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LIVE FOR GOD NOT SATEN!! JESUS IS COMING SOON REPENT!! Accept Jesus now by saying the prayer below from your heart. Confess it with your mouth! You must sincerely mean it, and you have to do your best not to go back to a life of sin! This is very serious and there are grave dangers involved in living a life of sin. You will not only be hurting yourself, but your loved one's as well, not to mention you can still go to hell if you don't live righteously! Praise God for your decision to come to accept Jesus into your heart. Follow the guide below and remember to repent and forgive daily!
This is only a guide so do your best to put it into your own words and pour your heart out to Jesus Christ!
The Sinner's Prayer "Heavenly Father, have mercy on me, a sinner. I believe in you and that your word is true. I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of the living God and that he died on the cross so that I may now have forgiveness for my sins and eternal life. I know that without you in my heart my life is meaningless.
I believe in my heart that you, Lord God, raised Him from the dead. Please Jesus forgive me, for every sin I have ever committed or done in my heart, please Lord Jesus forgive me and come into my heart as my personal Lord and Savior today. I need you to be my Father and my friend.
I give you my life and ask you to take full control from this moment on; I pray this in the name of Jesus Christ."
Amen. (That's That)
Now, Repent And Follow God's Commandments: Luke 10:27 1. Thou *** love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; 2. And thy neighbour as thyself.
The Ten Commandments: Exodus 20:3 1. I am the Lord thy God. Thou *** not have strange gods before me. 2. Thou *** not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain. 3. Remember thou keep the Sabbath Day. 4. Honor thy Father and thy Mother. 5. Thou *** not kill. 6. Thou *** not commit adultery. 7. Thou *** not steal. 8. Thou *** not bear false witness against thy neighbor. 9. Thou *** not covet thy neighbor's wife. 10. Thou *** not covet thy neighbor's goods.
Then Find A Bible teaching Church That you know Gets You Closest To God, and there, you will get baptized!
actually, i'm an atheist, and i don't feel like *** people are "born" ***, just like straight people are not "born" straight. if you take a newborn child and place them in a room with limited human contact aside from attending to their basic survival needs (food, water, cleanliness), after 15 years they won't emerge from the room sexually preferring a certain gender; they wouldn't have had the social interaction and experiences necessary to develop that preference. our friends and families, the media, and our day-to-day life influence our sexual preferences more than you think.
please stop reducing you arguments to straw-man logic when you have no other reasoning for your stance on *** but your "good book."
@strongblack
Is that why you believe what you believe? This is what you were taught as a child? I ask because if you never questioned what you believed or honestly seeked truth, your belief system probably has more to do with geography than anything you consider truth. People rarely deviate from the religious belief system from their childhood. So if you were born in the Middle east or Asia, guess what?
So back to the question. If your belief on the subject matter is based on what the bible says, why do you believe that it (the bible) is infallible?
@strongblack
You studied it? What does that mean exactly? Cause it sounds like you were taught it as a child didn't question it then and now question it even less. Is that correct?
If so that may mean you may (i repeat may) have, like most people, look for things In the bible to strengthen an already established belief system vs looking at it objectively. That is not a put down. I've been there, even though as a child certain things did not make sense, I would still believe the book was infallible. For example the convoluted explanation of the trinity never quite made sense to me.
So back to my question. Can you even put into words why u believe what you believe? I think this is important because if your belief that what someone else is doing or even feeling is immoral is based on what a book says, its reasonable to expect that you should be able to put into words why you believe the book is correct on any issue let alone that one.
Btw. I am not atheist. I am however unaffiliated.
@justtoomuch
What u said made me think about the parable about the 4 blind men holding on to the same elephant. The first holding a leg convinced it was a tree. The second holding the tail convinced it was a rope. The third holding an ear convinced it was a leaf. And the forth holding the trunk convinced it was a snake. Non of them knew it was an elephant.
@ strongblack
If you are unable or more likely unwilling to answer the question posed to you just say so man.
Not sure why you u seemed not to get that I am not an atheist, but ok.
Malcolm did not follow the bible. He followed the Quran thus his view of God was totally different from your view. The topic was not about God. It was about your belief that the bible is 100% true.
Let's try one more time. Why do you believe the bible is infallible?
If you attempt to deflect again I will take that as you being unable to explain it other than "thats how I was raised."
Btw, at one point 95% of the planet believed the sun rotated the earth. 95% of the planet believed the earth was flat. At one point in time if you told people that at some point men would get into metal birds and fly through the air, you would probably be burned at the stake....by the church......
You are basically saying that you do not believe in thinking for yourself. Fortunately for the species sake many men did not think like that because we would still be drawing in caves.
See this is what I love about people who tend to want to bible thump with no prompting whatsoever. They will quote the bible to u, mention Jesus all day and not only want to tell other people what is immoral but influence legislative decisions.
But when push comes to shove and its time to show some substance or character behind that preaching, most come off severely lacking. They seem to miss the most essential point of religion, which is that it should actually make you a better person. Instead most allow what they believe to marely strengthen their egos.
This dude started this thread to tell other people that what they feel is wrong because he read it in a book that a percentage of the planet believes is infallible. How pathetic is that? A book that has been translated and most likely edited who knows how many times and is supposedly exactly the same even though some languages have words for things that other languages don't have words for. A book whose main subject appeals to the intellect by performing miracles that people had to see with their own eyes but for what ever reason using that intellect now to objectively evaluate said book is not so important.
If something is perfect, nothing imperfect can come from it. Someone once said that bad fruit cannot come from a good tree, and yet this "perfect" God created a "perfect" universe which was rendered imperfect by the "perfect" humans. The ultimate source of imperfection is God. What is perfect cannot become imperfect, so humans must have been created imperfect. What is perfect cannot create anything imperfect, so God must be imperfect to have created these imperfect humans. A perfect God who creates imperfect humans is impossible.
@Bubbaluscious i love your god logic. : )
personally, i view christians as extremely and perversely self-centered. atheists like me invalidate their whole religious "faith" because we have a higher level of self-knowledge, which enables us to interact with the world and with life very well. christians just...don't. and that's exactly why they need the crutch of religion to justify and validate everything they do with their day-to-day lives and they had to create a magical god who is supposedly ENTHRALLED with their meager existence and wants nothing more than to place them in an alleged paradise after they die. it's their incessant need to BELIEVE there's an outside force responsible for their choices in life, and there just isn't. there really is not, and it's sad so many of them still think there is. there are no angels and there's no bearded man promising you everlasting love and acceptance. there's just you, and when you die, there's just death and i know why the whole "god complex" was created; that thought alone is SCARY as F*CK. that nothing happens after you die and you just...die? that's so anti-climactic it's nicer to imagine there's something waiting for you on the other side depending on the type of life you lead but as you get older and wiser that notion needs to vanish with reason.
maybe christians married too early, maybe they work too hard, maybe they're caught up in trying to impress other people, whatever it is they lack the self-confidence to believe in the power of their own will alone because they haven't spent time digging deep down within themselves enough to know who they REALLY are and what they're capable of without god, because if they did they would know they are in control of their own lives and no one else has any say whatsoever.
@bubbaluscious
I kinda see your logic and its in tune with one of my main issues with the bible when it attributes emotions like anger and jealousy to a supposedly perfect entity. Emotions that humans for the most part consider dysfunctional, we attribute to God. That makes no logical sense to me at all.
Where I kinda disagree is the imperfect human logic. To me the human experience is like a finely tuned machine. Like a car for example. Individually some parts can still serve an obvious purpose and some not so obvious. Some parts propel the car forward in seemingly positive motion and some disrupt the car's motion in a seemingly negative way. When all the parts are working together, each with their own purpose, its a beautiful thing. To me that is the perfection of our existence.
I do not believe the giant man in the sky concept but I definitely believe that something we may never quite be able to wrap our heads around was the catalyst for all this. This is how I think of God. Just like the machines we build that contain parts that are interdependent, the universe seems to be almost "designed" the same way. And it is also not random but predictable to the point that we can manipulate it in our currrent capacity.
So if we make things that are predictable in behavior and the uni erse seems to be predictable in its behavior then one might reason that it was "engineered" to be that way by something.
