the way the look"
if u date someone solely for how they look then that makes u shallow.
so within the white race u gotta date someone with the same colour eyes/hair cos thatd be self hate too... cos they dont look like u... and have a different geneological back ground?
"Lexruther: Just because Jesus doesn't frown upon interracial dating doesn't mean it's automatically okay."
so becos u dont like it then it is wrong?
"Jesus probably doesn't frown upon someone being fired or decline a job because of their skin color, but that doesn't make it right that someone was fired or decline over skin color."
Actually Jesus acknowledged Christains would go through hard ship and the two most important things is to love your God above all and to love your neighbour, regardless of who they are as the isralites were foreigners in Egypt.
"You really cannot use religion as a foundation of racial issues, like reading the bible will solve things for the world…if that was that case, the KKK wouldn’t have promoted the bible while committing murders."
If everyone lived by the bible and what it promotes, what it actually says and not manipulations, then yes the world would be perfect. the bible has always been misused to prove points i.e. south africa, manifest destiny, WWII but u gotta use your own mind actually read the thing and see they talkin out they @ss.
"When black people were hanged and murder by during slavery and the civil war, god didn't frown upon it because it was a RACIST murder, no, he frowned upon it because it was a murder, simple as that."
this is the only thing u said that makes sense becos yes GOD DOES NOT SEE COLOR.
"So, don't bring religion into racial matters, because it’s irrelevant."
religeon is relevant in ALL area of life if you a Christian.
Interracial Dating = Genocide
Period end of discussion.
There is no way around it and if you do not think that it is genocide and the indigenous (Aboriginal) people of Australia! If you can find one, or better yet ask a Native American (aside from the diseases and alcohol Europeans gave them, murderous rampages and having their babies helped depopulate them also) if you can find one.
Just because something has genitalia does not mean you have to have mate with it. If you want to survive in this millennium you better stick to your own!
@ lex - well thats good! im glad things are happening, i hope it will make u a lot happier :)
woork is o, still lookin for a job which is not fun but God will provide. In regards to my mum, she is still doin her thing, Jesus is in her heart but she doesnt live it day to day... once im more confident in the Holy Spirit i think i will be able to help.
saw my father the other day which was ok, little bit sad cos its hard to see him doin what he doin but it was still nice. saw pictures of my half brother for the first time aswell!
*My opinion* People date who they choose for various reasons.I do agree that there are people out there in the world that date outside of their race because they dont like they own(but thats a specific type of person).Not everyone who dates outside they race do it for the same reason,there are actually some people that date a person because they feel a connection or are atracted to the way that person carries themselves....or various other reasons.Just because someone chooses someone from another race dont mean it automatically self hate.Some people really just dont care about skin color at all.
THIS POST IS FOR FLATFLOOTMONSTER
MY RESPONSE CONTAINS ***** IN FRONT
"You're obviously dating this person because of the way the look"
if u date someone solely for how they look then that makes u shallow.
so within the white race u gotta date someone with the same colour eyes/hair cos thatd be self hate too... cos they dont look like u... and have a different geneological back ground? +++++
****YES, flatfootmonster, dating someone just because they are blonde with blue eyes is SHALLOW. You misinterpret my comment. When you date someone JUST because of the way they look, that is shallow, self-hate because if you are a brunette with brown eyes, how can you not date anyone who has those same physical attributes?
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"Lexruther: Just because Jesus doesn't frown upon interracial dating doesn't mean it's automatically okay."
so becos u dont like it then it is wrong?
****No, I’m saying that religion shouldn’t be the your only source for judgment against right and wrong. I believe it’s wrong and I’m entitled to that. But, like I was saying there are things in this world that I people believe is wrong (I gave examples) and Jesus doesn’t frown upon it and because he doesn’t frown upon doesn’t mean that it’s okay, you can determine things that are right in wrong for without religion.
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"Jesus probably doesn't frown upon someone being fired or decline a job because of their skin color, but that doesn't make it right that someone was fired or decline over skin color." Actually Jesus acknowledged Christains would go through hard ship and the two most important things is to love your God above all and to love your neighbour, regardless of who they are as the isralites were foreigners in Egypt.
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****Okay, bad example then. Still doesn’t change the fact that there are things in this world that Jesus doesn’t frown upon.
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"You really cannot use religion as a foundation of racial issues, like reading the bible will solve things for the world…if that was that case, the KKK wouldn’t have promoted the bible while committing murders."
If everyone lived by the bible and what it promotes, what it actually says and not manipulations, then yes the world would be perfect. the bible has always been misused to prove points i.e. south africa, manifest destiny, WWII but u gotta use your own mind actually read the thing and see they talkin out they @ss
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******Understand that “the world would be perfect if everyone followed the bible” is YOUR opinion. But, I love how you said that you have to “use your own mind” because that is what I’m talking about, in a different context of course. You have to use your mind to make judgments that the bible doesn’t guide you to judge, if he does guide you to judge it, you would find the message through hidden scriptures, but never upfront, so you have to use your mind to understand it.
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"When black people were hanged and murder by during slavery and the civil war, god didn't frown upon it because it was a RACIST murder, no, he frowned upon it because it was a murder, simple as that."
this is the only thing u said that makes sense becos yes GOD DOES NOT SEE COLOR.
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***WHICH IS EXACTLY WHY Religion (Christianity etc.) shouldn’t be brought into race matters….so here is where you contradicted yourself
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"So, don't bring religion into racial matters, because it’s irrelevant."
religeon is relevant in ALL area of life if you a Christian.
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****This is where you contradicted yourself because like you said “GOD DOES NOT SEE COLOR” so tell me, how is racial matters relevant to Christianity when god doesn’t give guidance SPECIFICALLY for racial matters because he DOES NOT SEE COLORS. Like I said, the bible doesn’t have to be your (lexruther’s) ONLY source of judgment for right or wrong, you can make judgments for yourself, others will disagree and agree, but at least you’ll have a mind of your own outside of your religion. I’m pretty sure Jesus doesn’t frown upon his followers having a mind of their own.
Xavian : Are you kidding me?. Ofcourse God frowns upon it when you are fired because of racial discrimination... You have to read Deut 28 and understand that many if not all of black peoples plight in America stems from the fact that they are under the curses God placed on our ancestors, the Children of Israel.
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****Like I told FFD: Okay, bad example then. Still doesn’t change the fact that there are things in this world that Jesus doesn’t frown upon.
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Xavian : I hear from God through the spirit he gives me. Am I saying that because of my gift God only talks to me and not other Christians who are not even filled with the Holy Spirit but just received it as you, No. Ofcourse not. You would have to pray, fast, sleep and hope to dream inorder to hear from God. I don't have to do all of that to hear from God ( nothing wrong with praying, fasting etc. I am just saying that my gift is like speed dial and you are using rotarty dialing)
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****You are way off subject. You don’t get it, you obviously came to the wrong thread, because this has nothing to do with religion. I tried to explain to you why it doesn’t have anything to do with religion, FFM actually contradicted herself and proved that racial matters has nothing to do with religion. So, therefore, if you can’t keep on subject and address the thread, then I’ll just move on.
All jokes aside there is some serious truth to this.Im not saying that people should only date within their race, because who you fall in love with is who you fall in love with plain and simple. But the only problem I have with this for example is when I hear a black man say "I only date white women" or vice versa and that goes for any race. why is it that you would only date outside your race?? Anyways its a free country ppl date who you want..
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Cosign.
You're obviously dating this person because of the way the look
~~~ a majority of 1st dates w/ ANYONE is based solely on looks... whether it be a girl w/ a big ***, a guy w/ a nice smile, etc... and just b/c when some people date outside of their race doesn't mean that non-black is the only ones they date.... I also think that to consume yourself with this question shows your ignorance... If this the only thing you have in your life you have to worry about then you should consider yourself truly blessed!
I'm not trying to be sarcastic but the majority of people I see dating outside their race are dark skinned black people. Sure, light skinned people are just as guilty but the vast majority are dark IMO. I know one VERY dark woman, registered nurse by profession, who HATES her black skin and wouldn't quit until she finally married a white man she met on the internet. She also had a baby by a Mexican. I don't get her AT ALL. I personally see this type of self hatred in dark skinned blacks the most. Just my two cents...
it depends on what party we are talking. I think blackmen are more ginuine when it comes to interacial dating. blackwomen on the other hand I can't say the same for them.....lets face it the average blackman can't f*ck the average white,***.hispanic, etc but the average ***,white, and hispanic guy can *** the average blackwomen if he makes the right offer right,,,,,I think personal gain is on the agenda of many blackwomen who do it. would I call it self hate it depends but we all know that the sistas have some issues in that department.....everything from skin bleaching to hating the texture of their own natural hair so I'll let you all be the judge of that.
Also in New Orleans right now with the influx of Mexicans more black women are having babies with them for "good hair." Basically on a whole, as a people, our mental is screwed. Dig?
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Really, b/c I haven't seen that here like u claim...
Also, interracial dating is still a minority of the couples... but everyone can continue to believe what the media portrays...
Believe NONE of what you hear and HALF of what you see
SMILEYGIRL:
You're obviously dating this person because of the way the look
~~~ a majority of 1st dates w/ ANYONE is based solely on looks... whether it be a girl w/ a big ***, a guy w/ a nice smile, etc... and just b/c when some people date outside of their race doesn't mean that non-black is the only ones they date.... I also think that to consume yourself with this question shows your ignorance... If this the only thing you have in your life you have to worry about then you should consider yourself truly blessed! ++++ *****I know things in the dating world are based on looks. But, it’s still shallow. If someone choose to date someone based on looks, that is called being shallow….and when you choose someone based on their race, that is self-hatred. Because you just admitted that people date solely on looks, so you shouldn’t have no problem admitting that when someone dates interracially it’s based on looks, their skin color being a factor, that is self-hatred. Also, tell me where I said “this is the only thing in my life I have to worry about” because I didn’t say that. It’s one thread, one topic…simple as that. So, maybe you shouldn’t be so quick to call someone ignorant.
black women arent as hard on black women about dating "out" as they are on black men who date out.
most black American women secretly want a white man because we have been conditioned to think that any and everything white is best.
If you dont believe me look at how they wear their hair.
The problem is most black women dont have the social option to date white because in white society its seen as a step down to date or marry a black woman..
Then there is the sexual component. Most white men dont have the type of rhythm needed to keep a sister interested anyway.
On the other hand if a brother is hitting Ms Daisy off right, the sexual emotional will allow them to take the social embarrassment of marrying a black man, especially since they arent really black...Just sleeping black.
I know Im all over the place with this but Im watching the Giants game.
And Im not saying that white men arent attracted to sisters. Im saying, they are willing to it, just to tell their buddies they bedded a black woman, but they usually wont take that step to bring them home to meet mom...Its still socially taboo in decent white society.
On the other hand a negroe will accept anyone and anything from any race that their child drags through the door...
We accept any *** thing because of low racial self esteem.
well white girls are the prised possession in society, so you always go for the gold
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yea, stick around when your prize starts wrinkling up and getting those brown spots and liver spots all over their skin by age 28....you'll see that gold is really fake gold..
white women start breaking down by 28.
black women start hitting theri stride at that age, IF they take car their body, eat right and exercise...
Problem is most sisters dont work out and eat right and those whiet girls be in those gyms making sure those flat butts dont sag.. They work hard.
Sisters, on the other hand may want to work out but they cant work up a sweat because it'll mess up their perms and weaves. If you cant work out hard enough to sweat there no need to even bother. And if you dont exercise you're gonna get obese, diabetes, high blood pressure, heart disease,, lupus, arthritis, etc, etc.
Its a vicious cycle.
I guess Jame forman the writer of "BLACK MANIFESTO" one of the members of the black panther party is full of self hate because he married a white woman.......and Thurgood Marshall who married a filipano is also filled with self hatred who cares about what they accomplished as civil right leaders.... im sure the author of this thread did much more for the black community
most black American women secretly want a white man because we have been conditioned to think that any and everything white is best.
If you dont believe me look at how they wear their hair.
As a black woman, I can say from my own personal experience and the experience of other black women that this analysis of black women is extremely incorrect. Most black women in the US DO NOT WANT white males. I think the only people who think that they do are black men like yourself that feel insecure when you see BW/WM relationships.
I guess Jame forman the writer of "BLACK MANIFESTO" one of the members of the black panther party is full of self hate because he married a white woman.....and Thurgood Marshall who married a filipano is also filled with self hatred who cares about what they accomplished as civil right leaders.... im sure the author of this thread did much more for the black community
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Yep, I do see that as self-hatred and hypocrisy. If Malcolm X dated a white woman or any other race, do you think blacks people would have tooken him serious. No, he would have lost all credibilty. How can you preach "black power" when you are dating outside the race. For Thurgood and James Forman, to me, they are self-haters.
well white girls are the prised possession in society, so you always go for the gold
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That is your opinion. But, that's the racism I'm talking about. For those who forgot what the definition of racism is...
"a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others"
Djenx obviously thinks that white women are superior and like a lot of people who date interacially, since they are dating soley on looks, they are dating them because their find their looks / race superior over others. RACISM.
im sure the author of this thread did much more for the black community
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That was a sarcastic dig at me. I'm just asking a question...doesn't mean that I am consumed by this topic, doesn't mean that I'm better than anyone, or whatever that little low-blow comment was suppose to suggest. This is a forum for discussions...some of you are acting like your offended by one thread...get over it, it's just a question, if it offends you...don't bother commenting.
I'm sure some people who date outside of their race are not doing it simply because the person is not black. BUT, you did make some valid points. There are some people who only date someone because they are not black. Which I find sad and pathetic for both parties involved. The person is only dating this person for their skin, because they hate themselves so much they think dating someone else would fix the hate they feel for themselves. And the person who accepts this person is only being used and must be insecure. Which is sad. I don't want someone to just date me because I'm a black woman, that's so dang fickle. Forget that!
Xavian Flag post im sure the author of this thread did much more for the black community
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That was a sarcastic dig at me. I'm just asking a question...doesn't mean that I am consumed by this topic, doesn't mean that I'm better than anyone, or whatever that little low-blow comment was suppose to suggest. This is a forum for discussions...some of you are acting like your offended by one thread...get over it, it's just a question, if it offends you...don't bother commenting. ====
that's funny... just like u are allowed to ask these stupid *** questions... he's allowed to draw his own conclusions about you... what have you done that can constitute as self love?
@ Rev: which means he wasn't 100% black... but I bet he still loved his mother and didn't view her as a procreation of self hate... really people this topic was incredibly ridiculous... People need to learn to mind their own business...
Who said Malcolm was 100% black?
85% of African Americans have on average between 7% - 15% Caucasian blood in their veins...Some a little more, some a little less...
But we're still black people...
Are you saying that there is no such thing as black people in America because you chose to have children with a black man?
No @ Rev... I'm saying the only thing that should be considered self hate is when people actually say or do hateful things against their own... Like you saying that Char has no idea what it's like to be a Black American b/c she's from Cameroon, but turns out u are of the same desent as her... To me THAT constitutes as self-hate
this sissy mofo always taking threads left. how u questioning anyone's blackness when u ur self has admitted to being half Scottish? answer that u ***
Rev_Billybob Flag post ***
Just because you dont want black people to be racially aware doesnt mean we cant discuss the pro's and con's of race mixing...
Are you a black man?
No @ Rev... I'm saying the only thing that should be considered self hate is when people actually say or do hateful things against their own... Like you saying that Char has no idea what it's like to be a Black American b/c she's from Cameroon, but turns out u are of the same desent as her... To me THAT constitutes as self-hate
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Smiley
Well, its obvious you dont care about or have a stake in black people preserving our racial idenity...
But why are you so concerned about those of us that do? Do we stop you from dating whom you want to date?
Why are you and those like you proselytzing as if you are selling Watchtowers?
If its not about race then why are you discussing race here? Arent you colorblind?
**My Opinion**
TO EACH IS OWN...U LIKE IT, I LOVE IT
PPL need to spot worry'*** bout other ppl's personal business and TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THERE ON BUSINESS AND ACTIONS...what the next man or woman does in their private life and whom they choose to do it with, has nothing to do with the next man or woman. I personally don’t think it's SELF-HATE or RACISM...it's call FREEDOM OF CHOICE!
EVERYBODY HAS THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE WHO THEY WANT AS A MATE....BLACK, WHITE, HISPANIC, ASIAN, RED, GREEN, OR PURPLE.....IT'S THAT INDIVIDUALS CHOICE AND NOT YOUR ON PERSONAL CONCERN!
Smiley
Well, its obvious you dont care about or have a stake in black people preserving our racial idenity...
But why are you so concerned about those of us that do? Do we stop you from dating whom you want to date?
Why are you and those like you proselytzing as if you are selling Watchtowers?
If its not about race then why are you discussing race here? Arent you colorblind?
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ALL I HEAR IS CHARLIE BROWN'S TEACHER!
YOU ARE A ENORMOUS HYPOCRITE!!! AND EVERY SINGLE THING YOU SAY IS FULL OF SELF HATRED!!! Kiss my arse u scottish ***!
I never understood why people who want to engage in interracial relationships are always proselytzing and trying to convince black people who have no interest in doing it..
Why dont you go to a white website and convince them to date interracially.
Go to an Irish website An Italian website A Polish American website A jewish website A Russian Aemrican website A Korean American website
and convince those people to date out of their ethnic group...
Wouldnt that be a nice change of pace? Why do you people always focus on black people? What is special about us that we get so much of this concentrated effort?
Spread the wealth.
Smiley
Well, its obvious you dont care about or have a stake in black people preserving our racial idenity...
But why are you so concerned about those of us that do? Do we stop you from dating whom you want to date?
Why are you and those like you proselytzing as if you are selling Watchtowers?
If its not about race then why are you discussing race here? Arent you colorblind?
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ALL I HEAR IS CHARLIE BROWN'S TEACHER!
YOU ARE A ENORMOUS HYPOCRITE!!! AND EVERY SINGLE THING YOU SAY IS FULL OF SELF HATRED!!! Kiss my arse u scottish ***!
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Smiley,
Ok, then invite you to go to a Scottish website and proselytze them about the pro's of dating black men...See what they have for you for a change.
Dont you want to change the minds of your people before you change the minds of my people?
And no, I wont kiss your arse. white folks carry lice.
@ Rev: why would I do that... I'm not Scottish nor am do I have any family that is scottish... therefore ur statement is silly!!! Like I said those that carry self hate tend to be the ones that always try to prove something... for instance... u being a member of the "conscious crew" to make urself feel better aboout being biracial... there's nothing wrong with it, so suck that *** up and stop trying to prove what u mean to the world...
Rev_Billybob Flag post And when I say white folks carry lice, I INCLUDE oh8seven...LOL
Good *** folks.
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so, ur including yourself as well?
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hell no...Im overwhelmingly blackamoor. I did my DNA analysis and I am genetically qualified and Im wise enough to not dilute my seed by sleeping with the enemy....
@ poster: BTW... I know u aren't answering me b/c I have a valid point... why is it the references that u use r black men and white women? Just saying... ur making ur self look guilty and bitter.
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You can believe what you want. I'm going to say this one last time. This thread is about ALL interaciall relationships. And second, NOTHING you said was valid. Answer me this, why are you still here if this is a "stupid azz thread" and the subject is "juvenile"?
ok this is what i'd want to know before i go!! why do only blackmen are called sellout when some of everybody else is doing the samething huh??? and why do we have to be the only ones who or weak for doing so when other races do it as well???? let not talk about that *** b/s y'all call us when we dates out.....just saying......
AGAIN...
Xavian Flag post im sure the author of this thread did much more for the black community
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That was a sarcastic dig at me. I'm just asking a question...doesn't mean that I am consumed by this topic, doesn't mean that I'm better than anyone, or whatever that little low-blow comment was suppose to suggest. This is a forum for discussions...some of you are acting like your offended by one thread...get over it, it's just a question, if it offends you...don't bother commenting. ====
that's funny... just like u are allowed to ask these stupid *** questions... he's allowed to draw his own conclusions about you... what have you done that can constitute as self love?
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If its a stupid azz question, why are you all over it? You posted more comments than anyone else on MTO...
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Also realize when you mock an African American who has white blood in their veins you are more time than not mocking their great grand-mothers who were raped and molested by YOUR PEOPLE as young women and most times LITTLE GIRLS...
For you to dismiss that as something to joke about and laugh about is not only demeaning but hateful.
Those were not examples, those were ANSWERS to bklynkey718 QUESTIONS. He asked me about black men (thurgood and james)and their interacially relationships....
Your a girl of valid points...so me the examples...that wasn't a response to someone's question. Because, If I just came in and said "black men this and black men that" THEN you would finally have a valid point. SHOW ME.
If someone would of asked me about any specific relationship regarding black women dating outside the race, I would have responded at the time, but like I said, this thread is not about a specific interracially relationship so I’m not going to respond (anymore)….this is about …I already said what this thread is about. Tired of repeating myself.
Remember this....
smileygirl Flag post @ Xavian... I have to disagree... so what about asian women dating white men... or white women dating latino men, etc.... is it self hatred then? --------------- I don‘t know what ur talkin bout
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Xavian Flag post I never singled out a certain combination of self-hating interracial daters...so, yeah, Asian, whites, and blacks, everyone included.
U CANT EVEN SAY THAT THATS BEIN RACIST OR HATIN YOURSELF BLAH BLAH BLAH *** IT IF U *** WIT SOMEBODY *** IN THE MEANTIME YALL START LIKIN EACH OTHER U AINT GONE GIVE A *** WUT COLOR THEY IS THATS LIKE LISA RAYE DATIN FLAVOR FLAV U GOTTA REALLY BE IN LOVE TO DATE THAT *** BUT IF SHE WAS TO U SAYIN SHE WOULD DATE HIM CUZ SHE DONT LIKE HER SELF OR HER SHE RACIST GET THE *** OUTA HERE
you have yet to prove your point that this is about ALL IRR... I think u have a hidden agenda... b/c the only things yoou've said yes to about being self hate is black men and white women.... u said yes to all of Bklynkey's examples... but u didn't answer any of my examples... hmm... again, that's odd
u said yes to all of Bklynkey's examples... but u didn't answer any of my examples
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Oh, I didn't?
what do you call this...
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smileygirl Flag post @ Xavian... I have to disagree... so what about asian women dating white men... or white women dating latino men, etc.... is it self hatred then?
Xavian Flag post I never singled out a certain combination of self-hating interracial daters...so, yeah, Asian, whites, and blacks, everyone included.
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Lol, had to post that.
I see someone said if you start liking someone you can't help it - the thing is most of us control who we like or keep from being in a situation where one could potentially "fall in like" outside my race. Personally I need to relate to my man in EVERY way and coming home talking about the racist jerks on the job to a white man ain't gonna cut it.
exactly, how are you going to relay to a white wife or husband what the day to day struggle is like of dealing in a cold racist white ruled country.
They wont be able to relate to what black people experience and if they are raising your half white children, the children are going to grow up confused.
Now if everyone in the houseold decides to pretend that racism and racial discrimination doesnt exist there can be some level of ignorant bliss enjoyed , most likely in some level of pharmeceutically assisted sub reality.
No one is of 100% ethnicity. That's just the facts. We joke and say that white gurl gotta fat *** she gotta lil black *** her. The possibility is very real .same for the occasional black girl wit the flat *** she could have european genes.
If a tribe left africa due to drought and famin they'd be in the middle east they'd procreate and the same cycle will occur the africanmideastern tribe would move through either asia or europe.
Now with that being said we all originate from 1 point of orgin....from africa we branched out to Middle east. Australia to asia ,india and europe to every continent. every1 came from 1 place. Features changed over time. Its all relative she may be white she maybe be a rican she maybe ..but it came from africa and so did i... so to ask is interracial dating racsism or self hate in my opinion no its not self hate . in my opinion I think the racsism is the fact that people think its wrong . For people to think something is wrong with a mixed couple is racsism in it self. That is self hate.
They have very accurate DNA TESTS now.
For a very reasonable cost you can find out exactlty what African ethnic group(s) you are from and exactly the percentage of racial admixture...
African Caucasian Native American Asian
and they'll break it down to specific percentages...Im happy I did it , and it makes a great gift for the children because they dont have to do it also.(At least on the patrilineal side)
Just because someone like spanish chicks, and they themselves aint spanish dont mean they hate their own race.
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Racism. That makes them racist...
Thinking that spanish women are superior is racism. And like a lot of people who date interacially, since they are dating soley on looks, they are dating them because their find their looks / race superior over others. RACISM.
Had to say it again. You're ignorant FendiVuitton.
Ransomed Flag post I see someone said if you start liking someone you can't help it - the thing is most of us control who we like or keep from being in a situation where one could potentially "fall in like" outside my race. Personally I need to relate to my man in EVERY way and coming home talking about the racist jerks on the job to a white man ain't gonna cut it.
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Exactly
But x u don't know your grands greatgrands history. U are black perhaps in complexion okay. But dna may tell a diff story. Tiger woods looks black to but don't look at his black daddy or his black grandparents. It may look to be 1 thing and is completly a diffrent story.
I'm jus sayin we all came from the same place africa. And to think that something is wrong with interacial dating is self hate. Don't miss what I'm saying we all same from africa so it is self hate to smdh at a mixed couple. Regaurdless ofbhow light she is or how curly her hair is... she might just be a lightskin sister bought up in peurtorico or a light sister from the suburbs. Somewhere in her dna she's come out of africa and so did I. And I don't mind if she wit someone as light as she is or dark as wesley. Asian and white man came outta africa its self hate to point my finger at that. I might hate if she bad and I can't have her like I hate that whit man that knocked halle up cuz she fine. Not cuz he's white.
my father is mixed my mother was mixed... I have irish european and native american genes from my african american father. And native american nd african from my african american mother. I'm not black I'm a red brown complexion. I'm not confined by or defined by titles or labels. If I was wesley snipes id be black! But I'm not.
The question isn't my ethnicity its about the self hate u have within for of mixed couples.
xavien when you put it THAT way it s way different. But lets be real, how many people do you know that say I only date so and so because their better. That ignant' little part of society is so insignificant the rest of us. People who date other races because they apeal to them are NOT racist .People who strictly date outside of their race and blame it on stereotypical factors ex. ( their better looking, nicer), then thats RASCIST and can be considered self hate.
People who strictly date outside of their race and blame it on stereotypical factors ex. ( their better looking, nicer), then thats RASCIST and can be considered self hate.
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Why else would someone only date Spanish chicks if they don't find them to be the most attractive? They obviously find them to be the most attractive, that’s why they only date them.
I didnt say only spanish chicks..derr
I was giving an example of someone dating outside of their race, doesnt have to be strictly.
People can date outside of their race without being racist. Like ***, youve never seen someone who wasnt apart of your race whom you thought was attractive. Its the same concept. People cannot help who they are attracted to. They simply cannot. Do not even try to debate this with me, because you WILL lose.
and if you read my recent post you would of read that I said when someone dates someone strictly because of their race...it is indeed racist. But you are touching upon a very broad topic. If you want to make a point, you must make yourself clear in what it is exactly you are talking about. Dating outide of your race is NOT racist.
I didn't say you were only talking about Spanish chicks, I'm using your example wile explaining myself, is that okay? And we can debate this, because just like Ransomed said earlier...
“I see someone said if you start liking someone you can't help it - the thing is most of us control who we like or keep from being in a situation where one could potentially "fall in like" outside my race.”
In that case you cant really determine because someone who dates only spanish people and they themselves are not spanish, it may not be racist but simply an issue of preference. Maybe their afraid of stepping out of their comfort zone, they dont nessasarily have to own ill will towards their own race.
You xavian are not worthy of this debate. You have absolutley nothing to back your ridiculous theory with.Preference has everything to do with this situation. How else are people attracted to other people? Preference. If I like the exotic, spanish look, is that racist? No its preference. And you still have yet to answer my question. As a black woman, am I racist because I find some white guys attractive?
Its not racist to prefer a look over another. People cannot help what they are attracted to. Get it together xavian. Your twisting my words around.If I said I only like italian guys because they look best, thats rascist. Being attracted to someone who happens to be apart of another race is not racist. Afterall it doesnt mean I dont like my own race. It just means I am open minded, something of which you lack.
Seee, you not reading my post. I JUST SAID IT DOESNT MEAN I DONT FIND MY PEOPLE ATTRACTIVE. I AM OPEN MINDED. NICCA IT IS 2010, ITS NO LONGER ABOUT RACE. YOUR TALKING OUT OF YOUR AZZ. YOU CHANGED THE TOPIC FORM INTERACIAL DATING TO STRICTLY INTERACIAL DATING. THATS WHY YOUR NOT WORTH DEBATING WITH... DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT IT IS YOUR DABATING ABOUT. YOUR THREAD SAYS ONE AND YOUR POSTS SAY ANOTHA..BYE IM GONE. IM LOSING BRAIN CELLS TALKING TO YOU.
NICCA PLEASE> FALL BACK? WHO THE HELL IS YOU, WITH YOUR BOGUS AZZ THREADS. IF YOUR GONNA DEBATE YOU GOTTTA KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKIN ABOUT. FIRST YO AZZ WAS TALKIN ABOUT THE GENERAL CONCEPT OF INTERACIAL DATING AND THEN YO AZZ CHANGES IT UP TO STRICTLY DATING OUTSIDE OF YOUR RACE. WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO PROVE? THAT ALL OF AMERICA IS RACIST? YOUR TRYNA TELL ME YOUVE NEVER FOUND A WOMAN OUTSIDE OF YOUR RACE ATTRACTIVE? YOU REALLY NEED TO GET OUT MORE OFTEN.
Xavian I'm a male first off. I'm mixed according to my B. cert. which simply says my mom was african am. and my dad was nat. am/ african am. So yeah I'm black. LOL
I accept the definition of the term race which basically seperates us as a people according to the colour of our skin and our cultural and ethical backgrounds. If we are speaking on the issue of having pride as a people and keeping everything in house then i can see the point of the arguement. But to simply single out individuals based upon preference and label it as self hate is kind of a stretch. There are those that have literally stated that they do not want to date their own. On this I say yes there is a problem. However is this a simple black and white issue or are we talking across the spectrum? What if I want to date a puerto rican, a jamacian, a panamanian, italian, mexican..see what I'm saying?
How is it racist? –noun 1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others. 2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination. 3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.
Who are you being racist against if you are dating outside of your own?
I like this definition better..it's from the same websit you got the other ones from...
The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
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You're being racist in general, if you find that one race to be better than others, therefore superior.
I think it depends solely on the motive behind the decision. Again if you have individuals that are bold enough to say they will not date within their own ethnic background then by all means they could be conscrued as being racist. Yet it still that's their choice. *** em'! But again I ask does this extend across the spectrum? What about straight *** other ethnic females? Does the same rule still apply?
I'mma give it to ya straight.
Back then in my day, I was wild-- as were the rest of the black males in highschool I grew up with.
We fxcked anything that moved PLUS more.
Now one thing, brothers RARELY TALKED about getting with was White women. Latinas/P.R.'s/dominicans/Hispanics or Asian women-- HELL YEAH. Indian/Arab women were unheard of back then.
But MAKE NO MISTAKE, if we met a BAD white girl who was down to beat, we be in the bathroom stalls in a MILLISECOND.
In ***, truthfully most unconscious black people dont *** up/date other races STRICTLY out of some form of self-hatred, hell they just fxck to... well... FXCK. Truth be told-- its only natural that one would find other races attractive along with your own growing up in multi-cultural society. But when you become conscious and you realize what the WHOLE historical racial system over the past 3000 years has been about. THATS when you peep game.
And thats the difference.
I've never been in ANY type of relationship-- sexually,intimate, real, or friendly-- with a WHITE woman before.
But I REMEMBER How I used to think in Highschool. IF the bxtch was BAD, then she could get it. That went for black, asian, latina and the occasional white girl.
Most black men I know keep their distance from white girls though. Black men may LOOOVVE them some puzzy but they aint no FOOLS now. We know our history and all the times white girls called out fake rape charges on us. Even when the white chick is bad, most brothas are COGNIZANT of racial *** like that and most of us know to keep our distance.
At one point in my life I felt there was no real difference in dating outside my race. I thought I was not a part of slavery and neither were the "white" folks that are here now.
As I got older and saw more and now understand the formula in this world which is Everyone+Everyone+Teamwork= Keep the black race down and get rich while doing so.
Now I cannot stand the thought of a white man touching me EVER! My eyes have been open to their hate to us! I do not look down or judge those that date YT I just know I can NEVER, because while there are some good ones there are a whole lot of evil ones and I have no way to seperate them =(
lol, what the fu-ck are you talking about? Clearly, you have some personal issues and your venting through idiotic opinions. You asked a question, answered it, then asked the same question.....Just because someone dates outside of their race does not mean they only did it because the person they're dating is of a different skin color. If that's all you look for when you do date and fall in love there is probably a reason behind your stupid ideas anyway. No matter what color their skin is, I don't have to hate my own race to date outside of it. Also, you're either a bi-tch who is upset because you can't find a somebody within your own race, or a man with the same quality.
OSCAH YOU USED TO *** WHITE WOMEN???? DUDE REALLY???... OKAY WE CALLED A TRUCE.
I CAN JUST TELL, YOU WHAT I'VE SEEN PERSONALLY AS A PERSON WHO'S BEEN ON THIS EARTH AWHILE,TRAVELED TO OTHER COUNTRIES AND LIVED IN 5 STATES.
THERE ARE ALWAYS BLACK PEOPLE WHO HATE THEIR OWN SKIN AND SADLY IT'S OFTEN DARK SKINNED BLACKS I HAVE TO AGREE WITH RANSOMED ON THAT.
BUT IT SEEMS BLACK WOMEN CHOOSE THEIR PARTNERS MORE OUT OF LOVE THAN BLACK MEN. YEAH THERE ARE SOME IDIOTS WHO DON'T SEEM TO REALIZE THAT A MIXED CHILD IS NOT GUARANTEED TO BE LIGHT WITH SOFT HAIR AND THAT YOU CAN MARRY A BLACK MAN FOR THAT.
BUT THE BLACK MEN I SEE WITH NON-BLACK ESPECIALLY WHITE WOMEN TREAT THEM LIKE DIRT. THEY CHEAT ON THEM,BEAT THEM DISRESPECT THEM AND VERY OFTEN LEAVE THEM WITH A KID OR TWO AFTER NEVER HAVING MARRIED THEM.
I MEAN DO I HAVE TO EVEN BRING UP TIGER WOODS? ALL I CAN SAY ABOUT HIM IS TYPICAL. AND IF HE WASN'T RICH SHE'D BE IN THE SAME BOAT AS MOST OF THE WHITE WOMEN I KNOW WHO WERE IN RELATIONSHIPS WITH BLACK MEN.
NO OFFENSE TO SMILEY OR FFM WHO I THINK ARE MARRIED RIGHT?BUT KZ3 WHY HASN'T YOUR GUY MARRIED YOU? YOU GUYS LOOK LIKE ADULTS TO ME.
I ALSO HAVE NEVER FIGURED OUT WHY SO MANY BLACK MEN GO FOR THE UGLIEST WHITE WOMEN THEY CAN FIND? THEY ARE OBVIOUSLY USING THESE WOMEN AND I THINK IT'S *** UP.
IF I WERE A WHITE WOMAN, I'D NEVER WANT A BLACK MAN BECAUSE FRANKLY I THINK MOST OF THEM WHO DATE WHITE WOMEN HAVE ULTERIOR MOTIVES. IT'S NOT ABOUT LOVE.
Xavian Flag post djenx Flag post well white girls are the prised possession in society, so you always go for the gold
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Interacial daters feel that they are dating the best (for them) and the best not being in within their own race...racism...how is it not?
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CTFU... Yea, b/c you know how everyone feels.... LMAO... You are an idiot! Apparently you've supposedly never been in one, so how do you know how these people feel?
CARMEL777 OSCAH YOU USED TO *** WHITE WOMEN???? DUDE REALLY???... OKAY WE CALLED A TRUCE.
I CAN JUST TELL, YOU WHAT I'VE SEEN PERSONALLY AS A PERSON WHO'S BEEN ON THIS EARTH AWHILE,TRAVELED TO OTHER COUNTRIES AND LIVED IN 5 STATES.
THERE ARE ALWAYS BLACK PEOPLE WHO HATE THEIR OWN SKIN AND SADLY IT'S OFTEN DARK SKINNED BLACKS I HAVE TO AGREE WITH RANSOMED ON THAT.
BUT IT SEEMS BLACK WOMEN CHOOSE THEIR PARTNERS MORE OUT OF LOVE THAN BLACK MEN. YEAH THERE ARE SOME IDIOTS WHO DON'T SEEM TO REALIZE THAT A MIXED CHILD IS NOT GUARANTEED TO BE LIGHT WITH SOFT HAIR AND THAT YOU CAN MARRY A BLACK MAN FOR THAT.
BUT THE BLACK MEN I SEE WITH NON-BLACK ESPECIALLY WHITE WOMEN TREAT THEM LIKE DIRT. THEY CHEAT ON THEM,BEAT THEM DISRESPECT THEM AND VERY OFTEN LEAVE THEM WITH A KID OR TWO AFTER NEVER HAVING MARRIED THEM.
I MEAN DO I HAVE TO EVEN BRING UP TIGER WOODS? ALL I CAN SAY ABOUT HIM IS TYPICAL. AND IF HE WASN'T RICH SHE'D BE IN THE SAME BOAT AS MOST OF THE WHITE WOMEN I KNOW WHO WERE IN RELATIONSHIPS WITH BLACK MEN.
NO OFFENSE TO SMILEY OR FFM WHO I THINK ARE MARRIED RIGHT?BUT KZ3 WHY HASN'T YOUR GUY MARRIED YOU? YOU GUYS LOOK LIKE ADULTS TO ME.
I ALSO HAVE NEVER FIGURED OUT WHY SO MANY BLACK MEN GO FOR THE UGLIEST WHITE WOMEN THEY CAN FIND? THEY ARE OBVIOUSLY USING THESE WOMEN AND I THINK IT'S *** UP.
IF I WERE A WHITE WOMAN, I'D NEVER WANT A BLACK MAN BECAUSE FRANKLY I THINK MOST OF THEM WHO DATE WHITE WOMEN HAVE ULTERIOR MOTIVES. IT'S NOT ABOUT LOVE. -----------------------------------------
No, I never dated one. As my second post states.
And secondly, I concur that women CHOOSE partners BASED on LOVE, while MEN choose partners based on *** and THATS it.
Sae with white men. They get with sistas, get them pregnant, leave them and walk around embarassed with the half-black child that they feel they are CURSED for the rest of their lives walking around with.
Men from Mars, Women from Venus.
CTFU... Yea, b/c you know how everyone feels.... LMAO... You are an idiot! Apparently you've supposedly never been in one, so how do you know how these people feel?
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I can tell you are a white girl...makes sense now, so thats why you cant stay away from my "stupid azz thread" because you are bitter. Yeah, someone was starting to sound bitter...it was you!
Not at all. This has nothing to do with black men dating interracially like some girl suggested earlier and this have nothing to do with me hating white people
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CTFU!!!! THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR PROVING ME RIGHT ABOUT YOU AND THIS THREAD... I THOUGHT IT WAS ABOUT ALL IRR.. LMAO
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Wrong. You was never proved right about anything. We it came time for you to back up your claims...you throw insults "oh your acting like a child" then ran away. Please. I see now why you WANTED this thread to be about black men, because you probably have inner guilt about bouncing on black ***?? Sorry you took it so personal.!
Everyone else...I went at it with simple-minded fools yesterday for too long. I'm not going at it again. No one was able to explain how IRR is not self-hate and racism. All people did was attack me, which was the easiest thing to do...next time I'll know not to get involved with this mess again. I'll post more threads...but, never again will I respond the way I did. My opinion stays the same and I'm good. Bye. Smiley...eat ***, because I know you'll respond to this with "ctfu, blah blah" when we all know...you're hurting in side. Aw, too bad. PEACE!
